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Bump.  I'm happy I didn't apologize.  Damn you, Kubiak!  Gave us false hope last year.  Castillo, you're a bum and you ate off Gary's plate.

 

Can I ask a serious question.  Who has Harbaugh brought in, besides Kubiak, that has actually hung around and been helpful?  Hell, or even been helpful when they were here?

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I'd blame injuries to Wagner & Monroe before blaming Castillo as Yanda, Zuttah, and KO have all been decent.

Aside from Hurst, our backup O-linemen, Jensen and Urschel have also been solid (though Urschel needs to work on his shotgun snaps)

So, among the healthy guys, only Hurst has been horrendous.

Let's see what Castillo can do with 5 healthy, starter caliber, O-linemen

(if we can ever get them for him).

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Castillo is a bum.   Soon as Gary left, our oline started falling apart.    Joe, Schuab, and probably Clauson will all go down in injuries.   

Castillo isnt anything but a 'good friend with benefits' with Harbaugh.    

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Are you kidding me? Get real. Yanda and KO have been dominant. Wagner had a slow start but is getting back to form after a tough injury. Monroe was never that great, and Zuttah was alright.

 

If you're calling Castillo a bum, you probably just don't understand how offensive lines work. Pay more attention. No offensive line will look good with Trestman calling so many pass plays. No offensive line looks good when playing from behind. Oh by the way, Clausen was only sacked once the other day with two backups starting and one starter playing out of position. Get freaking real and pay attention. I swear some people complain just to complain.

 

We have allowed the third fewest sacks in the NFL with 20. We've allowed the ninth fewest QB hits with 61. And that's even with the fourth most passing attempts in the NFL. That's pretty damn freaking good for a line that started Hurst so many games. Do some research and actually know what you're talking about before yapping. Yeah, we're only averaging 3.9 yards a carry which is 20th best, but there are so many factors going into that I don't even feel like getting into it. Between left tackles that can't run block (Hurst, Monroe), soft serve centers (Urschel, Zuttah), injuries at RB, an OC that won't run the ball, and always playing from behind, it's no wonder we can't run the ball well.

 

Seriously, I get that blaming Castillo is the easy (yet stupid) thing to do. It's easier to blame one guy rather than a myriad of problems, but c'mon. Think for once. There are so many more factors affecting our line than Castillo. The fact that we've only allowed 20 sacks with Hurst at LT is a testament to Castillo's coaching, but whatever. Think what you want, even if it is dead wrong and baseless.

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Are you kidding me? Get real. Yanda and KO have been dominant. Wagner had a slow start but is getting back to form after a tough injury. Monroe was never that great, and Zuttah was alright.

 

If you're calling Castillo a bum, you probably just don't understand how offensive lines work. Pay more attention. No offensive line will look good with Trestman calling so many pass plays. No offensive line looks good when playing from behind. Oh by the way, Clausen was only sacked once the other day with two backups starting and one starter playing out of position. Get freaking real and pay attention. I swear some people complain just to complain.

 

We have allowed the third fewest sacks in the NFL with 20. We've allowed the ninth fewest QB hits with 61. And that's even with the fourth most passing attempts in the NFL. That's pretty damn freaking good for a line that started Hurst so many games. Do some research and actually know what you're talking about before yapping. Yeah, we're only averaging 3.9 yards a carry which is 20th best, but there are so many factors going into that I don't even feel like getting into it. Between left tackles that can't run block (Hurst, Monroe), soft serve centers (Urschel, Zuttah), injuries at RB, an OC that won't run the ball, and always playing from behind, it's no wonder we can't run the ball well.

 

Seriously, I get that blaming Castillo is the easy (yet stupid) thing to do. It's easier to blame one guy rather than a myriad of problems, but c'mon. Think for once. There are so many more factors affecting our line than Castillo. The fact that we've only allowed 20 sacks with Hurst at LT is a testament to Castillo's coaching, but whatever. Think what you want, even if it is dead wrong and baseless.

You have very good points.  I'm not basing my judgement off one game either.  I'll admit, I flat out don't like him and think the line took steps back this year, but will admit it's not all his fault.  Injuries and play calling have played a role.

 

You're making it hard for me to not like him TBH.  I didn't realize they were performing that well.  Is there anything there about pressures?

