Ladarius Webb reacts to fan

[codizzle]

Can confirm that Bernard Pierce and Matt Elam definitely run their own social media.

Yea pretty sure I would never pay someone to tweet #EatGreedy and/or generic incomplete veiled statements

[ravensnick]

Yea pretty sure I would never pay someone to tweet #EatGreedy and/or generic incomplete veiled statements

Who knows, maybe after retiring from football in a couple years, Elam strikes gold over his #EatGreedy trademark. 

[ravensdfan]

Telling a person that has fought for this country to go back overseas (to a war zone) is uncalled for, no matter how you spin it.  Whether or not you support the wars that this country wages, our soldiers see unspeakable things out there on the battlefield, and simply because this guy asked Webb to play up to his contract is zero justification for Webb to tell him to go back to the hellhole that our soldiers are sent into.  What Webb said was insensitive, ignorant and idiotic.  Period.

Original post said nothing about being a soldier. Just stated when they were overseas. Same thing others were trying to claim.

[ravensdfan]

His account was shutdown? So the guy was a troll who never identified himself as a vet?

Pretty much.

[Tank 92]

Definitely a valid point. Teams have no problem letting over performers ride out rookie contracts but are quick to try to restructure a player who's not living up to their big contract. Ultimately it's the team that holds the power though, all a player on a rookie contract/under value contract can do is hold out or request a trade which usually doesn't end well anyway for the player. A team on the other hand can release or trade a player who refuses to restructure and that's significantly more leverage than the player has.

 

I feel like our FO doesn't quite know what to do with Webb yet. They figured him into our plans for 2015 and probably expected a successful restructure because he's played so far under his contract value. Now things get interesting because we certainly don't want to eat that 12M cap hit on him but trading/releasing him is going to further complicate FA/draft.

You can bet the Ravens won't carry Webb's $12 mil. cap hit. I think if he is a post June 1 cut they would carry $4 mil. Dead money this year, $6 mil. next year.

Question. How would a pending release /trade complicate FA or the draft?

[The Mom Gene]

Presuming that Webb possibly could have been slightly insulted by the comment that he used to be the favorite from a fan who didn't think he has lived up to his vision of him, by not sacrificing part of his salary for the good of the team since he hadn't been able to play out his contract by missing time...that was insensitive comment to make to a player as it would indicate the poster either didn't understand or comprehend the sacrifices Webb has made to even get back on the field in the first place.  It was also insensitive on Webby's behalf to overlook the sacrifices of the military that they make on a daily basis as well. 

An unfortunate incident for all concerned by reacting to obviously personal emotional issues thinking of their own situations, without considering the perspectives of the other.  Both, that weren't quite as well thought out as they should have been. A very sad misunderstanding on both parts imho.

 

Personally, I think there are a lot of similarities between Webby's fight to overcome the adversities he has had to overcome in in life and his professional football career, and the adversities that military members face in the performance of duties.  It is unfortunate that this situation has brought out the negatives, rather than the positives of the sacrifices of both involved in this situation, as the positives far outweigh the negatives in relations to the courage, dedication and sacrifices of both.

Well Said Grapple!!!

[FlocksGottaFeed]

Pretty much.

Wow. Social media can sometimes be polarizing for no good reason.

[Purple Punishment]

Presuming that Webb possibly could have been slightly insulted by the comment that he used to be the favorite from a fan who didn't think he has lived up to his vision of him, by not sacrificing part of his salary for the good of the team since he hadn't been able to play out his contract by missing time...that was insensitive comment to make to a player as it would indicate the poster either didn't understand or comprehend the sacrifices Webb has made to even get back on the field in the first place. It was also insensitive on Webby's behalf to overlook the sacrifices of the military that they make on a daily basis as well.

An unfortunate incident for all concerned by reacting to obviously personal emotional issues thinking of their own situations, without considering the perspectives of the other. Both, that weren't quite as well thought out as they should have been. A very sad misunderstanding on both parts imho.

