Haloti Ngata traded to Lions

[Tank 92]

Wilfolk would ease some of the performance sting, but he's not near Ngata.

True, but at the right price he could provide good value per pound. lol

[The Mom Gene]

Read the first sentence and closed the link down.

 

Wait til they see what Ngata brings em.

You should have read the rest of the article....  It does nothing but compliment our organization.  Talks about how the Ravens operate, and how their own team SHOULD....

[SomeCreepinaVan]

I'm getting some royal farms chicken in honor of Ngata.

[codizzle]

It'd have to be 55, though

That would be acceptable

[cursona pirate]

I have 3 Flacco Jerseys and a Reed jersey. I dont regret any of them.

[JO_75]

What a great article...  Everyone needs to read this one

 

http://www.freep.com/story/sports/columnists/drew-sharp/2015/03/10/detroit-lions-haloti-ngata-trade/24731323/

 

Great read. He was right, the Lions made a panic move since Suh left while we made a move to further our future. The thing Detroit needs to worry about is not just the fact Ngata is aging but the fact he is resorting to PEDs. What if he ends up suspended again? Isn't his next violation an 8 game suspension? So I mean essentially they gave up mid round picks for a guy who is now at risk for a greater suspension if he continues taking PEDs. 

 

That's something else to think about too. 

[The Mom Gene]

Great read. He was right, the Lions made a panic move since Suh left while we made a move to further our future. The thing Detroit needs to worry about is not just the fact Ngata is aging but the fact he is resorting to PEDs. What if he ends up suspended again? Isn't his next violation an 8 game suspension? So I mean essentially they gave up mid round picks for a guy who is now at risk for a greater suspension if he continues taking PEDs. 

 

That's something else to think about too. 

Haloti had claimed that he was taking them because he couldn't function or sleep...  The kids were keeping him awake at night and he had to perform during the day.  Welp, Haloti...  It's not going to get easier  If he actually did learn his lesson, then it's good for Detroit.  But apparently, he was demanding a Suh type salary...  and he's not 24 or 25 anymore...  He's taken a beating, and he's 31.   We watched last year, as he began to balloon up, and began limping all over the field... and missing snaps.  It would be interesting to see just how many plays he wasn't in there for.  As much as people are sad to see him go (an truthfully, so am I), it was a good move.

[The Mom Gene]

 Wilfolk would ease some of the performance sting, but he's not near Ngata.

OK... Why bring in Wilfork, who is also old and slow, hence why the Patriots got rid of him... Another one who just ballooned and got bigger as the season progressed...Why do that when we have Timmy Jernigan.  that makes no sense when you have a cap issue like we do right now.

[Purple Punishment]

Great read. He was right, the Lions made a panic move since Suh left while we made a move to further our future. The thing Detroit needs to worry about is not just the fact Ngata is aging but the fact he is resorting to PEDs. What if he ends up suspended again? Isn't his next violation an 8 game suspension? So I mean essentially they gave up mid round picks for a guy who is now at risk for a greater suspension if he continues taking PEDs.

That's something else to think about too.

The sad thing is, he can be granted an exception of he indeed need them due to say, Sleep Apnea. Drugs, even illicit ones are able to be approved if the protocol is followed.

If their health or life depends on it, it will be approved

[The Mom Gene]

The sad thing is, he can be granted an exception of he indeed need them due to say, Sleep Apnea. Drugs, even illicit ones are able to be approved if the protocol is followed.

If their health or life depends on it, it will be approved

They typically don't give you Ritalin or Adderall for Sleep Apnea.  He was taking them as an energy booster...  not to sleep.

[GrimCoconut]

OK... Why bring in Wilfork, who is also old and slow, hence why the Patriots got rid of him... Another one who just ballooned and got bigger as the season progressed...Why do that when we have Timmy Jernigan. that makes no sense when you have a cap issue like we do right now.

Wilfork would be an awesome addition! I'm fully on board for Wilfork. Yes, he's old and isn't as explosive as before but you can't emphasize enough the importance of veteran leadership. Our most senior DL are Tyson and Bilukidi. This unit will get a veteran on the team. We need one to help these guys. Wilfork would certainly provide that for us. Wilfork would also be apart of a rotation. This would be a good move

[salamander]

Great article Mom Gene. Gets to the bottom line, long term success or shortcomings impacting the teams of the Haloti trade.

[Gtown Purple]

This is a tough move but we can't let one player dictate our entire offseason. We barely had enough room to sign our draft picks until the ngata move. With canty also leaving we are obviously getting younger at the position. Brandon and Timmy will be the centerpieces and we will fill in with role players around them. I imagine we will draft at least 1 dl and maybe pick up a few cuts. Not sure how much Randy Starks would be but he  could be a stopgap.I wouldn't rule out Canty coming back at a reuced rate either.

[Sami84]

Haloti hardly appeared to have any kind of connection to the ravens in his interview with the lions..its almost like yeah that was over and done with and I'm looking forward to getting paid.

