Dawan Landry

[wayne]

I personality feel Leonard is doing at good job and we have the Safety from Notre Dame who is suppose to be more athletic than Dawan or Leonard ( You can't teach athletic ability) but I know Dawan was playing good when he was healthy.


Will Dawan immediately get his position back upon return or not?

[Samari]

I think he should compete for it, but even competing for it, he'll probably get the spot back. He's too good.

I enjoy Leonhard as well; moving him to nickel may be a good move.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Samari' post='116919' date='Jan 2 2009, 10:48 PM']I think he should compete for it, but even competing for it, he'll probably get the spot back. He's too good.[/quote]

I agree. They should battle for the job in pre-season next year. Dawan is a really good tackler and offers a lot in run-support. Leonhard doesn't really stand out but I have yet to see him give up a big play.

It's going to be a tough decision for the coaches. I hope they resign Leonhard regardless.

[heapitup247]

I recall reading alot about how he stepped his game up this offseason in the absence of reed in TC. I want to see Landry back because of his chemistry with ed reed and the secondary. Landry also gives us another playmaker back there (Leonhard plays his position well, but i wouldnt call him a playmaker just yet).

[PuRock]

There should be an open competition. And I do believe Landry is the better coverage safety. Hence I expect him to start next year.

[PurpleClawsOfFURY]

Zibby isn't ready to step into the starting role yet, Leohnard plays with a lot a heart but sometimes thats not enough anymore, Dawan is great in the run D and is an ok coverage guy but better then the other two.

Dawan should be the starter i actually think our D misses him despite the play of Jim.

[52Kia Kaha92]

I would only take Polamalu over Dawan out of all the strong safties, Dawan is amazing in run support as hes huge and a great tackler with a big shoulder, he smart who is one of the best cover sadties as he is so big he covers tight ends so well and is great in coverage, the guy is a beast and we miss him heaps

Dawan is stepping up as a leader and will win the job in the first 5 minutes if he competes for it, hes the complete guy and is one of my favourite players because of the way he plays

Dawan Landry is a monster and im excited to get him back next year

[Jesse Conroy]

Like Samari said, they will have to fight for the spot.

[wayne]

[quote name='52Kia Kaha92' post='116981' date='Jan 2 2009, 11:13 PM']I would only take Polamalu over Dawan out of all the strong safties, Dawan is amazing in run support as hes huge and a great tackler with a big shoulder, he smart who is one of the best cover sadties as he is so big he covers tight ends so well and is great in coverage, the guy is a beast and we miss him heaps

Dawan is stepping up as a leader and will win the job in the first 5 minutes if he competes for it, hes the complete guy and is one of my favourite players because of the way he plays

Dawan Landry is a monster and im excited to get him back next year[/quote]
Thats a pretty bold statement you made about Dawan! I haven't seen Dawan play that much( I from Dallas, Cowboys fan 1st, Ravens 2nd)and I just got involved with the Sports Bar thing this year so now I'm seeing every Ravens game.

Explain what type of SS Dawan is! Is he a hard hitter, is he fast,can he cover good. I know hes not better than his brother but just explain him.

[Perfekt]

they play similar but i think dawan is much better than leron

[BloodRaven]

The only thing I dont like about Landry is his speed, he gets burned badly at times.

[MKdave]

[quote name='wayne' post='117007' date='Jan 3 2009, 06:51 AM']Explain what type of SS Dawan is! Is he a hard hitter, is he fast,can he cover good. I know hes not better than his brother but just explain him.[/quote]

Nah, He's much better than Laron. He's the best tackler we have outside of Ray and Bart. And he had 5 picks his rookie year, and plays better coverage than Laron as well.

[Tighthead420]

That begs a bunch of questions in the secondary. I like Landry as much as anyone else, but Leonhard has played hard all year, and is a solid tackler/blitzer/cover guy. So what to do with him IF Landry gets his spot back. I would rather keep him over Ivy...does that mean he is now nickel? Or do we keep him at backup and have Nakamura go elsewhere....who knows. I guess the next camp will decide their fate. I would hate to see him go elsewhere in the league because he is a solid starter and has played as hard as anyone on the team. A huge playmaker...no, but you cannot deny he has had an impact.

