Could Aiken and/or Brown fill in for Torrey?

[FlackAttack]

Aiken is a guy that I think will have a bigger role. I think having him as our #3 WR would be very reasonable for what he's shown during the season, I like him. 

 

Anyone who believes that the contract that San Fran gave for Torrey is what we should' have matched and spent $8M per year on, then I got some ocean front property in Arizona you might be interested in. 

^this.

[ratedr]

Im right there with you, drafting a WR in 1st or 2nd round would be great. But I think we have bigger holes to fill those early rounds like TE, CB, DE, even ILB, daryl smith is gettin up there.

Are there any ILBs worth taking at 26? 

 

I'd say WR is just a big a hole as all of those, except TE, where we literally have nobody.

[PurpleCity5]

Im right there with you, drafting a WR in 1st or 2nd round would be great. But I think we have bigger holes to fill those early rounds like TE, CB, DE, even ILB, daryl smith is gettin up there.

Not trying to bag on Torrey, love the guy and still do, but Devin Smith or DeVante Parker would not only fill the void Torrey left, but upgrade it. I think he's replaceable and Devin Smith would be perfect if we're looking for a guy that can go deep and even more. 

 

I also agree with those needs as well. DE, I believe is the biggest weakness after WR, TE and CB. 

 

WR I feel will be addressed, Safety was our biggest problem in the biginning of the season and the CB group were doing well, the additions of Kendrick Lewis and Will Hill has shaped up the safety position, CB will need more depth but I'm not really panicking on that if we can get Jimmy and Webb together. 

 

WR is lacking a true #1 at least starter. 

[jazz1988]

All I know is that against Miami, our struggling offense suddenly woke up the second Torrey left the game. He's not a good fit for the system anyway. I like him as a person but I'm actually sort of glad to see him go, I did not want to be wedded to him too long because it would have made the FO complacent about not investing in more WR talent.

 

Miami defense has been quite inconsistent and even their fans think their defensive coordinator isn't good and besides Torrey still suited up for that game was used as  a decoy. What about the game against The Chargers where Torrey was having one of his better games and when he got injured along with Brown I don't remember any of the other receivers stepping up. What about the season finale where Torrey Smith basically gave life to our offense with that contested catch against Joe Haden?

[FlackAttack]

Are there any ILBs worth taking at 26? 

 

I'd say WR is just a big a hole as all of those, except TE, where we literally have nobody.

No ILB at 26, but I could see us taking one in the 2nd or 3rd round.

 

TE and CB are our two biggest needs imo, That is what we need to focus round 1 on. RB, DL, DE, WR, we can focus those on the many picks we have mid rounds.

[FlackAttack]

Miami defense has been quite inconsistent and even their fans think their defensive coordinator isn't good and besides Torrey still suited up for that game was used as  a decoy. What about the game against The Chargers where Torrey was having one of his better games and when he got injured along with Brown I don't remember any of the other receivers stepping up. What about the season finale where Torrey Smith basically gave life to our offense with that contested catch against Joe Haden?

If I remember correctly, we benched torrey in that chargers game after the blatant dropped catch that was straight to his hands and couldve sealed the game in the 4th qtr. Some people blamed our defense for that loss, I think Torrey deserved just as much blame if not more.

[jazz1988]

If I remember correctly, we benched torrey after that blatant dropped catch that was straight to his hands and couldve sealed the game in the 4th qtr.

 

Torrey never got benched at all.  He got hurt on that same play and had to go get check out and never return on the field afterwards to my knowledge. 

[ratedr]

Miami defense has been quite inconsistent and even their fans think their defensive coordinator isn't good and besides Torrey still suited up for that game was used as  a decoy. What about the game against The Chargers where Torrey was having one of his better games and when he got injured along with Brown I don't remember any of the other receivers stepping up. What about the season finale where Torrey Smith basically gave life to our offense with that contested catch against Joe Haden?

Torrey was not in the game period for much of the second half after his injury.

 

Just because our other receivers didn't step up doesn't make Torrey great. It just means we didn't have any great receivers period, which has been the case in Baltimore since basically forever.

 

I commend Torrey for his efforts in helping beat the Browns. Then the very next week he fails receiver 101 by not dragging his foot on a perfectly thrown deep ball by Flacco (thank goodness that game was not closely contested or that play would've had massive implications). That's Torrey, around one week then disappears the next.

[FlackAttack]

Torrey was not in the game period for much of the second half after his injury.

 

Just because our other receivers didn't step up doesn't make Torrey great. It just means we didn't have any great receivers period, which has been the case in Baltimore since basically forever.

 

I commend Torrey for his efforts in helping beat the Browns. Then the very next week he fails receiver 101 by not dragging his foot on a perfectly thrown deep ball by Flacco (thank goodness that game was not closely contested or that play would've had massive implications). That's Torrey, around one week then disappears the next.