 

taking into consideration he's only been graded in the top 5 DT in one year ( 2010) i think we did a good job getting rid of him. Some good picks that will enable us to hopefully get 2 Good players ( being realistic) that can contribute immediately in the draft.

[The Mom Gene]

I will agree to disagree on the Wilfork thing.....Sorry guys.  We can use that money and go get us a TE or Defensive Back.

[ludy51]

Wilfork would be an awesome addition! I'm fully on board for Wilfork. Yes, he's old and isn't as explosive as before but you can't emphasize enough the importance of veteran leadership. Our most senior DL are Tyson and Bilukidi. This unit will get a veteran on the team. We need one to help these guys. Wilfork would certainly provide that for us. Wilfork would also be apart of a rotation. This would be a good move

So you don't want us to get Browner, who can be a great #2 beside Jimmy, but you want us to pick up Wilfork?

[GrimCoconut]

So you don't want us to get Browner, who can be a great #2 beside Jimmy, but you want us to pick up Wilfork?

I don't think the CB corps is as bad as it's projected. I think what we need there is depth. That can be provided by a free agent veteran and a draft pick. We have Webb and Jimmy Smith as seasoned CB. My issue with the secondary stems from the safety play. That's the issue with the secondary. I've maintained that since last off-season.

The issue now with our DL is lack of veteran leadership. Our most senior DL are Bilukidi and Tyson.

[GrimCoconut]

I called for Ngata to be traded a month ago, maybe more, and was prepared for the eventuality that he wouldn't be a Raven this coming season. With that said, seeing him wear the Lions' colors felt like you're looking at your ex with another guy(or girl, for you ladies). It feels really wrong.

[Tank 92]

Haloti had claimed that he was taking them because he couldn't function or sleep...  The kids were keeping him awake at night and he had to perform during the day.  Welp, Haloti...  It's not going to get easier  If he actually did learn his lesson, then it's good for Detroit.  But apparently, he was demanding a Suh type salary...  and he's not 24 or 25 anymore...  He's taken a beating, and he's 31.   We watched last year, as he began to balloon up, and began limping all over the field... and missing snaps.  It would be interesting to see just how many plays he wasn't in there for.  As much as people are sad to see him go (an truthfully, so am I), it was a good move.

 

 

OK, enough is enough and I can't let this go by without comment.

 

First, here's the reported reason why he took addreral;

 

"Ngata quickly admitted the use after the positive test and had no inclination to appeal. He told the parties privately that, with three small children at home and feeling the grind of the season, he took the drug to be in a better state of mind to help with them around the house and tend to them."

 

Second, Where do you get the idea he was looking for "Suh money"? From everything I've read I don't see that. If you have a link to something that suggests that I'd like to read it.

 

Lastly, I'm not sure what you were seeing by suggesting he  "began to balloon up, and began limping all over the field... and missing snaps."   If that's so, I must have ben watching the wrong 92. And from most accounts he was stellar in his play and remained relatively healthy throughout.

 

Of course I am biased here, but I get that Ngata's worth to the Ravens didn't match up with what he and his agent thought it was, and agree it was time to part ways. That said, there's no reason to try to trash his rep by making unsubstantiated claims. Not sure why someone would do that, unless you just didn't think highly of him anyway, and that's fine as well.  

[PurpleCity5]

I called for Ngata to be traded a month ago, maybe more, and was prepared for the eventuality that he wouldn't be a Raven this coming season. With that said, seeing him wear the Lions' colors felt like you're looking at your ex with another guy(or girl, for you ladies). It feels really wrong.

It feels weird and wrong. To me, Detroit seemed to make the most sense before the trade. I was seriously hoping we get picks instead of just losing him.

[The Mom Gene]

 

OK, enough is enough and I can't let this go by without comment.

 

First, here's the reported reason why he took addreral;

 

"Ngata quickly admitted the use after the positive test and had no inclination to appeal. He told the parties privately that, with three small children at home and feeling the grind of the season, he took the drug to be in a better state of mind to help with them around the house and tend to them."

 

Second, Where do you get the idea he was looking for "Suh money"? From everything I've read I don't see that. If you have a link to something that suggests that I'd like to read it.

 

Lastly, I'm not sure what you were seeing by suggesting he  "began to balloon up, and began limping all over the field... and missing snaps."   If that's so, I must have ben watching the wrong 92. And from most accounts he was stellar in his play and remained relatively healthy throughout.

 

Of course I am biased here, but I get that Ngata's worth to the Ravens didn't match up with what he and his agent thought it was, and agree it was time to part ways. That said, there's no reason to try to trash his rep by making unsubstantiated claims. Not sure why someone would do that, unless you just didn't think highly of him anyway, and that's fine as well.  

 

So you're saying he didn't gain weight throughout the season?...  And yeah, numerous he was limping off the field, and yes, he did miss snaps....  He didn't play every play in a lot of the games last season....

 

Sorry...  but the numbers speak for themselves.... I absolutely did see a drop off in production. 

 

http://www.nfl.com/player/halotingata/2506879/careerstats

[The Mom Gene]

It feels weird and wrong. To me, Detroit seemed to make the most sense before the trade. I was seriously hoping we get picks instead of just losing him.

