Thoughts on Trestman

[January J]

Curious to see how the majority feels about trestman now that he will be running the offense? Optimistic? And how well do you think he will get along with joe and mold with the rest of the players/ coaches? I'm still kind of on the fence- but right now I'm thinkin it could go one of two ways - complete success or complete bust. No in between. I can see our offense either taking off and even topping our numbers from last year with kubiak, finally getting joe over 4000 yards, really utilizing marlon in the redzone , and averaging 30 points a game. OR- the offense is a complete dud, drives constantly stall out due to bad playcalling, and trestman never really clicking with joe and there bein kind of an awkwardness there. Not sure what to think- haven't heard much about him or from him since the interview when he first signed on. I never followed the bears much either so not sure what to expect other than the fact hes known for being aggressive. I just hope he's being proactive getting to know the team and what not. Just something to think about during the long and boring drawn out period before the draft. What y'all think?

[hawkprey]

I like Trestman a lot. I think Kubiak was a little too predictable. That's why Houston was all over us. Trestman will get more out of Flacco and the downfield passing (which we for some reason went away from).

[Ravenslifer]

I think he's a good fit given he runs the same system that we did so well in last year.  A lot of people point to his lack of success in Chicago last year, but look at the QB he was working with.  The same think happened to Kubiak when Shaub melted down.  Trestman can call plays, and he did get a lot out of the offense in Chicago when it was given the opportunity to succeed.

[PerpetuallyBored74]

Make of this what you will:

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2015/01/27/baffoe-hey-baltimore-were-trying-to-warn-you-about-marc-trestman/

http://www.reddit.com/r/CHIBears/comments/2odbig/screen_pass_insanity/

 

And for a counterpoint, that also goes in-depth into some of the plays he ran in the CFL:

http://www.windycitygridiron.com/2013/1/16/3885086/bears-playbook-marc-trestmans-passing-west-coast-offense

Edited April 25, 2015 by PerpetuallyBored74

[Sami84]

honestly..Kubiaks better

 

Trestmans had too many seasons where his offense has been diabolical..

 

the same can't be said of kubiak.

 

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/TresMa0.htm

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/KubiGa0.htm

 

its a downgrade and i'm not so sold on us being as good as last year

[Ravens1991]

Make of this what you will:

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2015/01/27/baffoe-hey-baltimore-were-trying-to-warn-you-about-marc-trestman/

http://www.reddit.com/r/CHIBears/comments/2odbig/screen_pass_insanity/

 

And for a counterpoint, that also goes in-depth into some of the plays he ran in the CFL:

http://www.windycitygridiron.com/2013/1/16/3885086/bears-playbook-marc-trestmans-passing-west-coast-offense

 

Fair point in that first article, but the thing is Plummer, Gannon, Cutler all had their best and efficient years under Trestman. Also Flacco pre Trestman resume is worlds better then anything those 3 have done. Im not predicting that Trestman turns Flacco into a 40 TD guy but there is clearly a bias in that first article. 

[January J]

Make of this what you will:

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2015/01/27/baffoe-hey-baltimore-were-trying-to-warn-you-about-marc-trestman/

http://www.reddit.com/r/CHIBears/comments/2odbig/screen_pass_insanity/

And for a counterpoint, that also goes in-depth into some of the plays he ran in the CFL:

http://www.windycitygridiron.com/2013/1/16/3885086/bears-playbook-marc-trestmans-passing-west-coast-offense

Make of this what you will:

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2015/01/27/baffoe-hey-baltimore-were-trying-to-warn-you-about-marc-trestman/

http://www.reddit.com/r/CHIBears/comments/2odbig/screen_pass_insanity/

All I got from that "warning to baltimore " article is that Chicago fans are extremely bitter. They had a sucky team and a sucky quarterback. Just because they haven't been a winning organization in decades they are mad at the world. Yeah , maybe trestman didn't work out as the headcoach there, but fresh starts in new places change things, and most importantly he is not going to be our head coach!! Harbaugh is still leading the charge- and he doesn't let things get to the point of disaster before they fix the leak. Yes trestman is an unorthodox kind of guy who has had mixed results - but given the right environment (which I think is baltimore ) and given an offense that actually has potential he has a real shot to excel. I still can't believe the bears kept the cancer that has been killing them the last few years. Cutler is never going to be a winning quarterback. You can call all the plays in the world but if your qb doesn't know how to read defenses and call audibles you are constantly going to fail. Players have to have faith in the quarterback , and I just don't see any in Chicago. Blame it on trestman all you want , it's easy to pick out one scapegoat when you have 3 dozen problems with your organization from top to bottom. Thanks for the "warning " Chicago - but some organizations aren't incompetent and can handle their own. Baltimores got this.

