Ladarius Webb reacts to fan

[ravensdan]

I think much ado is being made of nothing here.

Yeah. Is this 8 pages of comments worthy? lol. Who really cares one way or another.

[Tank 92]

When we signed Webb on that deal, this wasn't what I pictured him to give us in return.

So far, he has been mostly absent or played poorly since his big contract. Help the team and take the pay cut. Or face the inevitable.

Yeah, whether due to injuries or whatever, the Ravens basically have received one year of quality performance in exchange for a deal usually reserved for a guy who has played at an all pro level for 4 years. It doesn't seem likely he will ever live up to that deal. If he doesn't take a cut he will be gone after June 1, which is probably why he is so sensitive.

[codizzle]

+21

Haha +35

[sflegend89]

When we signed Webb on that deal, this wasn't what I pictured him to give us in return.

So far, he has been mostly absent or played poorly since his big contract. Help the team and take the pay cut. Or face the inevitable.

 

I wouldn't bat an eye if we traded or released Webb. He dang well knows his contribution to the team on the field since that contract isn't anywhere close to what he's getting paid. Ngata had a reason not to restructure, he's still playing at a high level and we just didn't have the money to pay him and make other moves.

 

Webb on the other hand has been constantly injured and when he's on the field he's played poorly like you pointed out. While I understand why Webb wants to make as much money as he can, he needs to realize if he doesn't do what is financially fair for his level of production he will be dealt with by the FO in one way or another.

[ravensdfan]

Did you guys see this? Don't know how i feel about it, but found it interesting...

 

https://instagram.com/p/0QFUHSuAHb/

 

Scroll down in the comments until you see one from douglas_moose and then webb's response.

Douglas account was deleted. Don't see that Webb really did anything wrong.

 

The guy was trolling him when he posted something about the award.

 

I "was" a fan of yours. You "were" my favorite player. "nice to see you giving back but give more to your team".

 

All he said was the guy didn't have to be his fan, he can go back overseas.

[A Fish Called Yanda]

Douglas account was deleted. Don't see that Webb really did anything wrong.

 

The guy was trolling him when he posted something about the award.

 

I "was" a fan of yours. You "were" my favorite player. "nice to see you giving back but give more to your team".

 

All he said was the guy didn't have to be his fan, he can go back overseas.

 

Telling a person that has fought for this country to go back overseas (to a war zone) is uncalled for, no matter how you spin it.  Whether or not you support the wars that this country wages, our soldiers see unspeakable things out there on the battlefield, and simply because this guy asked Webb to play up to his contract is zero justification for Webb to tell him to go back to the hellhole that our soldiers are sent into.  What Webb said was insensitive, ignorant and idiotic.  Period.

[Bltravens]

I wouldn't bat an eye if we traded or released Webb. He dang well knows his contribution to the team on the field since that contract isn't anywhere close to what he's getting paid. Ngata had a reason not to restructure, he's still playing at a high level and we just didn't have the money to pay him and make other moves.

 

Webb on the other hand has been constantly injured and when he's on the field he's played poorly like you pointed out. While I understand why Webb wants to make as much money as he can, he needs to realize if he doesn't do what is financially fair for his level of production he will be dealt with by the FO in one way or another.

Two schools of thought here but I subscribe to this one most often; team gets Russell Wilson and he blows his rookie deal out of the water for performance pay and Seattle lets him ride it as long as possible forcing Wilson on the same pay wage. Team doesn't care. Now with Webb, he gets his contract because of how he played and due to two ACL tears he doesn't live up to it, but he should give back to the team for not playing up to it? Little contradictory there. Few realize how awful football is to players in regards to salaries with other major sports. The guaranteed money clause is standard mafioso jargon.

[GrimCoconut]

I used to be a fan of Webb. I'm hoping he returns to be the player he used to be. I am a member of the United States military. I have low expectations of these players to be more than entertainers.

With that said, I have no idea if the guy is actually in the military or not. Lots of stolen valor out there. Do I think what Webb said is messed up? Yes, I certainly do. If that person really was in the military and they're suicidal or have PTSD or other mental health problems, a comment like that from Webb could certainly be a trigger.

I don't care about these comments either way. Much ado about nothing

[ravensnick]

I'm just gonna say this:

 

1. Webb messed up. Not because of what he said. He didn't even say anything that bad. He should just know better than to engage the naysayers and the trolls.

 

2. Military service doesn't give you a free pass to trash on somebody. Webb just won a major award for his work off the field and is struggling due to injuries, something he cannot control. Then, some guy just barges in, spewing about his military service and how Webb should work on improving on the field. Webb, clearly not very happy, basically said "get your butt out here, I really don't care." 

 

All being said, Webb isn't completely out of place, but there was no reason to engage an obvious troll. Athletes have insecurities and emotions too guys. 

[A Fish Called Yanda]

I used to be a fan of Webb. I'm hoping he returns to be the player he used to be. I am a member of the United States military. I have low expectations of these players to be more than entertainers.

