Flacco off season throwing sessions - necessary?

[RedFire]

Then, should players have the ability to sue if they were underpaid for their production? I think not! I think what may happen at some point is that teams could gain the right to void a contract without penalty if your above point can be proven.

 

i feel teams should have a weekly allowance and split it up with the players weekly...and there would be a minimum per week for those on the roster. the best performers by week would get the most money...and those that stunk-up the field would get less, but would get at-least the minimum. 

 

so with that system...it would have made justin forsett one of the highest paid players on the team last year while he was delivering good work almost every game. i think my system would be real-time instead of the past performance contracts or speculating about the future contracts. 

[Tru11]

Stop trying to make Joe be Brady, Brees, Rivers and Rodgers.  He's not nor ever will be them!  He's his own man and if he wants to spend time with his receivers during their off time he will.  If he doesn't...he won't.  Let it go!

 

 dont forget everyone will be blaiming the receivers anyways during the season wether they do these extra sessions or not 

[berad]

 dont forget everyone will be blaiming the receivers anyways during the season wether they do these extra sessions or not 

 

Consider Torrey Smith's explanations from last offseason (2014) and HE blames the WRs...

[Tru11]

Consider Torrey Smith's explanations from last offseason (2014) and HE blames the WRs...

 

blames them for what?

[berad]

blames them for what?

 

Tight end Dennis Pitta and wide receiver Jacoby Jones have both said Flacco talked with them about getting together, and wide receiver Torrey Smith explained why the meetings have yet to take place.

 

“You all [in the media] keep talking about this and [criticizing] Joe like he doesn’t want to get together or something like that,” Smith said Saturday at his charity basketball game.

 

“We’ve been trying to figure it out, but people have to realize, [Kyle Juszczyk] is in school, Marlon [brown] is in school. Steve [smith] is still being a parent down there [Carolina]. [Dennis] Pitta is fine. Aaron [Mellette] isn’t all the way back yet. If we really go out there and throw, it’s going to be, Steve, Pitta and Jacoby. That’s it.”

 

This article was at the end of March, I assume they did get together based on this quote

 

The Ravens still have three weeks before they start voluntary conditioning at the Under Armour Performance Center, and Smith expects the group to get together before then.

 

“We have to try and get everyone on the same page, but it will definitely happen in the next two weeks.”

 

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/Private-Workouts-With-Joe-Flacco-Coming/186c9441-e71b-43bc-b980-dc7fcb742083

[Tru11]

This article was at the end of March, I assume they did get together based on this quote

 

 

 

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/Private-Workouts-With-Joe-Flacco-Coming/186c9441-e71b-43bc-b980-dc7fcb742083

 

he doesent blame anyone.

he explains why some arent availeble.

 

you act like torrey is mad others choose school and parenting over a workout lmao.

 

he blames the media for making an issue out it and actually sticks up for his teammates.

 

seriously just because the guy left doesent mean you should put him in a bad daylight.

 

torrey is actually defending both flacco and his fellow team mates in this article SMH.

 

Also my point was that FANS will blame receivers for everything regardless if its their fault or not or if they attend these workouts or not.

[1/28/01]

Flacco once threw me a chicken nugget from McDonald's...I think I'm ready for the regular season now.

[berad]

he doesent blame anyone.

he explains why some arent availeble.

 

you act like torrey is mad others choose school and parenting over a workout lmao.

 

he blames the media for making an issue out it and actually sticks up for his teammates.

 

seriously just because the guy left doesent mean you should put him in a bad daylight.

 

torrey is actually defending both flacco and his fellow team mates in this article SMH.

 

Also my point was that FANS will blame receivers for everything regardless if its their fault or not or if they attend these workouts or not.

 

Who said anything about being mad? Torrey was explaining that the media (which we get info from) jumps to conclusions on stuff like this and explained it out. He was 'blaming' (to use my word) those guys for continuing their education in their own offseason instead of showing up to a high school field to play catch.

 

My point was just that, according to Torrey, Joe wanted to do this but other guys were busy with their own things - which is entirely their right.

 

Wouldn't put Torrey in a bad light, he seems like a great guy with an awesome family.

[BmoreBird22]

If receivers can't get on the same page as Joe during the months of June, July, and August when they're in training camp almost every weekday and playing preseason games, well then they probably shouldn't be NFL receivers... 

The thing is, they're just going to be going out there and throwing balls around. It's similar to a pro-day and we all know pro-days don't mean much. I'd equate it to tossing the ball out in the yard. 

