The Uncertainty of the Cornerback position

[Cillmatic]

We are in a very difficult position here, our #1 Corner can be one of the best i the league but is injury prone. Our #2 is Extremely injury prone and is becoming a liability. Our #3 is a young player who played very well before getting blown up by Brady. After that we have no one. One of those players go down the secondary sucks. Ozzie has said that CB is not a position of immediate need. How can this be the case when we have one of the mot fragile CB cores in the league. Do you think we need to draft one high or do you think we should take out chances with the ones we have anda few cheap FA?  Do you think Melvin cn develop into a game changer or do you think he's average. Is Webb truly a liability? Is Jimmy worth his next contract? Would someone like Marcus Peters or Jaelen Collins be the next great ravens DB? So many questions.

[GrimCoconut]

Jimmy Smith, drafted 

9-11-2011: High-ankle sprain, Pittsburgh: missed a lot of games as he recovered; not a starter. 

1-1-2012: Concussion, Cincinnati; missed no games. 

11-15-2012: Sports hernia surgery, missed some games but wasn't a starter at this point. 

11-4-2013: Groin injury, Cleveland, did not return. Missed no other game. 

12-3-2013: Concussion, did not return against the Vikings but missed no other game. 

8-16-20144: Bruised chest (Preseason), no missed time.

11-8-2014: Lisfranc injury, placed on IR. 

 

That's quite the history. The interesting thing is that Jimmy did lose weight sometime in this process, I can't recall when, but he slimmed down. I don't think that affected anything, actually, because his injuries never seemed to be muscular. He has had two concussions, one high ankle sprain, a Lisfranc injury, a bruised chest, and a groin problem. The groin thing is genetic. The concussions, that could be a problem since he's had two diagnosed/reported ones. The bruised chest was nothing.

 

The first serious injury he's ever had was this Lisfranc. I don't necessarily think he is injury-prone, he just gets nicked up. He didn't miss a game after his sports hernia surgery for that condition. He missed no time due to the bruised chest. The two biggest problems with him are the concussions and the Lisfranc. I think the injury thing is a bit overblown on Jimmy Smith. I get the label, because he's had 7 "injuries" in 4 years time, but only three of them were actually serious and career-altering. Sports hernias are a common thing in male athletes and the high-ankle sprain isn't a permanent condition. 

[Alexir]

We are in a very difficult position here, our #1 Corner can be one of the best i the league but is injury prone. Our #2 is Extremely injury prone and is becoming a liability. Our #3 is a young player who played very well before getting blown up by Brady. After that we have no one. One of those players go down the secondary sucks. Ozzie has said that CB is not a position of immediate need. How can this be the case when we have one of the mot fragile CB cores in the league. Do you think we need to draft one high or do you think we should take out chances with the ones we have anda few cheap FA?  Do you think Melvin cn develop into a game changer or do you think he's average. Is Webb truly a liability? Is Jimmy worth his next contract? Would someone like Marcus Peters or Jaelen Collins be the next great ravens DB? So many questions.

 

I think Ozzie (or maybe someone else) said Safety was a bigger concern. I can KIND of see that but if I am picking at 26 and a stud corner is there, I don't see me passing on one. This is a passing league and we can replace Torrey with a speedster in 3rd round. Real curious to see if Webb will re-work his deal. I still like him as a nickel corner but we need another guy on the outside.

[pep_meister]

the reason we lost to NE was because of our CB corp. even before JS went down we were concerned. Bring in Cary Williams and enjoy the draft. 

[sflegend89]

We really have to stack quality up at corner this offseason and Ozzie definitely knows it. We got exposed there last year by trying to shop on a discount at cb in FA and then skipping out on the position all together in the draft but to be fair after Kyle Fuller went off the board there wasn't good enough value there for a lot of our selections and the cb class as a whole wasn't very deep. Stll frustrating knowing we were a good corner away from the SB.

