Webby Restructures

[Sizzlebshu]

Probably for carry over or emergency purposes

[ravensdfan]

 

Jason La Canfora ‏@JasonLaCanfora  1m1 minute ago

This wasn't a normal restructuring that puts the same money in player's pocket, and actually puts it there sooner. Webb taking less to stay

 

Okay lets give Webb some serious props for this

 

Absolutely. Big props to Webby.

 

Have high hopes for him this upcoming season. He was starting to look more and more like his old self down the line.

[Tiz]

Lardarius Webb ‏@LWebb21 3m3 minutes ago

Thanks @Ravens fans for all the support. #Raven4life

And thank you webb for the team friendly move

[A Fish Called Yanda]

 

Lardarius Webb ‏@LWebb21  3m3 minutes ago

Thanks @Ravens fans for all the support. #Raven4life

 

 

I hope he doesn't read this forum lolz.

[rmw10]

Thank you, Webb.  Team player through and through.

[paulhs94]

So how much cap space do we have now that Webb restructured?

[sflegend89]

Serious respect for Webb

[Tyler]

So are we erasing the previous Webb thread? lol

[SuggsBarber]

Thanks Webby.Hopefully the front office will show you the same regard in the future.

[baltimorefan328]

Probably for carry over or emergency purposes

yeah was going to say this, Ravens typically like to carry over 3-5 million during the season for emergency signings (and a good thing they had that last year)

[Jon_21]

If he indeed took pay cuts to $6/year I think that is great news and good on him.  Webby meant it when he said he wants to be a Raven for life. 

 

Would bring his cap numbers to:

 

2015 - $10M (from $12M)

2016 - $10M (from $12M)

2017 - $8.5M (from $12.5M)

 

I think we can all agree that Webb can probably easily get $6M/year on the open market and I would even be suprised if it was close to $8-9M after seeing the contracts that Tramon Williams, Skrine, Cromartie, Maxwell got. 

[FlocksGottaFeed]

I'm thinking Webb and Jimmy will be one of the most talked about shutdown CB tandoms in the league this season. A lot of us know you're worth more although we don't have the cap to show it. Just do what you do with Jimmy by your side this season and make the haters your motivators.

 

Thanks LW.

[Tank 92]

Let's wake up and smell the coffee here...lol. Webb did nothing "for the good of the team". if he didn't restructure he would have been a post June 1 cut. To be frank, if we were not in cap hell and have limited options at CB, he would have already been down the road.

That said, I hope Webby finds his game and earns any and all incentives that pays him more on this deal. But that hope is tempered by the disappointment of the past 4 years. It unfortunately seems that he has peanut butter for joints.

[ravensnick]

Let's wake up and smell the coffee here...lol. Webb did nothing "for the good of the team". if he didn't restructure he would have been a post June 1 cut. To be frank, if we were not in cap hell and have limited options at CB, he would have already been down the road.

That said, I hope Webby finds his game and earns any and all incentives that pays him more on this deal. But that hope is tempered by the disappointment of the past 4 years. It unfortunately seems that he has peanut butter for joints.

Why would he be cut? Who would we spent the money on post June 1st? He gave up 2.5 million dollars. Thats a fair amount of money that shouldn't just be scoffed at. In all honest, he probably will be cut after this season, but he is making sacrifices for the team. Respectable. 

[B-more Ravor]

It's too early to tell the amount of relief, without knowing exactly how the $6M to be paid this year is structured.

If it's just a straight base salary pay cut from $8M to $6M, then the savings would be $2M.

But, if years were added and part of the $6M was a bonus to be prorated over, say, 4 or 5 years, the savings for 2015 would be more (as much as $6M perhaps).

So, as always, the devil is in the details, which will hopefully come out soon.

[Tank 92]

Why would he be cut? Who would we spent the money on post June 1st? He gave up 2.5 million dollars. Thats a fair amount of money that shouldn't just be scoffed at. In all honest, he probably will be cut after this season, but he is making sacrifices for the team. Respectable.

There is no way in this world we would have carried him at a $12 mil. cap hit. He would have been cut and would not have received anything much guaranteed from anyone else considering his injury history. Of course, he gets the guaranteed portion from the Ravens. If I'm not mistaken, we would have saved $8 mil. post June 1 that possibly could have gone a long way in deferring expenses with Joe, Yanda, J. Smith, etc..

lol. Don't fool yourself. Webb is not sacrificing anything. Either he restructured or would he have been cut and ultimately lost $.

[Tank 92]

It's too early to tell the amount of relief, without knowing exactly how the $6M to be paid this year is structured.

If it's just a straight base salary pay cut from $8M to $6M, then the savings would be $2M.

But, if years were added and part of the $6M was a bonus to be prorated over, say, 4 or 5 years, the savings for 2015 would be more (as much as $6M perhaps).

So, as always, the devil is in the details, which will hopefully come out soon.