I do think john fix will do a good Job for them but if they can't move on from cutler they are going to continue being stuck spinning tires.

[Sami84]

Jay Cutler isn't a bad QB..he isn't great but he has shown in the past some pretty good seasons aside from last.

 

there is 1 common denominator in trestmans most successful seasons as OC.Jerry Rice. He also had steve young at QB. I think deep down we all know that Kubiak is the better OC. He has been consistent his entire career.

 

so unless we draft the new jerry rice

Edited April 25, 2015 by Sami84

[Tenacious Faulker]

I like Trestman a lot. I think Kubiak was a little too predictable. That's why Houston was all over us. Trestman will get more out of Flacco and the downfield passing (which we for some reason went away from).

It was predictable to Houston.  What did we expect against a top defense that practices daily against Kuniak's offense?  While it could've gone either way, I'm sure that had he had another crack at his former team while in Bmore he'd have made some adjustments.

[Dubs]

I am optimistic. I think what excites me most is Trestman even if he has a good year or two off the start will likely not be offered a HC spot. So I do like that we have a OC for the long term possibly which allows us to go through growing pains and find our rhythm. Could be like Todd Haley with Pittsburgh, they had a couple growing years and now are built around his get it out quick vision that protects Ben and is extending his career. Our situation is much different but I am excited for long term possibilities.

[Ravenseconbeast]

Make of this what you will:

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2015/01/27/baffoe-hey-baltimore-were-trying-to-warn-you-about-marc-trestman/

http://www.reddit.com/r/CHIBears/comments/2odbig/screen_pass_insanity/

And for a counterpoint, that also goes in-depth into some of the plays he ran in the CFL:

http://www.windycitygridiron.com/2013/1/16/3885086/bears-playbook-marc-trestmans-passing-west-coast-offense

He doesn't seem like a Long term solution.

Been under 17head coaches in under 10years. His stat proves year1 do well and fall off very quickly after.

[Tenacious Faulker]

While I wish that Kubiak was still here, I'm thrilled that they had the opportunity to land Trestman.

 

Make no mistake his version of the run-first, zone-blocking spread offense is virtually identical to Kubiak's.  Even though Trestman said he ISN'T going to be a Kubiak-clone when he was hired, he will run Kubiak's offense pretty closely to last season.  It's like when Caldwell took over and ran Cameron's offense in 2013 - only far, far better.  

 

The Ravens offense had great success in '14 and they are not going to throw it out now that they have some momentum.  The players responded very well to it and it confused/out-maneuvered enough of our opponents to carry a spuddering defense most of the way.  They re-upped Forsett and the receivers they've kept are the ones that execute it very well moving forward. 

 

Trestman has some minor differences to be sure and he'll certainly has a couple different tricks, which will keep opponents guessing.  Just don't expect any wholesale changes - maybe just the slightest.

Edited April 25, 2015 by Tenacious Faulker

[cushrinada1986]

Curious to see how the majority feels about trestman now that he will be running the offense? Optimistic? And how well do you think he will get along with joe and mold with the rest of the players/ coaches? I'm still kind of on the fence- but right now I'm thinkin it could go one of two ways - complete success or complete bust. No in between. I can see our offense either taking off and even topping our numbers from last year with kubiak, finally getting joe over 4000 yards, really utilizing marlon in the redzone , and averaging 30 points a game. OR- the offense is a complete dud, drives constantly stall out due to bad playcalling, and trestman never really clicking with joe and there bein kind of an awkwardness there. Not sure what to think- haven't heard much about him or from him since the interview when he first signed on. I never followed the bears much either so not sure what to expect other than the fact hes known for being aggressive. I just hope he's being proactive getting to know the team and what not. Just something to think about during the long and boring drawn out period before the draft. What y'all think?

I know John said the offense wasnt gonna change much from when Gary was here but that doesnt mean the type of players may not change. I can see us drafting more big bodied receivers like the ones he had back in Chi. we may get a speed guy to stretch the field but I can see us getting a big WR sometime during the draft to go along with Brown, and Aiken.

[jazz1988]

Jay Cutler isn't a bad QB..he isn't great but he has shown in the past some pretty good seasons aside from last.