 

I think we'll get a guy like Cary, Flowers, or Culliver in FA and then go CB in round 1 or 2. Hopefully will look something like:

 

1. Jimmy

2. Cary, Flowers, or Culliver

3. Webb

4. 1st or 2nd round pick

5. Melvin

6. Asa

 

As stacked as the unit would look on paper we would be preparing for what seems like an inevitable injury(s) so the next man could move up and we wouldn't have to go through what we did last year plugging players into the starting line up that had no business being there like Chykie and Franks. The way we got toasted by the Pats passing attack I don't think a quality FA and top draft pick is overkill at all, that's what it's going to take to stop these ridiculous passing teams in the playoffs.. especially when were dealing with injuries there like we always seem to be.

[Alaska Alaska!]

We really have to stack quality up at corner this offseason and Ozzie definitely knows it. We got exposed there last year by trying to shop on a discount at cb in FA and then skipping out on the position all together in the draft but to be fair after Kyle Fuller went off the board there wasn't good enough value there for a lot of our selections and the cb class as a whole wasn't very deep. Stll frustrating knowing we were a good corner away from the SB.

 

I think we'll get a guy like Cary, Flowers, or Culliver in FA and then go CB in round 1 or 2. Hopefully will look something like:

 

1. Jimmy

2. Cary, Flowers, or Culliver

3. Webb

4. 1st or 2nd round pick

5. Melvin

6. Asa

 

As stacked as the unit would look on paper we would be preparing for what seems like an inevitable injury(s) so the next man could move up and we wouldn't have to go through what we did last year plugging players into the starting line up that had no business being there like Chykie and Franks. The way we got toasted by the Pats passing attack I don't think a quality FA and top draft pick is overkill at all, that's what it's going to take to stop these ridiculous passing teams in the playoffs.. especially when were dealing with injuries there like we always seem to be.

Where's Gorrer in your list?

[ravensnick]

Jimmy Smith, drafted 

9-11-2011: High-ankle sprain, Pittsburgh: missed a lot of games as he recovered; not a starter. 

1-1-2012: Concussion, Cincinnati; missed no games. 

11-15-2012: Sports hernia surgery, missed some games but wasn't a starter at this point. 

11-4-2013: Groin injury, Cleveland, did not return. Missed no other game. 

12-3-2013: Concussion, did not return against the Vikings but missed no other game. 

8-16-20144: Bruised chest (Preseason), no missed time.

11-8-2014: Lisfranc injury, placed on IR. 

 

That's quite the history. The interesting thing is that Jimmy did lose weight sometime in this process, I can't recall when, but he slimmed down. I don't think that affected anything, actually, because his injuries never seemed to be muscular. He has had two concussions, one high ankle sprain, a Lisfranc injury, a bruised chest, and a groin problem. The groin thing is genetic. The concussions, that could be a problem since he's had two diagnosed/reported ones. The bruised chest was nothing.

 

The first serious injury he's ever had was this Lisfranc. I don't necessarily think he is injury-prone, he just gets nicked up. He didn't miss a game after his sports hernia surgery for that condition. He missed no time due to the bruised chest. The two biggest problems with him are the concussions and the Lisfranc. I think the injury thing is a bit overblown on Jimmy Smith. I get the label, because he's had 7 "injuries" in 4 years time, but only three of them were actually serious and career-altering. Sports hernias are a common thing in male athletes and the high-ankle sprain isn't a permanent condition. 

Didn't Jimmy get a concussion against Pittsburgh in 2013? 

[GrimCoconut]

Didn't Jimmy get a concussion against Pittsburgh in 2013?

It's very possible I missed one lol. You're welcome to fact check it for me. I'd appreciate it. It just furthers the point that the biggest concern on him are concussions and his return from the Lisfranc and the other injuries and rather inconsequential.