Thank You sir.

I think when details are revealed it will become apparent who held the high hand here and the thought that Webb has made some sort of sacrifice for the team proven false.

[ravensnick]

There is no way in this world we would have carried him at a $12 mil. cap hit. He would have been cut and would not have received anything much guaranteed from anyone else considering his injury history. Of course, he gets the guaranteed portion from the Ravens. If I'm not mistaken, we would have saved $8 mil. post June 1 that possibly could have gone a long way in deferring expenses with Joe, Yanda, J. Smith, etc..

lol. Don't fool yourself. Webb is not sacrificing anything. Either he restructured or would he have been cut and ultimately lost $.

And what is the point of having free money if we have no one to spend it on?

[Tank 92]

And what is the point of having free money if we have no one to spend it on?

Obviously I'm not getting through here. I'll let someone else explain.

[ravensnick]

Obviously I'm not getting through here. I'll let someone else explain.

Ok, you want it to get extended to Jimmy, Yanda, and tuck. Solid point. I'd be fine with this but, we need one talented CB as is, and if we cut Webb we will need two. I don't trust a guy like Melvin and we aren't getting two high quality CBs through the draft. The FA market for CB is dry. If we can trade for a guy, then draft a guy, I'd be cool with it, but if we cut Webb with an not vastly improved sitution, we are left with Jimmy, who has quite an injury history, mostly likely a rookie or two, Asa, and Melvin. That would be a very, very bad idea.

[Runnin Raven]

Well I love the guy, been following him since his rookie training camp out of tiny Nicholls state.  When healthy he is an extremely dynamic, athletic, talented playmaking corner.  Impressed that he chose to restructure the way he did.  This seals my over the top fandom, lol.

[Tru11]

There is no way in this world we would have carried him at a $12 mil. cap hit. He would have been cut and would not have received anything much guaranteed from anyone else considering his injury history. Of course, he gets the guaranteed portion from the Ravens. If I'm not mistaken, we would have saved $8 mil. post June 1 that possibly could have gone a long way in deferring expenses with Joe, Yanda, J. Smith, etc..

lol. Don't fool yourself. Webb is not sacrificing anything. Either he restructured or would he have been cut and ultimately lost $.

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/Reports-Ravens-Lardarius-Webb-Restructures-Contract/e546159d-c1f1-457d-a666-3ddea43ad8a9

 

id say read the report.

it certainly doesn't support what you say.

 

so can you please drop your hate campaign against webb.

 

I think we all get it that you hate him.

[B-more Ravor]

@RavensInsider 5m5 minutes ago

Lardarius Webb restructure includes $5.5 million guaranteed, including a $3 million bonus, according to league source

 

Based on this, it would appear that perhaps his base salary would be $2.5M.  That would, if the prior reports of $6M this year were accurate (and not just someone rounding up), mean that the other $500K was probably incentives.

 

As such, the Cap savings would be more in the $4-4.5M range than the $2M that it appeared upon the initially reported numbers.  The $500K difference would depend on whether the incentives count in 2015 or not (LTBE or NTLBE?).

[HomeoftheBRAVENS]

Let's wake up and smell the coffee here...lol. Webb did nothing "for the good of the team". if he didn't restructure he would have been a post June 1 cut. To be frank, if we were not in cap hell and have limited options at CB, he would have already been down the road.

That said, I hope Webby finds his game and earns any and all incentives that pays him more on this deal. But that hope is tempered by the disappointment of the past 4 years. It unfortunately seems that he has peanut butter for joints.

 

 

I'm not sure why you got so many red arrows.You're speaking the truth and I was just coming here to say that.Had Webb not taken that $2 million pay cut we would've just cut him june 1st when we're trying to sign our draft picks and pick up some players post june 1st like we did with Daryl Smith.It doesn't hurt you with comp picks if you sign a player after june 1st.In that scenario we would've only had to pay him $4 million and I doubt he would find a team willing to give him the money he'll make on the rest of his current contract.Especially not that late in the year when teams have already spent all they wanted to spend.I think he knew all of this and that's why he made the comment he made the other day.He said if they were willing to trade Ngata then he knows he's going to be next.

[Tank 92]

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/Reports-Ravens-Lardarius-Webb-Restructures-Contract/e546159d-c1f1-457d-a666-3ddea43ad8a9

id say read the report.

it certainly doesn't support what you say.

so can you please drop your hate campaign against webb.

I think we all get it that you hate him.

I have no "hate" for Webb and only hope he succeeds. It's just hard to sit back and read that "he's sacrificing for the team" and "what a great guy for taking a cut to help the team", etc. when there's not an ounce of truth to it. The fact is if he didn't restructure he would no longer be a Raven.

He's been overpaid to this point for what he has contributed. Let's all hope moving forward he can perform well and help the Ravens to succeed. Not "hate", just the truth.