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Are you kidding me? Get real. Yanda and KO have been dominant. Wagner had a slow start but is getting back to form after a tough injury. Monroe was never that great, and Zuttah was alright.

 

If you're calling Castillo a bum, you probably just don't understand how offensive lines work. Pay more attention. No offensive line will look good with Trestman calling so many pass plays. No offensive line looks good when playing from behind. Oh by the way, Clausen was only sacked once the other day with two backups starting and one starter playing out of position. Get freaking real and pay attention. I swear some people complain just to complain.

 

We have allowed the third fewest sacks in the NFL with 20. We've allowed the ninth fewest QB hits with 61. And that's even with the fourth most passing attempts in the NFL. That's pretty damn freaking good for a line that started Hurst so many games. Do some research and actually know what you're talking about before yapping. Yeah, we're only averaging 3.9 yards a carry which is 20th best, but there are so many factors going into that I don't even feel like getting into it. Between left tackles that can't run block (Hurst, Monroe), soft serve centers (Urschel, Zuttah), injuries at RB, an OC that won't run the ball, and always playing from behind, it's no wonder we can't run the ball well.

 

Seriously, I get that blaming Castillo is the easy (yet stupid) thing to do. It's easier to blame one guy rather than a myriad of problems, but c'mon. Think for once. There are so many more factors affecting our line than Castillo. The fact that we've only allowed 20 sacks with Hurst at LT is a testament to Castillo's coaching, but whatever. Think what you want, even if it is dead wrong and baseless.

I wouldn't call Urschel a soft serve center!! Harbs even gave props for his physicality. Urschel is getting acclimated to the position and the line calls the blocking schemes and shotgun snaps. But I wouldn't call Urschel soft serve. By week17 he will be a clear upgrade to Zuttah who is decent. However it would be nice if Kelechi was playing in position so everybody could catch a glimpse what them 3 monsters could do together!! The trio are all known for playing physical and turning defensive players off the ball. Then to really see them dominate the ravens need a left tackle like Tunsil or Stanley. Hurst and Monroe has held the ravens Oline back. When Tunsil or Stanley can take the other teams best edge player on an island, then fans could really watch the destruction Kelechi,Ursch and Yanda could do to other teams!! Those guys would destroy other teams in the zbs!! Because the trip are all mobile and physical. Opposing players would begin to fear who is going to maul them next.

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You have very good points.  I'm not basing my judgement off one game either.  I'll admit, I flat out don't like him and think the line took steps back this year, but will admit it's not all his fault.  Injuries and play calling have played a role.

 

You're making it hard for me to not like him TBH.  I didn't realize they were performing that well.  Is there anything there about pressures?

 

Other sites like Russel Street Report and Pro Football Focus probably have data on the pressures. Ken McKusick does good work with oline analysis. Here are reviews of the oline against the Rams and the Dolphins.

 

I wouldn't call Urschel a soft serve center!! Harbs even gave props for his physicality. Urschel is getting acclimated to the position and the line calls the blocking schemes and shotgun snaps. But I wouldn't call Urschel soft serve. By week17 he will be a clear upgrade to Zuttah who is decent. However it would be nice if Kelechi was playing in position so everybody could catch a glimpse what them 3 monsters could do together!! The trio are all known for playing physical and turning defensive players off the ball. Then to really see them dominate the ravens need a left tackle like Tunsil or Stanley. Hurst and Monroe has held the ravens Oline back. When Tunsil or Stanley can take the other teams best edge player on an island, then fans could really watch the destruction Kelechi,Ursch and Yanda could do to other teams!! Those guys would destroy other teams in the zbs!! Because the trip are all mobile and physical. Opposing players would begin to fear who is going to maul them next.

 

Forgive me, Urschel isn't soft serve. He's a tough guy, but he's not doing as well at center as he was at guard. Him being at center is a big reason we can't run the ball inside. The other reason being Jensen. But both are improving. As seen in the links above, they haven't been grading out very high. 

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Urschel was a matador against the Seahawks, and it really wasn't even close to being serviceable. Same with Jensen.

 

However, to discredit Castillo is really a weak argument. Look at what he's done with KO. In his rookie season, he showed porous footwork and shoddy technique at the tackle position that led to some ridiculous up and down games before shifting to LG. I actually questioned his second level decision making and his ability to find blocks in the second level of the ZBS a lot during the Super Bowl run. 