 

there is 1 common denominator in trestmans most successful seasons as OC.Jerry Rice. He also had steve young at QB. I think deep down we all know that Kubiak is the better OC. He has been consistent his entire career.

 

so unless we draft the new jerry rice

 

Even if Kubiak is the better offensive coodinator it doesn't mean Trestman isn't good. 

[January J]

In the end it's still all up to execution. If we execute properly we willl do just fine. And that's where the bears failed. Too many interceptions, too many mistakes in general. A good qb and a few playmakers can make or break an OC.

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

I just say give the guy a chance he is a proven OC in the NFL cant wait to see him play call our games and slowly add his wrinkles to the Raven play calling...

Edited April 25, 2015 by ALSKAN RAVEN FAN

[hawkprey]

Make of this what you will:

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2015/01/27/baffoe-hey-baltimore-were-trying-to-warn-you-about-marc-trestman/

http://www.reddit.com/r/CHIBears/comments/2odbig/screen_pass_insanity/

 

And for a counterpoint, that also goes in-depth into some of the plays he ran in the CFL:

http://www.windycitygridiron.com/2013/1/16/3885086/bears-playbook-marc-trestmans-passing-west-coast-offense

 

 

Thanks for the links. Another case of fans trying to be loyal to the QB no matter what. Everyone knows Cutler was the problem, Trestman was the scapegoat. 

 

As for the 2nd, everyone already knows the Bears ran so many screen passes because Cutler checks out of the run every chance he gets. (link)

 

Rapoport added that one big problem for Cutler comes in the run game, in which he too often does not check out of bad plays -- a reason for ground issues in Chicago.

There is a serious "frustration" with the way Cutler has played this season, and, according to Rapoport, the team considered benching him during his dismal showing versus the Tampa Bay Buccaneers three weeks ago

 

The Bears were frustrated all right: the problem is they couldn't cut Cutler after that contract and no one would trade for him. So they got rid of the next responsible. Thankfully we have an organization that doesn't kid themselves that way.

Edited April 25, 2015 by hawkprey

[January J]

Thanks for the links. Another case of fans trying to be loyal to the QB no matter what. Everyone knows Cutler was the problem, Trestman was the scapegoat.

As for the 2nd, everyone already knows the Bears ran so many screen passes because Cutler checks out of the run every chance he gets. (link)

The Bears were frustrated all right: the problem is they couldn't cut Cutler after that contract and no one would trade for him. So they got rid of the next responsible. Thankfully we have an organization that doesn't kid themselves that way.

exactly. Give the guy a break and give him a shot. Things happen, but a fresh start with a already successful team can do amazing things.

[Gordo52]

Don't think he'll be as good as Kubiak in year one, but I still think we'll be a very good offense. Getting a playmaker receiver in the draft would certainly help

[Tenacious Faulker]

Thanks for the links. Another case of fans trying to be loyal to the QB no matter what. Everyone knows Cutler was the problem, Trestman was the scapegoat. 

 

As for the 2nd, everyone already knows the Bears ran so many screen passes because Cutler checks out of the run every chance he gets. (link)

 

The Bears were frustrated all right: the problem is they couldn't cut Cutler after that contract and no one would trade for him. So they got rid of the next responsible. Thankfully we have an organization that doesn't kid themselves that way.

The Bears were not going to cut bait on Cutler at that point even if Trestman, the "QB Whisperer" himself, new he was a lost cause. Cutler is petulant and displays poor character under adversity.  A coach needs a willing player that buys into his offense.  Kubiak/Trestman's offense is predicated on run-first between the 20's sprinkled i with short yardage passes and pass-second near the red zone.  By most accounts Cutler wanted to hold onto that "gun-slinger" rep and not follow the game plan.

[Ravenslifer]

Jay Cutler isn't a bad QB..he isn't great but he has shown in the past some pretty good seasons aside from last.

 

there is 1 common denominator in trestmans most successful seasons as OC.Jerry Rice. He also had steve young at QB. I think deep down we all know that Kubiak is the better OC. He has been consistent his entire career.

 

so unless we draft the new jerry rice

 

I have to disagree.  Cutler has exactly 1 4000 yard season under his belt, way back when in Denver with a young Marshall.  During his first 4 (non-Trestman years) in Chicago he was barely a 60% passer who crossed 3500 yards one time and 25 TDs one time.  His two Trestman years his completion percentage in 27 games (missed 5 in 2013) was 64 percent, well above his career average to that point.  His interception percentage was also lower under Trestman than under Lovie Smith, and he missed 4000 yards in 2014 by less than 200 yards while missing a game.  QBR (the real one, not the ESPN psudo-science) is an imperfect stat but it does give a nice summary of an overall performance - Cutler had the highest 2 regular season QBRs of his career under Trestman.  I don't see how you can say Cutler wasn't more successful under Trestman than under Lovie Smith.  The last time Cutler showed as much or more was when he was still under Mike Shannahan.

