Free Agency Targets

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

DB's please.

[rmw10]

The cap figure already includes the rollover and ERFAs and rule of 51. The have at least 9.5 million or so to work with before cuts or restructures.

 

It does include the rollover, but not any tenders.  Those guys are not counted in until they actually sign their tenders.  The rule of 51 clearly doesn't apply either because it states that only 41 players are currently on the cap.  We don't have that much to work with once those 2 things are factored in.

[ccflraven]

Lets face we build through the draft and cap casualties when was the last time we signed a big name f.a. the packers do it the same way. with the right coach and qb like ravens the packers and the patriots you can remain competitive year in and year out. on a side note when was the last time a big name wr won a ring.

[ravensnick]

Torrey wants to stay apparently but anything over 3.5mil would leave Torrey laughing to the bank,

torrey is so good at that deep ball and scoring, but his catch rate and desire to fight for the ball is so bad. Sign him to a one year deal and let see if he can do anything while we draft a highly touted rookie for the future. 

[ravensnick]

Would like us to manage to keep Forsett, McPhee. Would like to keep Torrey for the right price but he is not even worth #2 money right now.

 

Smith Sr says he's coming back so that's good.

 

Need to restructure Ngata, too high a cap hit.

McPhee comes before any one else if we can keep him for a good rate. I'd be happy with letting Torrey and Forsett walk and cutting canty if McPhee stays. Ngata is too big a hit to cut but too expensive to not restructure. the ravens can likely use that suspension against him in negotiations, as well as BWIlls and jernigans performances.

Edited January 11, 2015 by ravensnick

[ravensnick]

Don't forget 6 mil rollover. So if over the cap is right we have 15 mil of space. Ngata won't be back at that price so we will get some more savings there depending on if he is restructured and extended or cut.

So we should be ok to fill up most of our holes before the draft like normally.

Just hope we can get McPhee. Would love justin tucker and Jimmy Smith extensions as well to lock them up. Yanda could also be extended lowering his cap. Make him a lifer.

That's pretty much the dream scenario.

[Gordo52]

What are you even talking about...

Lmao

[Gordo52]

That's pretty much the dream scenario.

Yup. Absolutely dream scenerio.

It's so tough for me with Jimmy's injury history to put a number on what he's worth. He's developed into a #1 CB, but just hasn't proven he can stay healthy yet.

[ravensnick]

Yup. Absolutely dream scenerio.

It's so tough for me with Jimmy's injury history to put a number on what he's worth. He's developed into a #1 CB, but just hasn't proven he can stay healthy yet.

True. We have him under contract rn. We either extend him "cheap" (compared to if he has a great year and we have to pay him after the season) and risk injuries, or don't extend him and risk him being too expensive after the season. Webb showed us the error of the first way but I'd being willing to risk it for someone of Jimmy's caliber.

Edited January 12, 2015 by ravensnick

[JO_75]

Torrey wants to stay apparently but anything over 3.5mil would leave Torrey laughing to the bank,

 

I was just about to post this, I'm not against keeping Torrey just as long as it's a team friendly deal. 

 

 

 

"It's more like home now," Smith said Sunday as the Ravens cleaned out their lockers following a 35-31 AFC divisional round playoff loss Saturday to the New England Patriots at Gillette Stadium. "It's kind of tough to leave home at times. I genuinely love the people here, from the owner to everyone who makes this building go. I really love being here."

 

I would love to see Torrey play his entire Football career(College and Pro) in Maryland, but if he wants too much money he's gone. Forsett meanwhile, it seems he wants the money.

 

 

 

"These guys are familiar with me and they gave me my first real shot, but there's also a business side of it where unfortunately I've been in the friend zone for most of my career," said Forsett, who rushed for 129 yards on 24 carries against the Patriots and scored on a 16-yard touchdown reception. "Hopefully, we can get into a deeper commitment down the road and get some stability."

 

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/ravens-insider/bal-torrey-smith-hopes-to-sign-contract-with-ravens-before-free-agency-forsett-eyes-deeper-commitment-20150111-story.html

[PurpleCity5]

torrey is so good at that deep ball and scoring, but his catch rate and desire to fight for the ball is so bad. Sign him to a one year deal and let see if he can do anything while we draft a highly touted rookie for the future. 

The one year deal thing has it's advantages but it also has it's risks. Jeremy Maclin and Hakeem Nicks both did one year deals. Maclin signed the deal and now he's going to get paid big time in the market with an explosive season. Nicks, is pretty unlucky and has seen himself drop in the depth chart, now his next contract won't be so nice.

 

Torrey can either bet on himself like Maclin and have an explosive season, or see it fall apart like Nicks. 1YR deal thing is pretty risky and I wouldn't be surprised if Torrey isn't down for it. 

[ravensdfan]

McPhee comes before any one else if we can keep him for a good rate. I'd be happy with letting Torrey and Forsett walk and cutting canty if McPhee stays. Ngata is too big a hit to cut but too expensive to not restructure. the ravens can likely use that suspension against him in negotiations, as well as BWIlls and jernigans performances.