With that said, I have no idea if the guy is actually in the military or not. Lots of stolen valor out there. Do I think what Webb said is messed up? Yes, I certainly do. If that person really was in the military and they're suicidal or have PTSD or other mental health problems, a comment like that from Webb could certainly be a trigger.

I don't care about these comments either way. Much ado about nothing

 

I found the guy's name and looked up his credentials.  He was in the Navy.

[Moderator 3]

And does he hire people to maintain his account?

Possibly. We know Flacco doesn't do his own Twitter.

[Tank 92]

Two schools of thought here but I subscribe to this one most often; team gets Russell Wilson and he blows his rookie deal out of the water for performance pay and Seattle lets him ride it as long as possible forcing Wilson on the same pay wage. Team doesn't care. Now with Webb, he gets his contract because of how he played and due to two ACL tears he doesn't live up to it, but he should give back to the team for not playing up to it? Little contradictory there. Few realize how awful football is to players in regards to salaries with other major sports. The guaranteed money clause is standard mafioso jargon.

Don't think it's a matter of "giving back to the team". He's already been overpaid commensurate with his contribution. Restructure and be given a chance to earn the extra $ through performance incentives, or take your services elsewhere. Either way, he still will have made a boatload of cash for what amounts to one year of acceptable play.

[Tank 92]

Possibly. We know Flacco doesn't do his own Twitter.

lol judging from a couple of anecdotes shared in this thread it sounds like Webby is too cheap to pay anyone to maintain his account.

[GrimCoconut]

Btw just an fyi because I'm not taking either side here but I believe that the Maryland Army National Guard is a paid sponsor of the Baltimore Ravens right?

[Bltravens]

Don't think it's a matter of "giving back to the team". He's already been overpaid commensurate with his contribution. Restructure and be given a chance to earn the extra $ through performance incentives, or take your services elsewhere. Either way, he still will have made a boatload of cash for what amounts to one year of acceptable play.

Not really what I was getting at. My point was you can't tell a guy to take a pay cut if you're not willing to tear up his contract after two years of outperforming it. Mosley balls out again next year is Ozzie going to stroll up and hand him a new one with a ton of change on it? No chance, his cap hit is miniature and his performance dictates its a filthy steal on the cap.

Why I'll never be upset when a player says to hell with you, this is a contract you agreed to.

[jazz1988]

Yeah, whether due to injuries or whatever, the Ravens basically have received one year of quality performance in exchange for a deal usually reserved for a guy who has played at an all pro level for 4 years. It doesn't seem likely he will ever live up to that deal. If he doesn't take a cut he will be gone after June 1, which is probably why he is so sensitive.

 

I didn't think his 2013 season was bad at all . Was it as good as his 2011 season? No but it was solid nonetheless.

[ravensnick]

Don't think it's a matter of "giving back to the team". He's already been overpaid commensurate with his contribution. Restructure and be given a chance to earn the extra $ through performance incentives, or take your services elsewhere. Either way, he still will have made a boatload of cash for what amounts to one year of acceptable play.

And why would Webb give up any money? He got a contract, of which he may never get another. He needs to make money for himself. The team and him both signed the contract, so why do we expect these players to be like "ok, I'll just give my money I got paid back?" That kinda wrong. Most these guys gotta made the majority of what they are gonna live off of the rest of their life in the pros and they do put themselves up to short and long term bodily harm. 

[pep_meister]

lol judging from a couple of anecdotes shared in this thread it sounds like Webby is too cheap to pay anyone to maintain his account.

lol good point. money aside. i highly highly doubt he  pays anyone to maintain his account. you can tell just by looking at someones stuff and the way they interact with other teammates and stuff. sizzle is sizzle ect. flacco doesn't have time for it.

[ravensnick]

lol good point. money aside. i highly highly doubt he  pays anyone to maintain his account. you can tell just by looking at someones stuff and the way they interact with other teammates and stuff. sizzle is sizzle ect. flacco doesn't have time for it.

Can confirm that Bernard Pierce and Matt Elam definitely run their own social media. 

[Tank 92]

Not really what I was getting at. My point was you can't tell a guy to take a pay cut if you're not willing to tear up his contract after two years of outperforming it. Mosley balls out again next year is Ozzie going to stroll up and hand him a new one with a ton of change on it? No chance, his cap hit is miniature and his performance dictates its a filthy steal on the cap.

Why I'll never be upset when a player says to hell with you, this is a contract you agreed to.

I'm not following........in either case the contract is being executed according to it's parameters. If the $ aren't guaranteed, they are not guaranteed. You're not "tearing up" his contract, but just paying out the guaranteed $ and cutting your losses.

When Webb signed the present contract he was free to wait it out to see what he could have received in free agency. In hindsight, it's obvious he made the right decision to sign when he did as he would have never earned what he has since signing the deal. No need to feel bad for him, as it appears the Ravens are the losers on this one, not Webby.

[FlocksGottaFeed]

Douglas account was deleted. Don't see that Webb really did anything wrong.