[BloodRaven]

We need to find a space for Leonhard, even if that means 5 safeties. He may be small and isnt the fastest guy around but hes a great [i]football player[/i] and a high character guy. I think his KR/PR ability alone warrants a place.

[RoflDogs]

I believe we have 6 safeties right now..... (reed,landry,zbib,ruki,leonard,stone)

Landry is a beast


[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMLAttsi9gk"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMLAttsi9gk[/url]

enuff said

[Eso]

Even if they can't keep him for the defense I would love to see him return as the Punt returner.

[wolfzie06]

[quote name='BloodRaven' post='117021' date='Jan 3 2009, 02:45 AM']The only thing I dont like about Landry is his speed, he gets burned badly at times.[/quote]

I think this happens more when he is one-on-one with a wideout. He is much better in zone coverage and is much better playing the run than the pass. He is a true Strong Safety.

[Bullrush]

Leonard is a solid safety but he's not gonna make any bigplays for you. But he also rarely makes any big mistakes, this is what you get when you pick up a veteran. Landry is nice and all, he's an upgrade over Leonhard but he needs to make more bigplays and be more aggressive vs the run.

Zibby is far more athletic, he's got great instincts and he can make Reed type plays in coverage, jump routes and all that. His interception in pre season was pretty impressive. Also he is a force in the running game. He'll punish receivers if they go over the middle. He'll knock RB's backwards. The bad thing is that he's still a rookie, and he's not the most vocal guy. I expect big things from him in training camp. And then you have Nakamura, but i don't expect him to compete for a starting job anytime soon. He can hit but he struggled a bit so far with his tackling.

[RoflDogs]

[quote name='Bullrush' post='117079' date='Jan 3 2009, 11:57 AM']Leonard is a solid safety but he's not gonna make any bigplays for you. But he also rarely makes any big mistakes, this is what you get when you pick up a veteran. Landry is nice and all, he's an upgrade over Leonhard but he needs to make more bigplays and be more aggressive vs the run.

Zibby is far more athletic, he's got great instincts and he can make Reed type plays in coverage, jump routes and all that. His interception in pre season was pretty impressive. Also he is a force in the running game. He'll punish receivers if they go over the middle. He'll knock RB's backwards. The bad thing is that he's still a rookie, and he's not the most vocal guy. I expect big things from him in training camp. And then you have Nakamura, but i don't expect him to compete for a starting job anytime soon.[b] He can hit but he struggled a bit so far with his tackling.[/b][/quote]

IMO, I think after a full off season working out, Haruki will have more muscle on him and therefore will tackle better

[wayne]

Leonhard makes a strong case for a possible position battle with Dawan. He always seem to be in the mix of a play and he makes the play 90% of the time. He had some crucial tackles this game!

[3Zach21]

Laron is Free Safety now, due to Sean Taylor's unfortunate passing. Dawan is a Strong Safety. They both have two different roles, Laron more of coverage, Dawan more of stopping the run, and playing in the box. Laron is much faster, and hits harder then Dawan. I wouldn't call Dawan a much better covering guy then Laron either.

[tweety]

My impression of our Safety situation is totally different.

I thought Dawan is only a better Run Supporter.

I thought Leonard was faster and better in Coverage.

Zibby doesn't impress me athletically he is the opposite of Leonard to me Big, Strong, Slow, and not a great returner. Look at his highlights he doesn't outrun, he runs over (college, not running anyone over in the NFL).

Who knows maybe my opionion will change. I don't see anyone competing with Leonard and Landry.

[MKdave]

[quote name='tweety' post='119630' date='Jan 4 2009, 10:58 PM']My impression of our Safety situation is totally different.

I thought Dawan is only a better Run Supporter.

I thought Leonard was faster and better in Coverage.

Zibby doesn't impress me athletically he is the opposite of Leonard to me Big, Strong, Slow, and not a great returner. Look at his highlights he doesn't outrun, he runs over (college, not running anyone over in the NFL).