Yes McPhee is a priority to me as well.

 

I'm not sure I want Forsett to walk as long as he's reasonable on the money end. Not all that confident in what we have in that department right now if he goes.

[Florida Ravens Fan]

We have to try and keep Forsett, pierce sucks and the other guys haven't proved themselves.

[balfan23]

Yup. Absolutely dream scenerio.

It's so tough for me with Jimmy's injury history to put a number on what he's worth. He's developed into a #1 CB, but just hasn't proven he can stay healthy yet.

I really have a feeling that Jimmy is going to play through his contract year to re-prove himself and will not cut a deal during the off-season. I just think he's going to "gamble on himself". 

[Sami84]

Is be careful giving forsett a biggish deal..hes 30..we sometimes need to look at the big picture..its sad cos justin has been awesome,,but our cap situation is not awesome and its due overpaying for guys who are not producing at the level there money would ask for.

[ravensnick]

Yes McPhee is a priority to me as well.

 

I'm not sure I want Forsett to walk as long as he's reasonable on the money end. Not all that confident in what we have in that department right now if he goes.

Draft is very RB heavy. that's the only reason why.

[ravensnick]

Is be careful giving forsett a biggish deal..hes 30..we sometimes need to look at the big picture..its sad cos justin has been awesome,,but our cap situation is not awesome and its due overpaying for guys who are not producing at the level there money would ask for.

He also has almost no work on his body. probably comparable to a 2nd or 3rd year player in work load.

[ravensnick]

The one year deal thing has it's advantages but it also has it's risks. Jeremy Maclin and Hakeem Nicks both did one year deals. Maclin signed the deal and now he's going to get paid big time in the market with an explosive season. Nicks, is pretty unlucky and has seen himself drop in the depth chart, now his next contract won't be so nice.

 

Torrey can either bet on himself like Maclin and have an explosive season, or see it fall apart like Nicks. 1YR deal thing is pretty risky and I wouldn't be surprised if Torrey isn't down for it. 

If Torrey wants to come back, that's the only deal I'd give him.

[GrimCoconut]

That cap space will go quickly though.  We only have 41 guys on the roster right now.  Once you add in our ERFA tenders and RFA tenders/extension to Tucker and Hill, you're looking at nearly $8M of that gone already.  Still need to save room for re-signings, rookie pool, and all that jazz as well.

I think it would be extremely wise of the Ravens to make the following moves IMO: 

 

1. Extend Justin Tucker: this is preferable to a tender because as you know, the tender could be around $3M this year, depending on the round we use. I'd assume a 2nd round tender, but that increases practically every year. I think if we extend him, we could give him a modest base this year of around 1M and give him another 1M from his signing bonus and spread the rest over the course of the deal. 
2. I'd tender Hill because I don't think there's a large enough sample size with this team to justify an extension. 
3. I'd cut McClellan because he saves a decent amount and we have shown to be adept at developing LBs and we have Orr, who has been a quality LB on ST albeit he has had his own ST penalties. McClellan has had penalties as well, but Orr is younger and cheaper. 
4. I'd cut Ngata if we can't extend him, which I think is likely. I also think Ozzie will try to pull a 2013 and 2014 and rely on the depth behind him to replace his production. We failed to do it in 2013 but succeeded in 2014. So, who knows but I think it is a very likely option. 
5. I'd retire/cut Canty if he doesn't himself. 
6. I'd keep Koch and let him play out his deal and try to give him push from an UDFA P like Tucker before him. 
7. I'd extend Yanda and reduce his cap hit some and try to spread it out over the course of his remaining years. 
8. I'd cut Jones because I think his production is limited by his roster spot and his linearity. He's a waste of a roster spot because he adds nothing beyond RS. 
9. I'd extend Torrey with a modest deal. I think it's worth giving him $3-4.5M max, though not a lot guaranteed because he frankly hasn't truly earned it. I think Kubiak makes the ultimate call on Torrey Smith, TBH. 
10. I'd re-sign Daniels on another one-year deal (or give him a Jacoby Jones deal)
11. I'd try to re-sign Forsett to a deal similar to the one proposed for Daniels. 

That would greatly help improve our cap, to permit us to go after some free agents. 

1. I would then use the money freed up from Ngata to sign Redding, who I really believe will help this team from a leadership perspective on the DL to coach up our young DL prospects. He won't be expensive either. He should come cheap since he's up there in age. 
2.  If we can't keep Daniels, I'd make a play at Virgil Green. I really think he's an underrated TE who would do great here. Give him a one-year deal, even. I think he would be motivated by what Kubiak does for TEs and to have Joe throw him the ball. I doubt he'll be pricey.
3. I'd sign Rahim Moore to play FS, eliminating a need for us on the back-end. This would allow us to improve our communication. I'd really like to sign McCourty but that'll never happen for many reasons. I also doubt Moore has the price tag of other players, and I think he could come very cheap relatively speaking. He's got a knack for INTs and his play with Hill would make a great secondary. Yes, it makes it tough on Brooks and Elam, but then that's not a bad thing. We can also always run a heavy safety set, with 3 DBs back there. The difference between this year and this proposed one is that we would have two really capable safeties in Hill and Moore.