 

At least in training camp there are defenders and scrimmages to help make it like an actual game situation. When they're doing these off-season throwing sessions, they probably don't have a cornerback there, but I could be wrong. 

 

Still, Steve Smith came in as a 100% newcomer and almost instantly hit it off in training camp without these throwing sessions. Conversely, Torrey played four years with Joe and never looked totally in sync. I doubt an offseason throwing session remedies that and Steve obviously didn't need one.

[Tru11]

Who said anything about being mad? Torrey was explaining that the media (which we get info from) jumps to conclusions on stuff like this and explained it out. He was 'blaming' (to use my word) those guys for continuing their education in their own offseason instead of showing up to a high school field to play catch.

 

My point was just that, according to Torrey, Joe wanted to do this but other guys were busy with their own things - which is entirely their right.

 

Wouldn't put Torrey in a bad light, he seems like a great guy with an awesome family.

 

so you meant to use another word instead of blaming?

 

cause i fail to see how see how saying he blamed others could be viewed as something positive regarding torrey.

 

i also fail to see what this had to do with my reply.

for alot of fans here it doesent matter who does what , its always the receivers fault.

not a good play by the defender or a bad throw/decision by the QB or bad play call by OC or terrible blocking by the o-line enz..

[berad]

so you meant to use another word instead of blaming?

 

cause i fail to see how see how saying he blamed others could be viewed as something positive regarding torrey.

 

i also fail to see what this had to do with my reply.

for alot of fans here it doesent matter who does what , its always the receivers fault.

not a good play by the defender or a bad throw/decision by the QB or bad play call by OC or terrible blocking by the o-line enz..

 

Call it 'blame', call it 'explain', whatever.

 

My point was it actually was the receivers doing other things and that Joe had wanted them to get together i.e. 'the receivers fault there weren't any get-togethers before March 31st'.

 

The word "fault" is being used loosely because they were doing admirable things with their granted time off.

 

You're right, some will blame only the WRs, some will blame only the QB, etc... such is life.

[HoldingCall]

i feel teams should have a weekly allowance and split it up with the players weekly...and there would be a minimum per week for those on the roster. the best performers by week would get the most money...and those that stunk-up the field would get less, but would get at-least the minimum. 

 

so with that system...it would have made justin forsett one of the highest paid players on the team last year while he was delivering good work almost every game. i think my system would be real-time instead of the past performance contracts or speculating about the future contracts. 

That's an interesting idea. However, I wonder whether the weekly pressure would become a distraction and encourage individuals to be selfish thus negatively affect the concept of a team sport. On the other hand, it would be interesting to watch one game to see how players respond on the field. Maybe a few more twisting of opposition ankles while in pile-ups on the ground? I'd expect to see more fights.

[Halden52]

I don't see this as a problem. Flacco had some chemistry issues with new receivers the past few years. Remember when Dallas Clark was here? There wasn't a real connection between those two. Last year it took some time before Flacco and Daniels were able to connect. I'm not hating on Flacco, he is by far the best quarterback we have and an elite playoff quarterback. He also is somewhat under rated and often overlooked.

[Inqui]

I don't see this as a problem. Flacco had some chemistry issues with new receivers the past few years. Remember when Dallas Clark was here? There wasn't a real connection between those two. Last year it took some time before Flacco and Daniels were able to connect. I'm not hating on Flacco, he is by far the best quarterback we have and an elite playoff quarterback. He also is somewhat under rated and often overlooked.

I'd argue that's because Clark missed the preseason, since he started to get better as the season wore on. Same with Ed Brickson that year - never amazing but still noticeably better once he'd played a few games again.

[FlocksGottaFeed]

Maybe it's just me, but I can't see any significance in off-season throwing sessions. Off-season film sessions...maybe.

[jimmypowder]

Doesn't matter one bit .Let em rest.

[codizzle]

Doesn't matter one bit .Let em rest.

No rest for flacco until he can do this

https://vine.co/v/eBTWWK7xBaz

[Ravenslifer]

I don't see this as a problem. Flacco had some chemistry issues with new receivers the past few years. Remember when Dallas Clark was here? There wasn't a real connection between those two. Last year it took some time before Flacco and Daniels were able to connect. I'm not hating on Flacco, he is by far the best quarterback we have and an elite playoff quarterback. He also is somewhat under rated and often overlooked.