Personally, I think there are a lot of similarities between Webby's fight to overcome the adversities he has had to overcome in in life and his professional football career, and the adversities that military members face in the performance of duties. It is unfortunate that this situation has brought out the negatives, rather than the positives of the sacrifices of both involved in this situation, as the positives far outweigh the negatives in relations to the courage, dedication and sacrifices of both.

Webb makes millions of dollars and eats good meals daily. He has incredible amenities in his home. He doesn't get shot at daily. His friends don't get blown up daily. Nobody on his team loses limbs, gets combat PTSD or has to worry about anything other than recovering and playing football to be set for life.

I think your comparison of Webbs football adversities to a soldier that's deployed is terrible on every single level. I doubt you meant any harm but his adversities are nothing compared to what WE face "overseas" when Webb has to do without his luxurious life and his millions of dollars and get shot at or worry about his life ending daily, then maybe we can try to compare.

[Tiz]

You can bet the Ravens won't carry Webb's $12 mil. cap hit. I think if he is a post June 1 cut they would carry $4 mil. Dead money this year, $6 mil. next year.

Question. How would a pending release /trade complicate FA or the draft?

If it was that big of a deal they could release him now and designate him as a post June 1st cut

[ravensnick]

Webb makes millions of dollars and eats good meals daily.

He also has a skill set that <1% of the US has. Market Value insists that if the supply is low then the demand will be high. If the demand was high, the price will be high as well. He deserves his money. He worked for it. I don't see it as a "I hate the military" type response but a "You don't know me, get out of my face" type. That being said, he needs to know better than to engage a person like that. 

[BmoreBird22]

Pretty much.

Most people who reference themselves as being overseas are military... I think it's commonplace enough

[ravensnick]

Most people who reference themselves as being overseas are military... I think it's commonplace enough

yeah, it is pretty rare to go on vacation and say 'I'm going to be overseas."

[ravensdfan]

yeah, it is pretty rare to go on vacation and say 'I'm going to be overseas."

The account was deleted so clearly a troll. And while people do not say "I am going overseas" they most certainly do say "I was overseas" if they were on vacation and have returned.

 

I also love how everyone says Webb should conduct himself better as an athlete but feel as a soldier this guy shouldn't have to conduct himself better. Odd to me as I would think a soldier is more a role model to hold up to our young than an athlete. What do I know though.

[codizzle]

Webb makes millions of dollars and eats good meals daily. He has incredible amenities in his home. He doesn't get shot at daily. His friends don't get blown up daily. Nobody on his team loses limbs, gets combat PTSD or has to worry about anything other than recovering and playing football to be set for life.

I think your comparison of Webbs football adversities to a soldier that's deployed is terrible on every single level. I doubt you meant any harm but his adversities are nothing compared to what WE face "overseas" when Webb has to do without his luxurious life and his millions of dollars and get shot at or worry about his life ending daily, then maybe we can try to compare.

Amen.. I'm sure grapple didn't mean it as it came across so I won't jump to conclusions and add anything except say that I completely agree with your statement here 100%

[GrimCoconut]

I like how people throw around the term "soldier" when they don't know what branch they served. Don't call a sailor, marine or airman a "soldier," because they're not.

[sflegend89]

You can bet the Ravens won't carry Webb's $12 mil. cap hit. I think if he is a post June 1 cut they would carry $4 mil. Dead money this year, $6 mil. next year.

Question. How would a pending release /trade complicate FA or the draft?

 

If we moved on from Webb another #2 corner would have to be added. Basically all the FA cb's that could be our #2 have already signed. In the draft it's basically a forgone conclusion that we will be looking to add a wr in the 1st.. if we don't add a #2 cb in FA then now we have to start discussing a cb in round 1 thus complicating the draft quite a bit (well at least the first few rounds).

 

We could also explore a trade for a new cb.. but I do think moving on from Webb complicates things for us as far as finding a suitable replacement.

[K-Dog]

You would be hard pressed to find a bigger Webb fan than my self.

 

(http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/topic/17580-lardarius-webb/?hl=webb)

 

This whole thing bothers me.  In no particular order.  I cant believe Webb took the troll bait like that.  If that was in fact Webb him self, which I have my doubts, but I will admit that could be fan filters.  It does seem out of character. 