This would mean we would give Torrey Smith, Yanda, Tucker, Daniels and Forsett extensions. We'd part ways with Ngata, Canty, Jacoby Jones, McClellan and McPhee. We would permit Will Hill to play our his RFA tender, likely a 2nd round. Jimmy Smith, Upshaw, KO would all play out their rookie deals and be free agents next year. We would add Virgil Green (contingent upon Owen Daniels), Rahim Moore, and Redding to the mix and should have enough for a CB. 

[GrimCoconut]

Is be careful giving forsett a biggish deal..hes 30..we sometimes need to look at the big picture..its sad cos justin has been awesome,,but our cap situation is not awesome and its due overpaying for guys who are not producing at the level there money would ask for.

I don't disagree but I can't imagine we would give him a big deal. He's 30, as you said. I wouldn't take him back if it was a deal that had a lot of guaranteed money. Essentially, give him a deal where you keep him for at least a year with a second year option where we'll have some dead money if we cut him but also some savings, and a final third year if we decide that he's done. 

[ravensdfan]

Draft is very RB heavy. that's the only reason why.

We have a newly drafted RB. We have too many other needs to worry about drafting an RB right now IMO. If Forsett is reasonable, I'd rather he stick around and we focus on our other glaring needs.

[Kakybaby1]

We should keep our own players and build through the draft.

I agree

[rmw10]

We have a newly drafted RB. We have too many other needs to worry about drafting an RB right now IMO. If Forsett is reasonable, I'd rather he stick around and we focus on our other glaring needs.

 

We'll draft a RB.  I don't think there's much of a question about that.  It'll likely be another mid round guy.  This is an incredibly deep RB class and I'm sure we'll be drafting one with or without Forsett.

[GrimCoconut]

We'll draft a RB.  I don't think there's much of a question about that.  It'll likely be another mid round guy.  This is an incredibly deep RB class and I'm sure we'll be drafting one with or without Forsett.

My favorite guy for us is Allen. I'm a really big fan. I think he'll be there in the 4th for us. 

[rmw10]

My favorite guy for us is Allen. I'm a really big fan. I think he'll be there in the 4th for us.

My prospect crush right now, but I won't delve too far since this isn't the draft section lol

[TuckerTime9]

My favorite guy for us is Allen. I'm a really big fan. I think he'll be there in the 4th for us. 

I'd prefer taking Melvin Gordon and signing a CB like Chris Cook in free agency to go opposite of Jimmy and allowing Lardarius Webb to move into the slot.

[dhstandard]

Interior defensive lineman

Strong Safety

Receiver

Tight End

[B-more Ravor]

The one year deal thing has it's advantages but it also has it's risks. Jeremy Maclin and Hakeem Nicks both did one year deals. Maclin signed the deal and now he's going to get paid big time in the market with an explosive season. Nicks, is pretty unlucky and has seen himself drop in the depth chart, now his next contract won't be so nice.

 

Torrey can either bet on himself like Maclin and have an explosive season, or see it fall apart like Nicks. 1YR deal thing is pretty risky and I wouldn't be surprised if Torrey isn't down for it. 

 

 

Torrey will easily command more than a 1-year deal. 

 

Maclin was coming off of injury and didn't play in 2013.  Nicks didn't find much interest on the FA market, also due to his injury history.

 

Torrey has his issues, but I don't think he will have to bet on himself like those two did because neither of the other two really had any option but to go the 1-year deal route.  Torrey will get decent multiple year offers.  They may not be what he would have expected at this time last year, but he'll still get very solid offers.

[Pirate88]

What does everybody think of Justin blackmon? Great difference maker and maybe guys like Steve Smith Pitta and or Daniels can keep him straight and mentor him and be a big brother type. There is no WR we could get in FA or the draft anywhere close to his talent. Dude is a difference maker, a Dez Bryant talent. Beckham-Green is really talented but poses similar situation. However Not quite the talent of Blackmon but still a difference maker with pro bowl talent. Taking a chance on eithereither and trusting coaches and team leaders and veterans to mentor and guide one of them guys is only options for a top talent true#1 WR. Same can be said for Colt Lyerla who has Gronk talent if focused and actually is a smart guy who just made couple young player decisions.

[Pirate88]

I can't see resigning Torry although I like him. He is a #2-3 WR and we need at least a top end #2 who borderlines a #1. Blackmon could be a bargain. Browns could be ready to trade Gordon for a low#1 or #2. Beckham Green could be there at #26. Lyerla is another talented gamble.

I also can't see signing Mcphee for the $6-7million year he will get. Better to go another $5mil n get Houston a dynamic game changer.