[ravensnick]

It's very possible I missed one lol. You're welcome to fact check it for me. I'd appreciate it. It just furthers the point that the biggest concern on him are concussions and his return from the Lisfranc and the other injuries and rather inconsequential.

I remember he had a huge helmet to helmet with Leveon Bell that won us the game but he got carried off the field. 

[FlocksGottaFeed]

I remember he had a huge helmet to helmet with Leveon Bell that won us the game but he got carried off the field. 

Jimmy walked off, but Bell got carried-off. Scary moment, but it was classic Ravens/Steelers.

[sflegend89]

Where's Gorrer in your list?

 

He's an unrestricted free agent coming off a MCL/PCL tear. Not sure what his future holds in Baltimore as of right now, he's a guy a lot of us fans have been pulling for but I'm not so sure he get's brought back. His medical issues are at the top of the list, that's a very significant injury that occurred late in the regular season. I'm sure Ozzie would entertain bringing him back but he needs to pass a physical first and I left him off just due to the uncertainty surrounding his current situation.

[rmw10]

Where's Gorrer in your list?

 

Gorrer may not even be re-signed.  If he does, he's likely one of those borderline players.

[Edgar]

We are in a very difficult position here, our #1 Corner can be one of the best i the league but is injury prone. Our #2 is Extremely injury prone and is becoming a liability. Our #3 is a young player who played very well before getting blown up by Brady. After that we have no one. One of those players go down the secondary sucks. Ozzie has said that CB is not a position of immediate need. How can this be the case when we have one of the mot fragile CB cores in the league. Do you think we need to draft one high or do you think we should take out chances with the ones we have anda few cheap FA?  Do you think Melvin cn develop into a game changer or do you think he's average. Is Webb truly a liability? Is Jimmy worth his next contract? Would someone like Marcus Peters or Jaelen Collins be the next great ravens DB? So many questions.

This post is dead on. As it stands we are a jimmy smith injury away from our secondary Being in tatters.....again.

Try watching most any game from last year. It's shocking to watch the opposition convert 3rd and long's with regularity and with what looks like relative ease.

I think jimmy is gone next year.

[The Raven]

I think it's fair to say that most teams' secondary would be in shambles if their number one got hurt. Very few teams have good depth in the secondary.

[pep_meister]

We really have to stack quality up at corner this offseason and Ozzie definitely knows it. We got exposed there last year by trying to shop on a discount at cb in FA and then skipping out on the position all together in the draft but to be fair after Kyle Fuller went off the board there wasn't good enough value there for a lot of our selections and the cb class as a whole wasn't very deep. Stll frustrating knowing we were a good corner away from the SB.

 

I think we'll get a guy like Cary, Flowers, or Culliver in FA and then go CB in round 1 or 2. Hopefully will look something like:

 

1. Jimmy

2. Cary, Flowers, or Culliver

3. Webb

4. 1st or 2nd round pick

5. Melvin

6. Asa

 

As stacked as the unit would look on paper we would be preparing for what seems like an inevitable injury(s) so the next man could move up and we wouldn't have to go through what we did last year plugging players into the starting line up that had no business being there like Chykie and Franks. The way we got toasted by the Pats passing attack I don't think a quality FA and top draft pick is overkill at all, that's what it's going to take to stop these ridiculous passing teams in the playoffs.. especially when were dealing with injuries there like we always seem to be.

Healthy Webb and Jimmy are the best CB tandem in the NFL... throw in B Flowers and best secondary in the NFL... webb, smith, flowers, hill, and address other safety spot.... holy smokes. i'd give up ngata if it meant getting a CB like flowers... 

 

if that other safety spot got addressed we might finish the year with the #1 defense all around. 

 

picture it..

 

HILL  /FA/DRAFT PICK

JSMITH, LWEBB, BFLOWERS

TSUGGS,EDOOM,CJMOSLEY,DSMITH

TJERNIGAN,BWILLIAMS, DEANGELO TYSON/ DRAFT PICK