I think what the fan said was just that.  Starting trouble.  Calling some one out about something you have no business calling them out on, on THEIR PAGE, well its just lame.  Webb should have been the bigger man.  He is, in my opinion.  He just didnt show it this time.

I expect to see some form of damage control in the next day or two.  If it was Webb I hope he owns up to it and makes amends.  

Either way, it is what it is.

[Tank 92]

If we moved on from Webb another #2 corner would have to be added. Basically all the FA cb's that could be our #2 have already signed. In the draft it's basically a forgone conclusion that we will be looking to add a wr in the 1st.. if we don't add a #2 cb in FA then now we have to start discussing a cb in round 1 thus complicating the draft quite a bit (well at least the first few rounds).

 

We could also explore a trade for a new cb.. but I do think moving on from Webb complicates things for us as far as finding a suitable replacement.

OK, right, got it.

I just don't see any way we carry him at $12 mil., even if it does complicate things. Either he restructures or he's gone.

[Gordo52]

Well, atleast Webb could care less....if he couldn't care less, then it becomes an issue to me....

In all seriousness, it's just a boring offseason. It will likely follow the same process of similar incidents... Player says something risky that will eventually regret on social media, people get feelings hurt, ensue to lash out. They delete comment and will eventually apologize to get it blown over.

I know it's hard to believe the player, who was once the apple of everybody's eye, could be so insensitive. And comments like that coming from him, of all people, who is undoubtably and I'm sure is well aware is underperforming, justify an angry reaction.

Personally, I don't care what he says on social media. As long as its not something like #EatGreedy, #FreeHernandez or #McClainForRb, I'm good. I suggest unfollowing him, or just take your *** over seas (kidding)

[Guest]

Want to give Oz credit on the Wagner acquisition.  Wagner acknowledged by the league for a cool quarter million.  Does the league really pay that bonus?....Outstanding.  Oz did have a very good draft last year, it really looks to be a knockout draft.

 

However, I am very tired of fans expecting players to renegotiate their contracts or take a pay cut when management finds itself in a tight spot. I'm very tired of our Front Office making that demand of Key Veterans as well.  It's not a one way street to ask a player like Ngata to concede his agreement, yet have no quarrel with management for cutting or trading players playing out a Contract.   

 

For those "Fans" that think the players make too much, why don't you consider asking the Owners and League to open up their books so you can have a peak?  You've got absolutely no idea!  Back to the first point, the League has so much money they can pay bonuses!

 

As far as Webb goes, more power to him. He's coming off consecutive year injuries and if he stays healthy this year, we may see the old Webby.  What I think he ought to do, because he's got management over a barrel upon our secondary woes is demand more money or hold out.

[ravensdfan]

You would be hard pressed to find a bigger Webb fan than my self.

 

(http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/topic/17580-lardarius-webb/?hl=webb)

 

This whole thing bothers me.  In no particular order.  I cant believe Webb took the troll bait like that.  If that was in fact Webb him self, which I have my doubts, but I will admit that could be fan filters.  It does seem out of character. 

I think what the fan said was just that.  Starting trouble.  Calling some one out about something you have no business calling them out on, on THEIR PAGE, well its just lame.  Webb should have been the bigger man.  He is, in my opinion.  He just didnt show it this time.

I expect to see some form of damage control in the next day or two.  If it was Webb I hope he owns up to it and makes amends.  

Either way, it is what it is.

I concur with your opinion on the situation. I just thought some were making it out to be a much bigger faux pas from Webb than it was in reality.

[sflegend89]

OK, right, got it.

I just don't see any way we carry him at $12 mil., even if it does complicate things. Either he restructures or he's gone.

 

I agree, there's no way we can take that cap hit for the product we've received on the field thus far. I think it really put's the pressure on Webb to restructure because he's said that he really wants to remain a Raven but he's not giving the front office any other choice but to trade or cut him. I think Webb was counting on our front office caving and just paying him his current contract but now it's setting in for him that we won't do that.

[ravensdfan]

I like how people throw around the term "soldier" when they don't know what branch they served. Don't call a sailor, marine or airman a "soldier," because they're not.