 

That's because he was signed 3 weeks before the season started.  How much chemistry do you think 2 players can build with 1 preseason game of work together?  He played in sparingly in preseason game 2, and in game 4 Joe didn't play because the starters never play in game 4.  So basically 1+ games of work together.  He also caught 60 percent of the passes thrown to him, so I don't see where there were chemistry issues - the first 3 games he caught 12 of 20 passes.  Buffalo was a bad game.  The next 7 games he caught 15/23 passes - that's 65 percent of the passes thrown his way.  That's the same reception percentage Aaron Rodgers had with Jordy Nelson the last 2 seasons, and he's been throwing to Nelson since he became a starting quarterback.

[WinnipegRaven]

how off-season sessions could be viewed as anything but "positive" is beyond me.

 

practice is practice - it's OK to make mistakes in practice and that's how people learn.  It is NOT OK to make mistakes in-game.... Allen Iverson be damned.

[FlocksGottaFeed]

how off-season sessions could be viewed as anything but "positive" is beyond me.

 

practice is practice - it's OK to make mistakes in practice and that's how people learn.  It is NOT OK to make mistakes in-game.... Allen Iverson be damned.

NFL players normally get less than 3 months to chill, rest and be with their families (especially playoff players). If anyone thinks it's cool to use a paid work vacation for catching-up on work (throwing sessions - for professionals that's usually training camp...not the offseason) - more power to you. But we should never knock any player that wants to spend that time with family and give themselves a physical and mental break. They'll be better players because of the stress relief alone.

 

Come-on. Their careers are short and they still manage to miss-out on a lot of their young lives. Give them a break.

 

I said they should maybe do a film session earlier, but not game footage. Maybe get together if possible and see a private at home pre-viewing of the new Star Wars with family, teammates and friends. Now, that's a film session.

 

p.s. - Serve crabcakes. Yes!

[WinnipegRaven]

NFL players normally get less than 3 months to chill, rest and be with their families (especially playoff players). If anyone thinks it's cool to use a paid work vacation for catching-up on work (throwing sessions - for professionals that's usually training camp...not the offseason) - more power to you. But we should never knock any player that wants to spend that time with family and give themselves a physical and mental break. They'll be better players because of the stress relief alone.

 

Come-on. Their careers are short and they still manage to miss-out on a lot of their young lives. Give them a break.

 

Oh-puh-leeeze.

 

not sure how I knocked players for taking time off?  not sure how how I'm insinuating that they lose out on their "young lives"?

 

Given our plight at WR, I guess I'll fault Joe for "taking time off" to spend with his WR's, thus making our team better.... Guess I'll fault those young UDFA/7th/6th rd picks for wasting their "young lives" for trying to get on the same page?

 

P.S - NFL players are typically well compensated to play the game they love instead of "work", like the rest of us.

[FlocksGottaFeed]

Oh-puh-leeeze.

 

not sure how I knocked players for taking time off?  not sure how how I'm insinuating that they lose out on their "young lives"?

 

Given our plight at WR, I guess I'll fault Joe for "taking time off" to spend with his WR's, thus making our team better.... Guess I'll fault those young UDFA/7th/6th rd picks for wasting their "young lives" for trying to get on the same page?

 

P.S - NFL players are typically well compensated to play the game they love instead of "work", like the rest of us.

Never said that you 'knocked' players.

NFL players don't work just because they are 'well compensated' to literally put their bodies on the line each step on the field? Really? They work like the rest of us in make billions for owners.

 

They shouldn't have 'free' time to relax and spend time with families, etc? Or are you saying that they need less off-season before training camp? If so, that's your propagative to feel that way, but in all reality, that's the player's propagative to give-up free-time or not. Contracts make it that way for good reason.

 

It's most likely why you never hear coaches, GMs and owners demanding players to have 'throwing sessions'. They've been throwing and catching since grade school. If a player catches 15 of 15 passes during an offseason 'throwing session' and drops 10 of 15 passes during training camp in pads - what has he learned? Training camp is plenty unless the players chose other wise. No fault here - just freedom of choice.

 

Hope this helped.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

The reality is throwing sessions with the receivers can't hurt. They can work on timing, vets help younger guys with route running, Joe can work on placement and understanding where different guys like the ball in different situations, and at the very least can build comradery/friendship and bring the group closer together by spending time with each other just being themselves and having fun away from the coaching staff.

But on the flip side, not doing it isn't the difference between any of them having a pro-bowl season or not. It's not going to elevate a non-playoff team to the tournament or Super Bowl.

It can be a good thing for sure but in a professional environment the true benefit in measurable improvement is negligible at best.

It doesn't hurt to do it, but it doesn't really hurt much not to either. They'll have countless hours together, drills, game situations, etc... To get on the same page before any meaningful snaps will be played. If they can't get there in that time, a few extra hours of throwing/catching without pads and defenders wasn't going to help either.