 

Fast forward to 2015 and he might be the most dominant LG in the league and his technique and footwork have improved so much that he was starting at LT and doing it very well, after being a very average right tackle his rookie year. 

 

I think the offensive line woes have more to do with Monroe finishing all of three games out of 13, Zuttah going down, and Wagner coming off a Lisfranc injury (which we're slowly seeing Jimmy return to form from, despite suffering it around a month earlier). 

He's hardly the problem.

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Other sites like Russel Street Report and Pro Football Focus probably have data on the pressures. Ken McKusick does good work with oline analysis. Here are reviews of the oline against the Rams and the Dolphins.

 

 

Forgive me, Urschel isn't soft serve. He's a tough guy, but he's not doing as well at center as he was at guard. Him being at center is a big reason we can't run the ball inside. The other reason being Jensen. But both are improving. As seen in the links above, they haven't been grading out very high.

Jensen is flat out getting bested. Urschel is just getting acclimated to center and picking up blitzes,stunts,other defensive schemes and the line calls.Harbs loves Urschels physicality,intelligence and work ethic for the center position. Give him a shot and some work at center and it will pay off next year. I wanted the ravens to sign Wiesnewski at center. Regardless of already having zuttah. Wiesnewski is very underrated and physical. And signed for a bargain. But you have to like the idea of Urschel getting acclimated at center. Zuttah is technically sound at the position but to soft for what Harbs likes!! Playing next to a weak link like Jensen does not help Ursch's progress!!

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Urschel was a matador against the Seahawks, and it really wasn't even close to being serviceable. Same with Jensen.

 

However, to discredit Castillo is really a weak argument. Look at what he's done with KO. In his rookie season, he showed porous footwork and shoddy technique at the tackle position that led to some ridiculous up and down games before shifting to LG. I actually questioned his second level decision making and his ability to find blocks in the second level of the ZBS a lot during the Super Bowl run. 

 

Fast forward to 2015 and he might be the most dominant LG in the league and his technique and footwork have improved so much that he was starting at LT and doing it very well, after being a very average right tackle his rookie year. 

 

I think the offensive line woes have more to do with Monroe finishing all of three games out of 13, Zuttah going down, and Wagner coming off a Lisfranc injury (which we're slowly seeing Jimmy return to form from, despite suffering it around a month earlier). 

He's hardly the problem.

I don't think he's the problem at this point and I don't like the man particularly. He WAS the problem early on as he went back to his own version of ZBS which was verified by the players and our O line was crap. 2013 our O line was crap. Kubiak comes in and implements his own version of ZBS and we're golden. Castillo goes back to his own version and we're crap. Basically Castillo is fine as long as he doesn't run his version of the ZBS lol

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Urschel was a matador against the Seahawks, and it really wasn't even close to being serviceable. Same with Jensen.

However, to discredit Castillo is really a weak argument. Look at what he's done with KO. In his rookie season, he showed porous footwork and shoddy technique at the tackle position that led to some ridiculous up and down games before shifting to LG. I actually questioned his second level decision making and his ability to find blocks in the second level of the ZBS a lot during the Super Bowl run.

Fast forward to 2015 and he might be the most dominant LG in the league and his technique and footwork have improved so much that he was starting at LT and doing it very well, after being a very average right tackle his rookie year.

I think the offensive line woes have more to do with Monroe finishing all of three games out of 13, Zuttah going down, and Wagner coming off a Lisfranc injury (which we're slowly seeing Jimmy return to form from, despite suffering it around a month earlier).

He's hardly the problem.

Very good post. Let me add how Urschel at center fits in with what Harbs wants at Oline. Physically dominant with the skills to zone block. And it has to be taken into consideration even vet and even pro bowl guards like Logan Mankins struggled when playing center for a couple games!! Even in preseason against backups!! lol, So give Ursch a shot to acclimate to center. He along with Kelechi and Marshall could very well become one of the most physical interior trio to ever play Edited by Winchester
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I don't think he's the problem at this point and I don't like the man particularly. He WAS the problem early on as he went back to his own version of ZBS which was verified by the players and our O line was crap. 2013 our O line was crap. Kubiak comes in and implements his own version of ZBS and we're golden. Castillo goes back to his own version and we're crap. Basically Castillo is fine as long as he doesn't run his version of the ZBS lol

 

1. Only lazy butt McKinnie came out against Castillo. Try again.

 

2. Do you know the first thing about offensive line play? How do you know we've gone back to Castillo's version? Can you even tell me what Castillo's version and how you think it differs from Kubiak's? We're doing a lot of the same stuff we did under Kubiak. Same calls. Same blocking. Same footwork. We've actually added more stuff from Trestman's playbook. Having actually played on an offensive line, I can tell you with 100 percent certainty that what you are arguing is objectively false.