Who knows maybe my opionion will change. I don't see anyone competing with Leonard and Landry.[/quote]

He's [Zbikowski] probably about as fast as Leonhard. But he's a much better athlete. Way Stronger and has the height and hops to compete on jump balls that Jimmy couldn't get to with a ladder. But Leonhard's a smart, seasoned veteran and that's why he's the better option for now.

[52Kia Kaha92]

[quote name='tweety' post='119630' date='Jan 4 2009, 06:58 PM']My impression of our Safety situation is totally different.

I thought Dawan is only a better Run Supporter.

I thought Leonard was faster and better in Coverage.

Zibby doesn't impress me athletically he is the opposite of Leonard to me Big, Strong, Slow, and not a great returner. Look at his highlights he doesn't outrun, he runs over (college, not running anyone over in the NFL).

Who knows maybe my opionion will change. I don't see anyone competing with Leonard and Landry.[/quote]

you seriously think leohnard is better in coverage than dawan, if so youre crazy

[TheHeb]

[quote name='MKdave' post='119779' date='Jan 4 2009, 07:43 PM']He's [Zbikowski] probably about as fast as Leonhard. But he's a much better athlete. Way Stronger and has the height and hops to compete on jump balls that Jimmy couldn't get to with a ladder. But Leonhard's a smart, seasoned veteran and that's why he's the better option for now.[/quote]

This is a recurring theme I see a lot on this board about Jim Leonhard: that he's a great football player but not a great athlete. But that's just not true. He [i]is[/i] a great football player, but he's also a great athlete. Leonhard's not a track athlete but he's fast as heck on the field, and it's evident if you watch him make moves on punt returns. Yes he's only 185 pounds, so his lack of inertia is a serious disadvantage. But he can still bench 325 pounds, and rep 225 19 times, so it's not like he's weak. Jimmy also has a 36.5 inch vertical. Think about it: he can dunk a basketball, at 5'8"!! Zbikowski has a 32 inch vertical at 5'11'', so Leonhard can actually get higher than Zbikowski. So much for him needing a ladder to compete...

Zbikowski has great measurables and is probably a fine football player, but don't sell Jimmy's short on his athleticism.

And in my honest opinion Leonhard is a a better returner than Zbikowski and as much if not more of a ball-hawk.

EDIT: Although for full disclosure, I do have a massive man crush on Jim Leonhard...

[T-Sizzle55]

[quote name='wayne' post='116918' date='Jan 2 2009, 10:46 PM']I personality feel Leonard is doing at good job and we have the Safety from Notre Dame who is suppose to be more athletic than Dawan or Leonard ( You can't teach athletic ability) but I know Dawan was playing good when he was healthy.


Will Dawan immediately get his position back upon return or not?[/quote]

[color="#000000"]As soon as a player get's hurt people forget who they are and what they are capable of. Look up Dawan Landry's stats from his 2006 rookie season. He had better stars than Ed Reed. The coaches said he had one of the best off-seasons on the team and improved mroe than any player they have ever seen. He filled in for Reed's role as the leader of the secondary when Ed was out for OTAs and TC. It's a crying shame we lost him so early into the season because he was due for a HUGE year. He's only 26 and the best person to take over for Reed.

[b][u]2006 SEASON[/u][/b]
PLAYER G | TOT | SOLO | AST | PD | SACK FF | REC | INT | YDS | TD
Dawan 16| 69 || 48 ||| | 21 || 11 || |3.0 || 0 ||| 0 ||| 5 ||| 101 || 1
Reed || 16| 60 || 52 |||||| 8 |||| 9 || |0.0 || 1 ||| 0 ||| 5 |||| 70 || 1
[/color]

[neepo13]

The Ravens are going to have some tough decisions to make. Obviously, Reed, Zibby, and Haruki stay. Reed is Reed. Its to early to give up on a 3rd round pick so Zibby stays, and Haruki doesnt cost much to keep. Plus if we cut him we wont get him back.