 

The guy was trolling him when he posted something about the award.

 

I "was" a fan of yours. You "were" my favorite player. "nice to see you giving back but give more to your team".

 

All he said was the guy didn't have to be his fan, he can go back overseas.

His account was shutdown? So the guy was a troll who never identified himself as a vet?

[Tank 92]

And why would Webb give up any money? He got a contract, of which he may never get another. He needs to make money for himself. The team and him both signed the contract, so why do we expect these players to be like "ok, I'll just give my money I got paid back?" That kinda wrong. Most these guys gotta made the majority of what they are gonna live off of the rest of their life in the pros and they do put themselves up to short and long term bodily harm.

  

I'm not following........in either case the contract is being executed according to it's parameters. If the $ aren't guaranteed, they are not guaranteed. You're not "tearing up" his contract, but just paying out the guaranteed $ and cutting your losses.

When Webb signed the present contract he was free to wait it out to see what he could have received in free agency. In hindsight, it's obvious he made the right decision to sign when he did as he would have never earned what he has since signing the deal. No need to feel bad for him, as it appears the Ravens are the losers on this one, not Webby.

[Tiz]

The vet is overseas defending Webb's freedom to say what he wants. Oh the irony!!

Just curious

Have you ever worked with those enlisted?

Having grown up in a military family and later working security at a club in the area has me understand that not everyone enlisted (regardless of where stationed) deserves respect.

[GrimCoconut]

Just curious

Have you ever worked with those enlisted?

Having grown up in a military family and later working security at a club in the area has me understand that not everyone enlisted (regardless of where stationed) deserves respect.

Very true. Many sbags out there.

[Tank 92]

I didn't think his 2013 season was bad at all . Was it as good as his 2011 season? No but it was solid nonetheless.

Really? Solid? Not really how I saw it, but OK.

This kinda sums up 2013 Webby for me;

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap2000000275662/Bess-20-yard-touchdown

[ravensnick]

Really? Solid? Not really how I saw it, but OK.

This kinda sums up 2013 Webby for me;

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap2000000275662/Bess-20-yard-touchdown

2013 was just a terrible season as a team.

[Militant X 1]

Again, agree with you, but this fan didnt ask him to take a pay cut.

I believe he did when he mentioned that Webb should do more for the team and that he wasn't playing up to his 12 mil. Fans have taken to twitter and Facebook to vent about these Ravens players NOT wanting to take "pay cuts" to help the team. Webb appears to be falling in that group and got fed up with fan - talk and he lashed out. It's real easy for fans to tell another man what he should do with his own money! Hypocrites!

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

I have a lot of RESPECT for the people in our armed forces as I am sure most of these people on these boards do too I am a veteran. That being said It does not give anyone the right to tell anyone else how to manage their money / lifestyle unless it directly affects them or their family. The Ravens salary cap is some what hurting but no one on these boards is really affected by it other than it's our team.  That being said I am very biased and I want Webb to take a pay cut to help out the team but thats between him and the Ravens not me, him and the Ravens.. I hope Webb understands  that the guy serving overseas for our armed forces is the reason he can tell people to take a flying leap when he feels like it and maybe in the future Webb should proof read how he is responding before he responds. Like it or not Webb your whole life is under the spotlight from your salary to your remarks Thats just life and the same people serving gave everyone in America the freedom to feel and express themselves how they want. I dont know all the facts of this story I just hope it does not hurt Webbs reputation.

[Purple Punishment]

Being military myself, I have no respect for him. That fan said nothing wrong. He said he hopes Webb does more for his team to succeed. In the military we sacrifice for the good of the group. Something very few NFL players know about. I don't care if he plays for us. He isn't worth his cap number and he can take his expletive to another team and get burnt

SSG Robert Smith

UNITED STATES ARMY

[sflegend89]

Two schools of thought here but I subscribe to this one most often; team gets Russell Wilson and he blows his rookie deal out of the water for performance pay and Seattle lets him ride it as long as possible forcing Wilson on the same pay wage. Team doesn't care. Now with Webb, he gets his contract because of how he played and due to two ACL tears he doesn't live up to it, but he should give back to the team for not playing up to it? Little contradictory there. Few realize how awful football is to players in regards to salaries with other major sports. The guaranteed money clause is standard mafioso jargon.

 

Definitely a valid point. Teams have no problem letting over performers ride out rookie contracts but are quick to try to restructure a player who's not living up to their big contract. Ultimately it's the team that holds the power though, all a player on a rookie contract/under value contract can do is hold out or request a trade which usually doesn't end well anyway for the player. A team on the other hand can release or trade a player who refuses to restructure and that's significantly more leverage than the player has.

 

I feel like our FO doesn't quite know what to do with Webb yet. They figured him into our plans for 2015 and probably expected a successful restructure because he's played so far under his contract value. Now things get interesting because we certainly don't want to eat that 12M cap hit on him but trading/releasing him is going to further complicate FA/draft.