 

Blaming Castillo is a lazy, stupid, cop out. It's a multi-faceted issue. I'm noticing a trend where all the same people who hate Pees also hate Castillo and every other coach we've ever had. This says to me that people will always put blame on the easy target rather than accept that it's a complex issue.

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1. Only lazy butt McKinnie came out against Castillo. Try again.

 

2. Do you know the first thing about offensive line play? How do you know we've gone back to Castillo's version? Can you even tell me what Castillo's version and how you think it differs from Kubiak's? We're doing a lot of the same stuff we did under Kubiak. Same calls. Same blocking. Same footwork. We've actually added more stuff from Trestman's playbook. You won't ever believe me because you're incapable of admitting you're wrong, but having actually played on an offensive line, I can tell you with 100 percent certainty that what you are arguing is objectively false.

 

Blaming Castillo is a lazy, stupid, cop out. It's a multi-faceted issue. I'm noticing a trend where all the same people who hate Pees also hate Castillo and every other coach we've ever had. This says to me that people will always put blame on the easy target rather than accept that it's a complex issue.

Good points!! But calm down no need for person attacks.lol Especially when you make good points. It is better to educate others. I'm curious where did you play Oline. Just curious because at one particular gym I knew a lot of olineman training for the next years nfl training camp invite.

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Good points!! But calm down no need for person attacks.lol Especially when you make good points. It is better to educate others. I'm curious where did you play Oline. Just curious because at one particular gym I knew a lot of olineman training for the next years nfl training camp invite.

 

Guard, high school, some in college. Ran parts of zone scheme in high school, ran strict zone scheme in college. 

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Yeah, Castillo shouldn't be called out this season at all.  He deserved all the backlash from 2013 after implementing his trap blocking scheme with players that simply couldn't do it, but his unit has been good this year.  Whether they are still using Gary's scheme or he just fit a new scheme around what the players could actually do, he's done well this year.  Considering he's had the worst LT in the league playing in place of a constantly injured starter, he's done great.

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Urschel was a matador against the Seahawks, and it really wasn't even close to being serviceable. Same with Jensen.

 

However, to discredit Castillo is really a weak argument. Look at what he's done with KO. In his rookie season, he showed porous footwork and shoddy technique at the tackle position that led to some ridiculous up and down games before shifting to LG. I actually questioned his second level decision making and his ability to find blocks in the second level of the ZBS a lot during the Super Bowl run. 

 

Fast forward to 2015 and he might be the most dominant LG in the league and his technique and footwork have improved so much that he was starting at LT and doing it very well, after being a very average right tackle his rookie year. 

 

I think the offensive line woes have more to do with Monroe finishing all of three games out of 13, Zuttah going down, and Wagner coming off a Lisfranc injury (which we're slowly seeing Jimmy return to form from, despite suffering it around a month earlier). 

He's hardly the problem.

Did the "Matadors" give up a sack vs. Seahawks?  Nope.  Gotta figure that Urschel - Jensen - Osemele project will need time for these three to gel together.  Jensen missed some blocks in the run game, but I think with some consistent game playing, he will improve.  When you are "on again-off again" as far as being in the lineup, it is a little disruptive.  Sounds like Harbs is going to run with this combo for the rest of the season.  Give these three a chance to work together for a couple more games, then decide who is up to the task and who isn't. 

 

Side note is Jensen got place in the lineup vs. two of the best past rush defenses we've faced this year after getting just a few plays on ST.  I look forward in seeing what he can do vs. Chiefs.  I say give the man a little slack and see how he finishes up.  Osemele is also adapting to working outside as well.  :258801:

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Yes, Castillo's the reason our O-line sucks after our Center gets IR'd, our LT gets IR, our LG has injury issues and our RT is coming off Lisfranc...

