2014 Playoff game - Patriots Ineligible Receiver Shenanigans

[The Mom Gene]

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/Patriots-Ineligible-Receiver-Trick-Under-Rule-Change-Review/1fd6ef17-fbc2-4caa-af5c-2488ac350d56

 

I'm thinking this is a good thing.....  The NFL Owners are reviewing the possibility of a rule change and possibly not allowing an Offensive Player with an Eligible Receiver Number to report in as ineligible.

 

Thoughts?

[gooftroop]

Looks like the NFL will take Brady's advice and "study the rule book and figure it out". On a side note- didn't the league already institute some changes after the Ravens-Pats game? Something along the lines of not allowing a last-second change in eligiblity, and making sure the refs give the defense time to react to the change?

Edited March 19, 2015 by gooftroop

[bMore Heathen]

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/Patriots-Ineligible-Receiver-Trick-Under-Rule-Change-Review/1fd6ef17-fbc2-4caa-af5c-2488ac350d56

I'm thinking this is a good thing..... The NFL Owners are reviewing the possibility of a rule change and possibly not allowing an Offensive Player with an Eligible Receiver Number to report in as ineligible.

Thoughts?

Good. It's funny how many rules have changed because of NE. I'm sure Brady and BB will spend the offseason figuring out new ways to cheat themselves to winning another SB....

[The Mom Gene]

Looks like the NFL will take Brady's advice and "study the rule book and figure it out". On a side note- didn't the league already institute some changes after the Ravens-Pats game? Something along the lines of not allowing a last-second change in eligiblity, and making sure the refs give the defense time to react to the change?

Yes, they did...  for the Colts...  after the fact.  And Bellicheat knew that would happen too.  He did it as long as he could get away with it.

[The Mom Gene]

My comment in the Blogs is very appropriate...  When your coach has enough pull to have the goal posts extended 5 feet, because they lost to us;  When your QB has enough pull that a rule is established called "The Brady Rule"; and when you have enough pull to go to a Super Bowl (or 2 or 3) because you break the rules...  You too, could be playing for the Patriots, in today's National Football League.

[Willbacker]

If they change the rules it'll show what most people and the NFL really thought of that lowdown stategy

[allblackraven]

Good. It's funny how many rules have changed because of NE. I'm sure Brady and BB will spend the offseason figuring out new ways to cheat themselves to winning another SB....

 

Looks like they won't have to - nothing's happening with their latest venture, they can just keep deflating the balls.

[Crabcakes&Football]

Meh. Too late. Bill and Kraft will probably support the rule change anyway, it's already served it's purpose. Just like deflategate which seems all but blown over.

[Tank 92]

cheaters

[cobrajet]

Yes, they did...  for the Colts...  after the fact.  And Bellicheat knew that would happen too.  He did it as long as he could get away with it.

It is funny how the NFL had dragged it's feet on the whole under-inflated footballs scandal and now I bet a dollar to a doughnut the whole thing will just be swept under the rug.

[The Mom Gene]

It is funny how the NFL had dragged it's feet on the whole under-inflated footballs scandal and now I bet a dollar to a doughnut the whole thing will just be swept under the rug.

I said that too Cobra.

[HoldingCall]

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/Patriots-Ineligible-Receiver-Trick-Under-Rule-Change-Review/1fd6ef17-fbc2-4caa-af5c-2488ac350d56

 

I'm thinking this is a good thing.....  The NFL Owners are reviewing the possibility of a rule change and possibly not allowing an Offensive Player with an Eligible Receiver Number to report in as ineligible.

 

Thoughts?

Yes! This is a good study. I will hope they do the right thing for the game and put an end to this.

[BmoreBird22]

I don't think the Patriots cheated in any way. It was sneaky and definitely took trickery to win, but there's nothing in the rules against it, yet.

However, I like the rule change. It's just not fair to keep switching up who's eligible and who's not if the defense doesn't get the memo as well. If the Patriots want to keep doing it, what ever, just make sure the opponent has a chance to get set up in response.

[jaege]

I don't think the Patriots cheated in any way. It was sneaky and definitely took trickery to win, but there's nothing in the rules against it, yet.

However, I like the rule change. It's just not fair to keep switching up who's eligible and who's not if the defense doesn't get the memo as well. If the Patriots want to keep doing it, what ever, just make sure the opponent has a chance to get set up in response.

 

 

You are right. They didn't cheat as far as the ineligible receiver thing. Deflate gate is a whole different issue. But it was underhanded and sneaky and definitely contrary to both the spirit of the game and good sportsmanship.

 

Not that a rules change will make any difference. I am certain that BB is already in deep study with the rule book in order to find some other "non-cheating" way to circumvent the rules.

[BmoreBird22]

You are right. They didn't cheat as far as the ineligible receiver thing. Deflate gate is a whole different issue. But it was underhanded and sneaky and definitely contrary to both the spirit of the game and good sportsmanship.

 

Not that a rules change will make any difference. I am certain that BB is already in deep study with the rule book in order to find some other "non-cheating" way to circumvent the rules.

I absolutely agree that it was crap and it was completely unfair to the Ravens.