[Tru11]

I have no "hate" for Webb and only hope he succeeds. It's just hard to sit back and read that "he's sacrificing for the team" and "what a great guy for taking a cut to help the team", etc. when there's not an ounce of truth to it. The fact is if he didn't restructure he would no longer be a Raven.

He's been overpaid to this point for what he has contributed. Let's all hope moving forward he can perform well and help the Ravens to succeed. Not "hate", just the truth.

 

and no longer be a raven would hurt him in what way?

 

if they cut him he would be the best CB on the market and would get much better offers then what he got from the ravens.

 

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/cornerback/

 

if he was an actual FA he would get a deal at least similar to skrine or house.

both got almost double the guaranteed money then webb got with his restructure and id love to see you argue they are better cbs then webb lol.

 

also keep in mind that according to the CBA teams must spend at least 89% of the cap.

there are at least 8 teams who still have over 20 mil in cap space and all of them could use a quality CB.

 

there isent a better time to be an FA then now tbh since teams have lots of cap space they must spend lol.

 

he did what he he had to , to remain a raven and he still has the risk to being cut next season.

he would have been better off being cut and thus finding some more long term security in FA.

[Tank 92]

and no longer be a raven would hurt him in what way?

 

if they cut him he would be the best CB on the market and would get much better offers then what he got from the ravens.

 

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/cornerback/

 

if he was an actual FA he would get a deal at least similar to skrine or house.

both got almost double the guaranteed money then webb got with his restructure and id love to see you argue they are better cbs then webb lol.

 

also keep in mind that according to the CBA teams must spend at least 89% of the cap.

there are at least 8 teams who still have over 20 mil in cap space and all of them could use a quality CB.

 

there isent a better time to be an FA then now tbh since teams have lots of cap space they must spend lol.

 

he did what he he had to , to remain a raven and he still has the risk to being cut next season.

he would have been better off being cut and thus finding some more long term security in FA.

I know zero about Skrine or House, but would bet that neither has the health concerns that Webb has had and also bet they haven't missed a huge amount of games during their NFL careers as Webb has.

You're making assumptions that apparently Webby and his agent didn't ascribe to. You don't think they put feelers out to determine interest and worth? If they thought he would have been better off being cut that's the road that would have been followed. You're just kidding yourself by thinking otherwise.

[RobFuseRaven]

I know zero about Skrine or House, but would bet that neither has the health concerns that Webb has had and also bet they haven't missed a huge amount of games during their NFL careers as Webb has.

You're making assumptions that apparently Webby and his agent didn't ascribe to. You don't think they put feelers out to determine interest and worth? If they thought he would have been better off being cut that's the road that would have been followed. You're just kidding yourself by thinking otherwise.

 

You're also making assumptions. You don't know Webb's motives for taking a paycut. Maybe he does get paid less money as a free agent and this is a smart move, but maybe he legitimately wants to be a Raven. All we can do is assume. As a fanbase we like to think our players want to be here. I don't see the harm in that. After all, he did say, "There is no place I would rather be than here. I’m loved here, the organization loves me, I love them. And I know I can improve on some of my play. I didn’t have my greatest season last year, but I’m a Raven. I’m a Raven for life."

[redrum52]

You're also making assumptions. You don't know Webb's motives for taking a paycut. Maybe he does get paid less money as a free agent and this is a smart move, but maybe he legitimately wants to be a Raven. All we can do is assume. As a fanbase we like to think our players want to be here. I don't see the harm in that. After all, he did say, "There is no place I would rather be than here. I’m loved here, the organization loves me, I love them. And I know I can improve on some of my play. I didn’t have my greatest season last year, but I’m a Raven. I’m a Raven for life."

That Raven for life thing is like showing up on Talking dead. You might not be around much longer. I remember Boldin saying he'd retire before playing for another team or something along those lines... I'm m just happy something was worked out and he's here. Just hoping Jimmy doesn't need a lot of time to get back into a rhythm because Webb was playing well down the stretch. If we can get a full season out of both of them, the defense should be much improved.

[Tank 92]

You're also making assumptions. You don't know Webb's motives for taking a paycut. Maybe he does get paid less money as a free agent and this is a smart move, but maybe he legitimately wants to be a Raven. All we can do is assume. As a fanbase we like to think our players want to be here. I don't see the harm in that. After all, he did say, "There is no place I would rather be than here. I’m loved here, the organization loves me, I love them. And I know I can improve on some of my play. I didn’t have my greatest season last year, but I’m a Raven. I’m a Raven for life."

True, I am assuming an individual wants to maximize their earnings and get paid what they think they are worth. I think that's probably a pretty safe assumption, especially given the limited window of earning potential for an NFL player.

And I do think, as well, that the Ravens are one of the better organizations to play for, guys want to play here and stay here. But will they sacrifice millions to do so? My realistic assumption is no.