You people make me laugh.

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Jensen may be serviceable in my opinion. But Ursch could very well have the skills and physicality do dominate from the center position. He just needs reps. Like I said even mankins struggled at center a little because he was not acclimated. Ursch could pay off terrifically if ravens allow him to settle in at center as his home. Not many centers bring his physicality work ethic and intelligence.

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Did the "Matadors" give up a sack vs. Seahawks?  Nope.  Gotta figure that Urschel - Jensen - Osemele project will need time for these three to gel together.  Jensen missed some blocks in the run game, but I think with some consistent game playing, he will improve.  When you are "on again-off again" as far as being in the lineup, it is a little disruptive.  Sounds like Harbs is going to run with this combo for the rest of the season.  Give these three a chance to work together for a couple more games, then decide who is up to the task and who isn't. 

 

Side note is Jensen got place in the lineup vs. two of the best past rush defenses we've faced this year after getting just a few plays on ST.  I look forward in seeing what he can do vs. Chiefs.  I say give the man a little slack and see how he finishes up.  Osemele is also adapting to working outside as well.  :258801:

Uh yes, yes they did give up a sack. In fact, Urschel was credited with allowing one sack, three hits, and three hurries, if you're curious. 

 

I'm not saying that he can't work into being a serviceable player. Does anyone remember Rick Wagner's rookie season debut against Denver? It was the worst showing I have seen from him since... well, Denver this year on opening day. He was getting worked so badly that people actually wanted to pay Oher a good amount. Fast forward in the season and he got much more up to speed playing in jumbo packages and then he tears it up in 2014. 

 

I really like Osemele a ton at LT. He went from being a freakishly athletic big man to being a freakishly athletic big man with great footwork and great technique. He's proving me vastly wrong with how I anticipated he'd play at LT. He was awesome Sunday.

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Did the "Matadors" give up a sack vs. Seahawks?  Nope.  Gotta figure that Urschel - Jensen - Osemele project will need time for these three to gel together.  Jensen missed some blocks in the run game, but I think with some consistent game playing, he will improve.  When you are "on again-off again" as far as being in the lineup, it is a little disruptive.  Sounds like Harbs is going to run with this combo for the rest of the season.  Give these three a chance to work together for a couple more games, then decide who is up to the task and who isn't. 

 

Side note is Jensen got place in the lineup vs. two of the best past rush defenses we've faced this year after getting just a few plays on ST.  I look forward in seeing what he can do vs. Chiefs.  I say give the man a little slack and see how he finishes up.  Osemele is also adapting to working outside as well.  :258801:

 

There's a lot more to oline than sacks. Urschel and Jensen have been trash run blockers. They are matadors until further notice.

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There's a lot more to oline than sacks. Urschel and Jensen have been trash run blockers. They are matadors until further notice.

Glad Harbs and Castillo see it differently.  As I said, they need time to gel under game conditions.  I've seen both make very good blocks as well.  But all people tend to see is the bad.  Human nature expecting perfection from others that would run circles around the critic....or plow them into the ground as the case may be.

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Uh yes, yes they did give up a sack. In fact, Urschel was credited with allowing one sack, three hits, and three hurries, if you're curious. 

 

I'm not saying that he can't work into being a serviceable player. Does anyone remember Rick Wagner's rookie season debut against Denver? It was the worst showing I have seen from him since... well, Denver this year on opening day. He was getting worked so badly that people actually wanted to pay Oher a good amount. Fast forward in the season and he got much more up to speed playing in jumbo packages and then he tears it up in 2014. 

 

I really like Osemele a ton at LT. He went from being a freakishly athletic big man to being a freakishly athletic big man with great footwork and great technique. He's proving me vastly wrong with how I anticipated he'd play at LT. He was awesome Sunday.

I stand corrected.  Urschel did get hit with a sack.  No need to be condenscending :rolleyes:

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Glad Harbs and Castillo see it differently.  As I said, they need time to gel under game conditions.  I've seen both make very good blocks as well.  But all people tend to see is the bad.  Human nature expecting perfection from others that would run circles around the critic....or plow them into the ground as the case may be.