Not throwing it around but was the term others were using on the twitter feed. My apologies if you were offended in any way.

[Inqui]

Well, atleast Webb could care less....if he couldn't care less, then it becomes an issue to me....

In all seriousness, it's just a boring offseason. It will likely follow the same process of similar incidents... Player says something risky that will eventually regret on social media, people get feelings hurt, ensue to lash out. They delete comment and will eventually apologize to get it blown over.

I know it's hard to believe the player, who was once the apple of everybody's eye, could be so insensitive. And comments like that coming from him, of all people, who is undoubtably and I'm sure is well aware is underperforming, justify an angry reaction.

Personally, I don't care what he says on social media. As long as its not something like #EatGreedy, #FreeHernandez or #McClainForRb, I'm good. I suggest unfollowing him, or just take your *** over seas (kidding)

Yeah, better to have 11 pages of what will fizzle into a complete non-story this time next week than to have 45 pages of a star RB falling from grace.

[GrimCoconut]

Not throwing it around but was the term others were using on the twitter feed. My apologies if you were offended in any way.

Nah, I'm not offended. I just want to let people know there's a difference. Service members often get called "soldiers" generically. 

[757RavensFan]

Just curious

Have you ever worked with those enlisted?

Having grown up in a military family and later working security at a club in the area has me understand that not everyone enlisted (regardless of where stationed) deserves respect.

 

I am a 14 year Air Force vet.  So to answer your question yes.  Military members are nothing more than a much smaller section of the US population.  You have military members who you respect and those who don't deserve your respect.  That aside, the person who commented to Webb is in the military, whether he earns respect or not, bottom line he's defending our freedom.  I never said he should be respected, I just made a statement that he's defending a country that allows Webb to say what he wants. 

[Tru11]

well this thread was entertaining.

 

dont see the big deal at all but i enjoyed the read.

 

[Guest]

I agree, there's no way we can take that cap hit for the product we've received on the field thus far. I think it really put's the pressure on Webb to restructure because he's said that he really wants to remain a Raven but he's not giving the front office any other choice but to trade or cut him. I think Webb was counting on our front office caving and just paying him his current contract but now it's setting in for him that we won't do that.

 

Have to admit, I'm not an expert yet at interpreting Dead Cap from Cap Hit, but if you think you're gonna save 12 million in Cap by cutting Webb, you're sadly mistaken. 

 

My read is that Webb has 10 million in Dead Cap that will still be there even if we want to further weaken our secondary.

 

Oz would save 2 million and increase our 2015 Dead Cap to 30 million, at least 27 million of which would be going to players Not on the Field....Vapor Dollars....lol

 

If that is correct, Webb is not going anywhere this year.

[Tru11]

Have to admit, I'm not an expert yet at interpreting Dead Cap from Cap Hit, but if you think you're gonna save 12 million in Cap by cutting Webb, you're sadly mistaken. 

 

My read is that Webb has 10 million in Dead Cap that will still be there even if we want to further weaken our secondary.

 

Oz would save 2 million and increase our 2015 Dead Cap to 30 million, at least 27 million of which would be going to players Not on the Field....Vapor Dollars....lol

 

If that is correct, Webb is not going anywhere this year.

 

if they make him a post june 1 cut they would save 8 mill but carry 4 mil in dead cap next season.

that 8 mill can only be used after june 1 so no point in cutting him now.

 

also with flacco cap hit taking a huge jump next season  and no idea what is going to happen with pitta , its probably wise not to carry to much dead money over to next season.

[Guest]

if they make him a post june 1 cut they would save 8 mill but carry 4 mil in dead cap next season.

that 8 mill can only be used after june 1 so no point in cutting him now.

 

also with flacco cap hit taking a huge jump next season  and no idea what is going to happen with pitta , its probably wise not to carry to much dead money over to next season.

 

Hmmm........didn't know that..........Money paid being allocated this year, but altered on June 1?....Five full months past the 1st of the year?  What's going on a fiscal calendar for Cap that starts in June of each year? 

 

Anyway, if that is true, post free agency and draft, they could cut him. 

 

Gotta tell ya, the shorter the playing time of team veterans the easier it is to fall out of love.