We did get picks....  One in the 4th round...  and One in the 5th round...  and I believe a 7th from Miami.

[The Mom Gene]

 

OK, enough is enough and I can't let this go by without comment.

 

First, here's the reported reason why he took addreral;

 

"Ngata quickly admitted the use after the positive test and had no inclination to appeal. He told the parties privately that, with three small children at home and feeling the grind of the season, he took the drug to be in a better state of mind to help with them around the house and tend to them."

 

Second, Where do you get the idea he was looking for "Suh money"? From everything I've read I don't see that. If you have a link to something that suggests that I'd like to read it.

 

Lastly, I'm not sure what you were seeing by suggesting he  "began to balloon up, and began limping all over the field... and missing snaps."   If that's so, I must have ben watching the wrong 92. And from most accounts he was stellar in his play and remained relatively healthy throughout.

 

Of course I am biased here, but I get that Ngata's worth to the Ravens didn't match up with what he and his agent thought it was, and agree it was time to part ways. That said, there's no reason to try to trash his rep by making unsubstantiated claims. Not sure why someone would do that, unless you just didn't think highly of him anyway, and that's fine as well.  

 

Do ya' really want to get into a bickering match over technicalities...  because what I said was true..... and yeah, what you said is true... and maybe to a little more detail... but both posts are accurate.

[Tank 92]

So you're saying he didn't gain weight throughout the season?...  And yeah, numerous he was limping off the field, and yes, he did miss snaps....  He didn't play every play in a lot of the games last season....

 

Sorry...  but the numbers speak for themselves.... I absolutely did see a drop off in production. 

 

http://www.nfl.com/player/halotingata/2506879/careerstats

 

 

lol...... he was a beast!  And no, I didn't notice his waistline.  And yes, he was part of a rotation with Jernigan and Williams, which was the game plan throughout the season, so yeah, he didn't play every down. It was actually a great plan and kept all of them fresh, thus the perceived need to pick up a vet to replace him in that rotation.

 

Sorry, there was no drop off in production, he was just used in a different manner than in the past and had a great season.

[1/28/01]

We did get picks.... One in the 4th round... and One in the 5th round... and I believe a 7th from Miami.

He was saying he's glad we at least got picks instead of just a straight cut. Also, we GAVE UP a 7th.

[The Mom Gene]

He was saying he's glad we at least got picks instead of just a straight cut. Also, we GAVE UP a 7th.

Yeah, I just saw that too...... I wasn't really sure about that 7th thing, that's why I said "I believe".....  Checked and saw it, but that convo was over.

[PurpleCity5]

We did get picks....  One in the 4th round...  and One in the 5th round...  and I believe a 7th from Miami.

Yeah I know, my preference was to trade him instead of cutting him before the trade actually went down, I'm just relieved that we got something instead of nothing. 

[ravensdfan]

lol...... he was a beast!  And no, I didn't notice his waistline.  And yes, he was part of a rotation with Jernigan and Williams, which was the game plan throughout the season, so yeah, he didn't play every down. It was actually a great plan and kept all of them fresh, thus the perceived need to pick up a vet to replace him in that rotation.

 

Sorry, there was no drop off in production, he was just used in a different manner than in the past and had a great season.

Why do you think the rotation was the game plan? Just for kicks? Part of that reason was that Ngata couldn't handle the work load anymore I'd suspect.

Bottom line, whether you want to admit it or not, we didn't miss a beat for his 4 game suspension with 2 rookies plugging in. I seriously doubt that would have been the case if he was the beast you claim.

Clearly he wanted top dollar. Clearly he is about Ngata and not about the team in any fashion.

I've seen others restructure, take pay cuts, take extensions, to help their team and remain there. So, thanks Ngata, but it isn't all about you man. Good luck in Detroit where you discover what it's like to play without a team around you.

[Tank 92]

Why do you think the rotation was the game plan? Just for kicks? Part of that reason was that Ngata couldn't handle the work load anymore I'd suspect.

Bottom line, whether you want to admit it or not, we didn't miss a beat for his 4 game suspension with 2 rookies plugging in. I seriously doubt that would have been the case if he was the beast you claim.

Clearly he wanted top dollar. Clearly he is about Ngata and not about the team in any fashion.

I've seen others restructure, take pay cuts, take extensions, to help their team and remain there. So, thanks Ngata, but it isn't all about you man. Good luck in Detroit where you discover what it's like to play without a team around you.

 

 

I'm not getting into that debate because there is no need. Just go and read any and all third party accounts of his peformances from last year. He was a beast! not my claim, just fact.  

 

Neither you or I know what was on the table and what $ figures were discussed, so any comment on that is just conjecture.  Safe to say what Haloti and his agent wanted didn't match up with what the Ravens could afford. Just a bad cap situation this year and not any room for compromise. 

 

edit;  I just don't get why folks have to feel like a jilted lover any time a player is traded or leaves. It just the way of the league with free agency and a salary cap.  Get over it.

[H8R]

Ya know what really saved Ngatas legs? That 4 games suspension....