 

I agree with you. They both have made some good blocks. Yes, they are improving. Yes, they need time to gel. Yes, I think they're both capable starters in the NFL. That does not mean that they aren't mediocre right now. "Good" and "going to be good" are different things. These two fit in the latter category. That's not a bad thing, and it's not a shot at them. It's just how it is.

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Uh yes, yes they did give up a sack. In fact, Urschel was credited with allowing one sack, three hits, and three hurries, if you're curious. 

 

I'm not saying that he can't work into being a serviceable player. Does anyone remember Rick Wagner's rookie season debut against Denver? It was the worst showing I have seen from him since... well, Denver this year on opening day. He was getting worked so badly that people actually wanted to pay Oher a good amount. Fast forward in the season and he got much more up to speed playing in jumbo packages and then he tears it up in 2014. 

 

I really like Osemele a ton at LT. He went from being a freakishly athletic big man to being a freakishly athletic big man with great footwork and great technique. He's proving me vastly wrong with how I anticipated he'd play at LT. He was awesome Sunday.

 

I want to see how KO does now that teams have seen him at LT. They might have found a weakness to key in on. His footwork was still a little slow on some snaps last week, and there were a few times he got beat on a speed rush or a hard inside move. With KO, it's the deal where, if he gets back to his house and lands a punch, it's game over. But if he doesn't land a punch, he's done. I'm not sure his feet are fast enough to recover. We'll see though. It was his first game at LT in a while so he might have to adjust his footwork more.

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I agree with you. They both have made some good blocks. Yes, they are improving. Yes, they need time to gel. Yes, I think they're both capable starters in the NFL. That does not mean that they aren't mediocre right now. "Good" and "going to be good" are different things. These two fit in the latter category. That's not a bad thing, and it's not a shot at them. It's just how it is.

Very true.  I am sure both look at film and say I missed that block.  I have high hopes for them both.  I think this situation right now is their chance to compile reps and improve their standing.  Jensen had a rough start to his career with a broken foot and then the sleep apnea troubles.  Urschel is showing improvement in his efforts at Center.  I think both have great potential.

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I'd blame injuries to Wagner & Monroe before blaming Castillo as Yanda, Zuttah, and KO have all been decent.

Aside from Hurst, our backup O-linemen, Jensen and Urschel have also been solid (though Urschel needs to work on his shotgun snaps)

So, among the healthy guys, only Hurst has been horrendous.

Let's see what Castillo can do with 5 healthy, starter caliber, O-linemen

(if we can ever get them for him).

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I want to see how KO does now that teams have seen him at LT. They might have found a weakness to key in on. His footwork was still a little slow on some snaps last week, and there were a few times he got beat on a speed rush or a hard inside move. With KO, it's the deal where, if he gets back to his house and lands a punch, it's game over. But if he doesn't land a punch, he's done. I'm not sure his feet are fast enough to recover. We'll see though. It was his first game at LT in a while so he might have to adjust his footwork more.

 

I am definitely with you in that I'd like to see more from KO before I'm ready to call him the future LT, but I'm really happy to see how far he's come. He went from being pretty much an extremely explosive player to being someone who actually understands the position. Obviously I don't have to tell you any of what he's doing differently because I'm sure you're seeing it more clearly and fully than I am.

 

But going back to his recovery speed, still my number one concern. I didn't feel like he was that great of a right tackle because he wasn't quick, but then again, Cordy Glenn is absolutely lighting it up at tackle this year and he's someone who seemed to labor about in college. I've just got a lot of faith and hope in KO with how far he's progressed.

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Can somebody tell me if The Ravens offensive line still running zone blocking scheme? Sometimes I can't even tell honestly

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Can somebody tell me if The Ravens offensive line still running zone blocking scheme? Sometimes I can't even tell honestly

 

Yes, primarily zone, but with more man than in last season.

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Wanted to re-visit this and note how well KO, Jensen, Urschel, and Wagner have done. These four guys have spent their entire careers with Castillo, and look how well they're playing. Jensen has been the highest rated LG in the league for the past two weeks according to PFF. I know some of you hate PFF because their ratings contradict your narratives, but Jensen has been balling out. KO has moved from LG to LT - a challenging move - and he's doing great. Urschel has done better each game, and Wagner is getting back to his peak, where he was last season.

 

But we should still fire Castillo, right? He's only Harbaugh's buddy. It's not like he actually knows how to develop young linemen. :rolleyes:

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