Eagles trade Foles for Bradford

[xxDarby]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000477790/article/rams-trading-sam-bradford-to-eagles-for-nick-foles

Well another intresting move

[Jokerraven]

This is the trade that has me scratchin my head.

[Jalxsu]

This could be a great move for Sam Bradford.

 

He's obviously really struggled with injuries since coming in to the league, but he'll not be playing behind one of the league's top O lines. He'll also be getting much fitter playing in Kelly's up tempo offense, which hopefully will make him less fragile.

 

I'm a big Sam Bradford fan, and am really routing for him to prove why he was a number 1 overall pick. It'll be interesting to see what Kelly does at his offensive skill positions after losing McCoy and Maclin. I really like Jordan Matthews, but is he ready to be a number 1 receiver? I'm not so sure.

 

There's talk that the Rams and Eagles are swapping first round picks, meaning the Eagles will pick at 10. They've lost Trent Colt, but have picked up Kiko Alonso, and they've got Byron Maxwell to help with their secondary. I'd not be surprised if Chip went with either Kevin White or Amari Cooper to make their offense even more explosive.

 

For the Rams, I think the trade makes sense too. I'm sure they were desperate for Bradford to get healthy and reach his potential, but it just wasn't working out. In Foles they have a QB who has shown he can move the chains and not turn the ball over. They've got one of the most under rated defenses in the league, but have been held back the last 2 years by having to start Kellen Clemens/Austin Davis/Shaun Hill. Foles is a huge upgrade over any of those 3, but the Rams will need to get him some help on his O Line and at receiver.

[mg90]

Chip Kelly has become drunk with power!

[ludy51]

Chip can run a good O but that's about it. He isn't good at spotting talent so why did the eagles put him at the head of player personell? He cant coach defense or special teams either.

[Jalxsu]

Don't underestimate how big moving from 20th to 10th in the first round could be. At 20, you should get a quality starter with Pro Bowl potential. Picking at 10, you can grab yourself an elite prospect. With the 10th pick, it's also easier to move up even higher if there's someone Kelly really likes.

 

In other news, Case Keenum will be backing up Foles in St Louis.

 

The Rams sent a 7th rounder to Houston for Keenum's services.

[rmw10]

Don't underestimate how big moving from 20th to 10th in the first round could be. At 20, you should get a quality starter with Pro Bowl potential. Picking at 10, you can grab yourself an elite prospect. With the 10th pick, it's also easier to move up even higher if there's someone Kelly really likes.

 

In other news, Case Keenum will be backing up Foles in St Louis.

 

The Rams sent a 7th rounder to Houston for Keenum's services.

 

1st round picks aren't involved in the trade.

[Jalxsu]

1st round picks aren't involved in the trade.

 

Oh OK. Guess I heard wrong.

[Inqui]

Oh OK. Guess I heard wrong.

Sounds like it was more that NFLN reported it wrong.

[Purple Punishment]

I don't think this was a play to use Bradford as bait to climb up the draft board for Mariotta. I think Chip believes he can resurrect Sam Bradford anddddd the intrigue of him in Philly is looming over DeMarco Murray. I'm itching to see what happens there. Very exciting stuff what Kelly is doing there. He's either going to look incredibly smart or insanely stupid.

[Jalxsu]

The trade is very complicated, but from what I've read, it is as follows..

 

Rams receive 2015 4th round pick

Rams receive 2016 2nd round pick

Eagles receive 2015 5th round pick

 

Eagles will get back a 2016 3rd round pick if Bradford does not play at all, and a 4th round pick if he starts less than 50% of plays.

[Gordo52]

I feel like Chip is trying some Money Ball crap... Some type of vision no other coach has thought of or just didn't have the balls to do...

If all this works out, they'll probably make a movie on him lol. If not, probably back to college.

[berad]

How in the world did the Rams swing that trade to get the better of it? Bradford-Foles seem fairly even to me, maybe even Foles is better PLUS he's world's cheaper than Sam Bradford who has the biggest rookie deal in NFL history

[ludy51]

Apperantley the eagles had a different team offer them a 1st rounder for bradford

[52520Andrew]

Ugh I am going to look for that Chip Kelly press conference because according to twitter, it was something else

[GrimCoconut]

Apperantley the eagles had a different team offer them a 1st rounder for bradford

So, you're saying that after trading for Bradford that a team is offering to trade a first round pick to the Eagles for Bradford? Is that right? Where did you hear this? Not being sarcastic.

[52520Andrew]

So, you're saying that after trading for Bradford that a team is offering to trade a first round pick to the Eagles for Bradford? Is that right? Where did you hear this? Not being sarcastic.

 

Chip Kelly said it at his press conference, caught the highlights on NFL Network, certainly interesting

[Inqui]

Chip Kelly said it at his press conference, caught the highlights on NFL Network, certainly interesting

He sounds like that guy in fantasy football who trades all his players away when he doesn't win.

[berad]

If there really was an offer for a 1st for Bradford, the Rams would've gotten it and jumped on it

[ludy51]

If there really was an offer for a 1st for Bradford, the Rams would've gotten it and jumped on it

It was the Eagles that got the offer, apperentley. Saw it on twitter

[Willbacker]

It was the Eagles that got the offer, apperentley. Saw it on twitter

Heard it was the Browns.