I can remember all season, watching Torrey play and making mistakes like failing to keep his feet in-bounds (which any average nfl receiver is capable of doing), dropping passes, missed routes, not attacking open balls in the air, etc. and simply thinking "I cant wait until we get real talent at this position".

[FlackAttack]

Torrey never got benched at all.  He got hurt on that same play and had to go get check out and never return on the field afterwards to my knowledge. 

Torrey got benched a couple times last season.

[Alexir]

The only FA I see that could help us, would be Denarius Stormborn, mother of Drag routes...I mean Denarius Moore. Young and fast, wouldn't require too much cap. Everyone else is pretty much old and slow.

 

That being said, I like Marlon Brown as a 3, not as a 2. At this point. Same with Kamar. We can replace Torrey in the draft easily.

[Crabcakes&Football]

Torrey Smith was a poor fit for our wco last year. So why try to find a guy with the exact same skillset?

[ratedr]

Torrey Smith was a poor fit for our wco last year. So why try to find a guy with the exact same skillset?

I'd like a speed guy, I remember how it was before Torrey got here, Flacco was pretty much forced into being something of a checkdown Charlie. But I'd like the speed guy to attack the ball and run routes well.

[Static]

Anyone notice how Joe seemed to have good rapport with all the WRs except Torrey. Torrey and Joe seemed to miscommunicate and be on different pages. 

 

 

I knew something was wrong when Steve Smith came in playing with other QBs for 15 years and he and Joe looked like life long partners and Torrey was struggling for no reason. 

 

I expect our young studs to step up , they all show promise in limited playing time but we still another piece being the season.

[jazz1988]

Torrey got benched a couple times last season.

If Torrey got benched there would have been articles about it.

[ratedr]

Can't recall Torrey getting benched. It just seemed that way because he disappeared so often as was especially MIA for basically the first 10 games of the season.

[jazz1988]

Anyone notice how Joe seemed to have good rapport with all the WRs except Torrey. Torrey and Joe seemed to miscommunicate and be on different pages. 

 

 

I knew something was wrong when Steve Smith came in playing with other QBs for 15 years and he and Joe looked like life long partners and Torrey was struggling for no reason. 

 

I expect our young studs to step up , they all show promise in limited playing time but we still another piece being the season.

 

It seem like he had better chemistry with Steve Smith than any other receiver. I can't really say he had better rapport with the other receivers since they were used in limited roles. Steve Smith been playing  for quite awhile and has played with many other quarterbacks and has some experience in other offensive schemes. Steve Smith is quite similar to Derrick Mason in my opinon whom is another receiver that hit off with Joe Flacco right away. 

 

I'm not really surprised that a 14 year+old vet was more prepared to handle change than  a four year vet like Torrey whom been used to one offensive scheme and receiver coach until 2014.Torrey Started off slow during the early portion of the season but after The Colts game his production went up and he was catching  atleast 60 percent of his passes for the majority of the time.

[ratedr]

I'm not really surprised that a 14 year+old vet was more prepared to handle change than  a four year vet like Torrey whom been used to one offensive scheme and receiver coach until 2014.Torrey Started off slow during the early portion of the season but after The Colts game his production went up and he was catching  atleast 60 percent of his passes for the majority of the time.

Torrey wasn't the only one adjusting to a new scheme though...everyone else seemed to do just fine minus Torrey and the phased out Jacoby. Likely because they're both limited receivers, Jacoby moreso than Torrey.

[SeaHawk]

Torrey was/is an overrated, higher character, version of Donte Stallworth.

[jazz1988]

Torrey wasn't the only one adjusting to a new scheme though...everyone else seemed to do just fine minus Torrey and the phased out Jacoby. Likely because they're both limited receivers, Jacoby moreso than Torrey.

 

Torrey was the only receiver on the team last year that's been with The Ravens the longest. When you used to a certain regiment certain offensive philosophy and certain coaches sometimes it takes longer for person to adjust to something totally new.  The other guys may have been able to adjust better but they wasn't here for four years  or in contract year as well.

 

Jacoby Jones issues didn't seem like route running  and he most likely would have still been our number 3 receiver if he had not developed butter fingers last season. 

[Sami84]

sigh if only we could trade our first two picks for  10 years taken off  steve smith 

 

I was watching the 2004 Super Bowl ( lucky pats again) and boy the guy was/is special..no disrespect to andre johnson,larry fitz, calvin johnson and all the elite receivers over the past few years but I would take Steve Smith 2004-2006 over any version of them.

[Bltravens]

Torrey Smith was a poor fit for our wco last year. So why try to find a guy with the exact same skillset?