You can't really fault him for at least being extremely dedicated to innovation

[jaege]

I absolutely agree that it was crap and it was completely unfair to the Ravens.

You can't really fault him for at least being extremely dedicated to innovation

 

 

He does innovate all right. And he is a master of the game and the rules. The thing is the rules are not meant to be twisted in such a way. The game is supposed to be a competition that pits two teams of elite athletes against each other skill vs skill. Not between a couple of old men pouring over ancient books of rules trying to figure out a way to "innovate".

[BmoreBird22]

He does innovate all right. And he is a master of the game and the rules. The thing is the rules are not meant to be twisted in such a way. The game is supposed to be a competition that pits two teams of elite athletes against each other skill vs skill. Not between a couple of old men pouring over ancient books of rules trying to figure out a way to "innovate".

As the old saying goes, all is fair in love and war

[allblackraven]

As the old saying goes, all is fair in love and war

The only fair thing we could do now would be to re-sign Pollard, then wait until January to return a favour.

[redrum52]

The only fair thing we could do now would be to re-sign Pollard, then wait until January to return a favour.

Wouldn't mind that...

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

I am just happy that as of now it looks like both BilliCHEAT and Brady look like they are going to be with the Patriots next season

no one is retiring because the Ravens have unfinished buisnes with the cheaters next season. I would just like it to be at M&T for a change. As far as the rule change I like it there has been a lot of valid points about it in this forum. The Patriots and Brady seem to get away with some things all the way back to the tuck rule when the Raiders got the shaft. Does it seem like a lot of the things the Patriots get away with seem to be during the post season? 

[Tank 92]

While the substitution itself didn't violate the letter of the rule, it was deception and violated the spirit of the rule. Deceiving the refs and opponent alone is cheating and no matter how you rationalize it, they are cheaters.

[gooftroop]

Look, Belichick knew he could only get away with this for so long, and he knew part of the plan was to fool not only the defense, but the refs- that's why he waited until he was in trouble, in the biggest game of the year, against an opponent who had given his team fits.

[Guest]

You fool other teams with alignments, not declaring receivers ineligible and giving no one time to decipher the ploy.  It was typical New England Patriots.  That's the way that deceitful organization rolls.  Always has, always will under Belicheat.

 

Add in the football pressure scheme and you have the most dishonest team in the NFL rewarded again.  How that affirmative cheating can go by the boards without discipline is beyond me and merely says to the other owners..."do whatever you wish". ..its incredulous.

 

I won't be surprised if nothing is done to discipline the cheaters because the NFL Commissioner is a very beholding position and because of that it  is corrupt.  Remember when Tomlin interfered with Jacoby Jones and there was talk of disciplining the Steelers so that cheating or misconduct would be discouraged in the future?   Remember nothing was done in that regard?  The NFL may sanction the ball boy.

 

"And so it goes"

 

 

While the substitution itself didn't violate the letter of the rule, it was deception and violated the spirit of the rule. Deceiving the refs and opponent alone is cheating and no matter how you rationalize it, they are cheaters.

 

 

Look, Belichick knew he could only get away with this for so long, and he knew part of the plan was to fool not only the defense, but the refs- that's why he waited until he was in trouble, in the biggest game of the year, against an opponent who had given his team fits.

Edited March 21, 2015 by Danny D

[ratedr]

Patriots are known cheaters, have been for over a decade, but I just can't care about this anymore. Old news.

[RavensFanMania]

I absolutely agree that it was crap and it was completely unfair to the Ravens.

You can't really fault him for at least being extremely dedicated to innovation

Well as Al Davis said back in the 70s, "if You're Not Cheating You're Not Trying"

Edited March 21, 2015 by RavensFanMania

[K-Dog]

Has anyone noticed deflate-gate is pretty much swept under the rug?

..... shocker ......

:-/

[BmoreBird22]

Well as Al Davisn said back in the 70s, "if You're Not Cheating You're Not Trying"

I just can't view it as cheating because it didn't actually break a rule. Was it very ticky tack and unfair to the Ravens because it was brand new? Yes, very much so, but that doesn't make it illegal or cheating. I'm glad it's getting resolved so that the games will be more fair, but hey, again, I can't fault the Patriots for being very innovative

[Tank 92]

I just can't view it as cheating because it didn't actually break a rule. Was it very ticky tack and unfair to the Ravens because it was brand new? Yes, very much so, but that doesn't make it illegal or cheating. I'm glad it's getting resolved so that the games will be more fair, but hey, again, I can't fault the Patriots for being very innovative

"very innovative"? lol Coming up with ways to game the rules is hardly a form of innovation. It's unethical and deceitful behavior that is looked down upon in most of the civilized world.

[BmoreBird22]

"very innovative"? lol Coming up with ways to game the rules is hardly a form of innovation. It's unethical and deceitful behavior that is looked down upon in most of the civilized world.

Did the rules prevent it? Did it draw a penalty? No? Oh, yeah, didn't realize styling the rules and coming up with something new wasn't innovative

[BmoreBird22]

Would anyone have had an issue with this if the referees had given the Ravens ample time to set up and slowed down the pace to make sure the substitutions were told to the defense? No, probably not. I don't think anyone should have an issue with the rule, just how it was executed by the refs