[berad]

It was the Eagles that got the offer, apperentley. Saw it on twitter

 

That's backwards because why wouldn't the Rams receive that offer initially? His value didn't rise just because he's been on the Eagles roster for a day or two. Sounds like a baloney rumor to me.

[rmw10]

That's backwards because why wouldn't the Rams receive that offer initially? His value didn't rise just because he's been on the Eagles roster for a day or two. Sounds like a baloney rumor to me.

 

It's possible that the Rams did get an offer of a 1st round pick, but opted for Foles and a 2nd instead.  I think I'd do the same.  Foles may not be all world but he's at least shown that he has a shot to be a long term starter.

[JO_75]

That's backwards because why wouldn't the Rams receive that offer initially? His value didn't rise just because he's been on the Eagles roster for a day or two. Sounds like a baloney rumor to me.

 

Some team in the top half of the draft may have been willing to trade with them so he could get Mariota and Bradford goes to another team.

[berad]

It's possible that the Rams did get an offer of a 1st round pick, but opted for Foles and a 2nd instead.  I think I'd do the same.  Foles may not be all world but he's at least shown that he has a shot to be a long term starter.

 

 

Reported terms were:

 

Eagles receive:

Sam Bradford

2015 5th round pick

2016 conditional pick - ranging from 3rd (if he doesn't play at all), 4th (if he plays less than 50% of snaps), or nothing if he plays more than 50%.

 

Rams receive:

Nick Foles

2015 4th round pick

2016 2nd rounder

 

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12456228/sam-bradford-st-louis-rams-traded-philadelphia-eagles-nick-foles

 

A 2016 2nd round pick is much less valuable than a 2015 1st rounder even with Nick Foles thrown in. If the Rams had that offer and declined, that makes no sense to me. Make no mistake, right now it looks like they fleeced the Eagles given how underwhelming and expensive Sam Bradford is. But I bet they would have jumped at the chance for a first rounder.

[berad]

Some team in the top half of the draft may have been willing to trade with them so he could get Mariota and Bradford goes to another team.

 

If those teams wanted Bradford, why wouldn't they contact the Rams in the first place? A top half first rounder and Les Snead would have piloted the plane to that other city himself.

[rmw10]

Reported terms were:

 

Eagles receive:

Sam Bradford

2015 5th round pick

2016 conditional pick - ranging from 3rd (if he doesn't play at all), 4th (if he plays less than 50% of snaps), or nothing if he plays more than 50%.

 

Rams receive:

Nick Foles

2015 4th round pick

2016 2nd rounder

 

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12456228/sam-bradford-st-louis-rams-traded-philadelphia-eagles-nick-foles

 

A 2016 2nd round pick is much less valuable than a 2015 1st rounder even with Nick Foles thrown in. If the Rams had that offer and declined, that makes no sense to me. Make no mistake, right now it looks like they fleeced the Eagles given how underwhelming and expensive Sam Bradford is. But I bet they would have jumped at the chance for a first rounder.

 

I don't know.  I know it's heavy conditional, but I'd think that maybe getting a competent QB in return was enough to forgo the 1st.  It's all speculation of course, but I could see how a team would take a QB that has at least shown some good potential in the NFL over a guy that could be the next in a long list of busts for 1st round QBs.

[berad]

I don't know.  I know it's heavy conditional, but I'd think that maybe getting a competent QB in return was enough to forgo the 1st.  It's all speculation of course, but I could see how a team would take a QB that has at least shown some good potential in the NFL over a guy that could be the next in a long list of busts for 1st round QBs.

 

Maybe, who really knows. As you said, it's speculation. Maybe NFL guys just admire the non-achieving Sam Bradford a lot more than I do. Everyone always says, 'he's got all the intangibles, he's the prototype' but then the season rolls around...

[rmw10]

Maybe, who really knows. As you said, it's speculation. Maybe NFL guys just admire the non-achieving Sam Bradford a lot more than I do. Everyone always says, 'he's got all the intangibles, he's the prototype' but then the season rolls around...

 

It's quite ridiculous how often Bradford gets injured.  I've never known whether or not to really label him injury prone or not.  My definition of injury prone has always been a guy that consistently misses practice and/or games with short term injuries.  I don't know whether or not to consider Bradford extremely unlucky because most of his injuries have been serious, long term types.  I think he's shown potential when healthy but that's been the difficult part.

[GrimCoconut]

I think the thinking for potentially objecting to a first round pick for Nick Foles is that he is a competent QB. Furthermore, it gives the Rams cap breathing room. Further still, Foles is the kind of QB that fits what Fisher wants. I think it's the right fit.

Now, why turn down a first round pick? Because perhaps they value the experience and proven record of Nick over the likely uncertainty in Mariota. I think Fisher wants to win now. Mariota doesn't necessarily offer that. I think he'll be a project but I do think he has talent.

The same reason I think Fisher took Foles over Mariota applies to why I think he chose to keep Bradford over taking RG3.