Well we still need someone capable of blowing the top off a defense, he just needs to be able to run routes effectively too.

[omar586]

the WR's we have are decent we just need a speedster that can stretch the D. they're gonna have to look at that guy green-beckham and see if he does have real issues or not, but if the ravens gonna cut every single person due to minor infractions, we will never have good talent to compete with the rest of the league, pierce case i think he was terrible on the field the past 2 yrs. that dui was his last straw, so was burger cody. 

[FlackAttack]

we are not drafting green-beckham. ravens fans really need to get over this.

[ratedr]

we are not drafting green-beckham. ravens fans really need to get over this.

It's really incredible how hardheaded some fans are about this guy. It's. Not. Happening. Thank Ray Rice.

[gooftroop]

Anyone notice how Joe seemed to have good rapport with all the WRs except Torrey. Torrey and Joe seemed to miscommunicate and be on different pages. 

 

 

I knew something was wrong when Steve Smith came in playing with other QBs for 15 years and he and Joe looked like life long partners and Torrey was struggling for no reason. 

 

I expect our young studs to step up , they all show promise in limited playing time but we still another piece being the season.

I think Joe thought he had better odds trying to throw Torrey into PI's, rather than relying on Torrey to catch the ball. It's the only theory that makes sense of all those seemingly underthrown balls when Smith had a step on his man.

[flynismo]

I think Joe thought he had better odds trying to throw Torrey into PI's, rather than relying on Torrey to catch the ball. It's the only theory that makes sense of all those seemingly underthrown balls when Smith had a step on his man.

I don't know if you were serious or just kinda thinking aloud, but some of those underthrown balls were simply bad throws.

 

That said, a lot of the overthrown passes were on Torrey. He really struggles tracking the ball, and if you have ever seen him in person, you certainly noticed how he often zig zags trying to track the ball...resulting in an overthrow. In fairness, a portion of those times were probably intentional, because it looked to me he would intentionally slow down, then speed up at the last second so that he could "explode" through the route at the moment he caught the ball; unforutnately he just mistimed it a lot.

 

The underthrows....I'd guesstimate that 65% of them were plain bad throws, and 35% Torrey not running a crisp route (partially due to Torrey being Torrey, partially due to horrible protection throwing off the timing of the play).

 

Just my two pence...

[flynismo]

Torrey was/is an overrated, higher character, version of Donte Stallworth.

And also more productive than Stallworth ever was, despite Stallworth playing alongside HOF players (Brees, Brady, Moss) in the most explosive offenses in the league

[JoeyFlex5]

sigh if only we could trade our first two picks for  10 years taken off  steve smith 

 

I was watching the 2004 Super Bowl ( lucky pats again) and boy the guy was/is special..no disrespect to andre johnson,larry fitz, calvin johnson and all the elite receivers over the past few years but I would take Steve Smith 2004-2006 over any version of them.

i agree with this so much. steve smith has always been one of my favorites. and while ray lewis is every ravens fans go-to favorite player, mine is derrick mason, i feel like he practically raised joe lol. there is nothing i would love to see more than mason in the mid 2000's, smitty in the mid 2000's, with joe throwing to them. i think joe would have a permanent smile on his face judging from how well he hit it off with those 2, the chemistry was so natural.

[JoeyFlex5]

I don't know if you were serious or just kinda thinking aloud, but some of those underthrown balls were simply bad throws.

 

That said, a lot of the overthrown passes were on Torrey. He really struggles tracking the ball, and if you have ever seen him in person, you certainly noticed how he often zig zags trying to track the ball...resulting in an overthrow. In fairness, a portion of those times were probably intentional, because it looked to me he would intentionally slow down, then speed up at the last second so that he could "explode" through the route at the moment he caught the ball; unforutnately he just mistimed it a lot.

 

The underthrows....I'd guesstimate that 65% of them were plain bad throws, and 35% Torrey not running a crisp route (partially due to Torrey being Torrey, partially due to horrible protection throwing off the timing of the play).

 

Just my two pence...

joe has to dial back his arm on his deep throws, resulting in underthrows. 

 

his arm is so freakishly strong that even a wr with torreys speed would get overthrown every time if joe just let'er rip. 

 

if joe wants to just launch it and have the receiver run under it, he literally would need someone with phillip dorsett speed or even faster. 

 

he also has said multiple times that he would prefer to give the receiver a chance to make a play on the ball or at the very least draw a PI, rather than overthrow them by 10 yards, it makes sense too because i think we have yet to ever see joe throw the ball as deep as he possibly can, on passes that sail 50+ yards through the air he does it effortlessly, dude barely even has a wind up motion on his deep throws. to really take advantage of joes full strength, you need a wr who runs a 4.35 or faster, i dont believe there is a wr in the league who has the speed to run under joes deepest ball and catch it.