But then we've got Landry, Leonhard, and Stone who are all FA's next year. Landry is an RFA, so unless someone gives us a pick for him he stays. Leonhard has been to valuable depth wise to let him go and Stone has been a monster special teams guy for us, almost every time the ball gets pinned inside the 5 yard line on punts he's the guy that downs it.

We realistically dont have room to carry 6 safty's. I'd hate to be Ozzie Newsome come the offseason.

[T-Sizzle55]

[quote name='MKdave' post='119779' date='Jan 4 2009, 07:43 PM']He's [Zbikowski] probably about as fast as Leonhard. But he's a much better athlete. Way Stronger and has the height and hops to compete on jump balls that Jimmy couldn't get to with a ladder. But Leonhard's a smart, seasoned veteran and that's why he's the better option for now.[/quote]

Leonhard has the Spud Webb gene, he can dunk on a 10 foot rim. He might out jump everyone on the secondary or at least come close. If Jim times it just right he can win a jump ball.

I can't find the video on YouTube.com of him dunking anymore, but I did try to include the link for you.

[Raven07]

well when he does in fact come back and play for us once more, what do you suppose we will do?..... well of course we'll keep on playing, though the current players that are "filling" in for some of our injured players have exceptional playmaking ability and also have the ability to get after the ball and jar it loose or just make a play for this defense to continue being what its been known for for so so long. Just because One player is healthy doesnt mean that we'll necessarily get rid the of his replacements, on the contrary, This is what Ozzie and the entire staff wanted all along (this goes for all players at all postions for us right now)....what am i referring to? well its quite simple really.... Depth, we now know for a fact that our back up players can come in and fill the void and maintain the same level of competitive play if not elevate the play making ability that much more... that much further
Our main goal from the very start of the season (as well as seasons past) was to not only get good starter quality players to come in and play at a continual high level but also have the players on the bench whom can come in at any point in time on any given day and excel at the position, therefore thus resulting in no loss of play between one to the next.


Ozzie and his Staff, continually stressed time and time again that you can never have enough players at one position, and to have brought in the players we did and sign them like we did a nd have them play like we have thus far, this should have been more than apparent from the very start of it all.... the Ravens are tied for what? second? first? Third? for the most starters/players on Injured Reserve, when player after player went down as the weeks went on, sure we could have just given up and we could have just said "well our starters not in there and is done for the season.... we're done for the season" type deal. but did we?....... i'll wait for you to decide.... i'll be patient..... take for your time...... Exactly...... We as a team brought in the players whom we thought fit us best and play to our strengths best/ most of all, JUST in case something was to happen and boy are all looking like guru's and geniuses now. We are still a very deadly team right now and one not to be taken lightly, our players we bring in are here for one purpose and one purpose only.....to perform and work as a team out there and the smart decisions that our front office made during the offseason clearly has many... MANY people doubling back on their words (like i continually stressed a while back) everyone thinks and believes one thing and jumps off the bandwagon because of an off year and start making bold and irratic/irrational assumptions, " oh i think they wont be a good team this year because of this.. .this ... and of course this... " and blah blah blah.... this is the NFL people..... and us Ravens have had many of the doubters out there doubling back on their words, saying things like " oh oh uhh ialways knew they had the talent, i just didnt believe they were to do it this early" or whatever well if you didnt think they had the talent and the personel out there to get the job done and done right, and if you didnt think that we could be in this position at this point in our season while say... the COLTS whom many of you picked to go the Superbowl, lost last week to the Chargers, well then i would just have to say that its just a sad sad football world we live in right now....... never stop believing.......NEVER stop .......for your team.

Thus i say again......When Landry comes back.. there is no need to worry about anything, we still have the players we had before, and we know they can fill in at any time when their number is called upon. I mean if anything we will be gaining that much more from both depth and experience as well as pure athletic talent and internal drive to succeed. So when Landry comes back, along with everyone else.... well this team will certainly be that much more of a force out there on the football field than (perhaps) before.

[Marcus]

Landry will be our starting SS

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