Edited April 25, 2015 by Ravenslifer

[January J]

The Bears were not going to cut bait on Cutler at that point even if Trestman, the "QB Whisperer" himself, new he was a lost cause. Cutler is petulant and displays poor character under adversity. A coach needs a willing player that buys into his offense. Kubiak/Trestman's offense is predicated on run-first between the 20's sprinkled i with short yardage passes and pass-second near the red zone. By most accounts Cutler wanted to hold onto that "gun-slinger" rep and not follow the game plan.

one thing I do know is that joe and trestman will work together much much better than him and jay. Flacco doesn't get all flustered, he's also modest/ humble and open for new things. But he's also not afraid to speak up if he sees something wrong or if he has an idea. He also knows how to check down if need be. If anything Flacco will help trestman succeed and make him look good, Not the other way around .

[mg90]

This is my biggest question mark. If we had retained Kubiak I'd already have playoffs checked off for this season. With Trestman, I'm hopeful but we won't know until this season gets rolling.

[Bruce_Almty]

It's too early to speculate but if there is a falloff in the offense I expect it will be because of the loss of Torrey and Owen NOT the addition of Marc. I'm not as high on our WR corps as some on this forum are but I'm very interested in watching it play out.

Hoping for a strong draft.

Edited April 25, 2015 by Bruce_Almty

[hawkprey]

It's too early to speculate but if there is a falloff in the offense I expect it will be because of the loss of Torrey and Owen NOT the addition of Marc. I'm not as high on our WR corps as some on this forum are but I'm very interested in watching it play out.

Hoping for a strong draft.

That's funny because I think the offense will improve because of a lack of Torrey and Jacoby. Torrey made plays but most of them were slants against poor CBs or the occasional deep reception despite no separation. Campanaro and Aiken made immediate impacts when they were on the field - Torrey disappeared for weeks at a time.

 

Daniels is okay, but he's kind of "just a guy" at this point.

[The Raven]

I'm still concerned about what Trestman means for the run game, but overall I'm excited to see what he does with our passing game. We have zilch at WR. Let's see what Trestman makes of that

Edited April 25, 2015 by The Raven

[The Mom Gene]

We don't have zilch....  That's kind of an insult to our game and our players in general...  Smith, Aiken, Camp, Brown...  A few of these guys are gonna shine this year...  I agree with some of the other folks on here....  Those guys are looking to break out.

[The Mom Gene]

Jay Cutler isn't a bad QB..he isn't great but he has shown in the past some pretty good seasons aside from last.

 

there is 1 common denominator in trestmans most successful seasons as OC.Jerry Rice. He also had steve young at QB. I think deep down we all know that Kubiak is the better OC. He has been consistent his entire career.

 

so unless we draft the new jerry rice

We do have Joe Flacco....

And we do have Steve Smith....

And we do have a decent running game with Forsett and Talliaferro.

[Tru11]

trestman biggest assest is his ability to call plays that fit his players strength.

 

where other coaches look for players to fit their scheme , he adjust his scheme to the players he has.

 

his problems in chicago where the defense  that could not stop anyone which forced cutler to do to much which he just could not handle.

 

we dont have to worry cause even with issues our defense is 1 of the better units in the league and flacco is capable of carrying a big load when we need to.

 

the only thing that might be an issue with trestman is when he gets away from the run and gets to pass happy.

 

BTW jerry rice had his record breaking season under trestman.

[January J]

trestman biggest assest is his ability to call plays that fit his players strength.

where other coaches look for players to fit their scheme , he adjust his scheme to the players he has.

his problems in chicago where the defense that could not stop anyone which forced cutler to do to much which he just could not handle.

we dont have to worry cause even with issues our defense is 1 of the better units in the league and flacco is capable of carrying a big load when we need to.

the only thing that might be an issue with trestman is when he gets away from the run and gets to pass happy.

BTW jerry rice had his record breaking season under trestman.

I too wonder if he will really stick to the running game and not get too pass happy. He says he knows we are a run first team- let's see if he sticks to his guns even when the tough gets goin and the running game struggles a bit. It's one thing to say what your gonna do.. Edited April 25, 2015 by January J