Since the front office is terminating contracts

[redrum52]

How you forget to mention Jah Reid baffles me too!

Isn't he a FA?

[codizzle]

Isn't he a FA?

Yup

[jimjim5]

It's the system. Why? You know as much as I do but there must be money in Rodgers pocket and out of ours. Like you said before the draft? Every other team already has an idea what the teams ahead of them need so..... Just glad you're on our side! If you figure this out share it with all of us, but Rog will be Rog! Go Ravens!!!

 

I personally think you're getting in ??Goodell's?? pocket, and that shouldn't be the worry. That's the business and most all NFL decisions are tiered in a way to benefit the NFL business model, not hurt it.

 

You really don't have to spend a dime to enjoy the NFL, so I can't understand why you are being so huffy about the why and the $$$$ associated with the structure of the salary cap and cuts? Remember, the NFL franchises feed the Shield, and the Shield feeds the NFL franchisees. It's a standard, Franchisor/Franchisee arrangement, but better because the money is recycled and compounded.

 

Don't buy tickets and merchandise and watch the team on T.V.  Problem solved!!! However, someone will buy the seat that you won't. You have a choice. Just sayin'.....

[757RavensFan]

How you forget tomention Jah Reid baffles me too!

 

because he's no longer under contract w/ the Ravens. He's outta here.

[ellicottraven]

Isn't he a FA?

Is he now? Hmm... my bad then.

[RaineV1]

If the Ravens didn't have Urschel, I'd be hesitant to cut him. However, he's two expensive for a 3rd string center. The Ravens would be better off with a cheap veteran guard as depth rather than keeping Gino.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

I'm pretty certain the FO already knows who's getting cut, so why wait?  

 

There are some logistics involved I'm sure. I doubt they want the players finding out through the media that they were cut, so my guess is they try to meet with the player or representation to do so, and since it is a contract I'm sure there are some formal, legal procedures that must be followed.

 

So my best guess is that the order and timing of these things is predicated at least partially on being able to meet with players and their representation.

 

Another aspect may be roster evaluation. Gino is the only player on the roster other than Zuttah with actual game snaps at center. Maybe still evaluating that. McLellan is a core ST player. With either player they may consider keeping one or the other, maybe both if they can get the desired extensions done with Ngata, Yanda, and Webb.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Why cut players before the draft and tip the organization's draft needs? That is silly. The Ravens plan to win, not worry about letting fans know where they stand with players.

 

I don't think cutting a 3rd string center and 4th LBer whose primary role is ST's "tips our hand" in regards to the draft.

[jimjim5]

I don't think cutting a 3rd string center and 4th LBer whose primary role is ST's "tips our hand" in regards to the draft.

 

I think you are wrong. All prospects at every round represent a potential value. Gaps in a roster represent a need. Other teams figure this out. 

[Wildabeast88]

Good questions. McClellan, I think, is a good ST, but don't know if he's worth what he's getting and Gino might be gone soon. Not sure about the savings, cap wise. Maybe save more cutting them after June 1st, or just waiting to see how the draft turns out before moves are made.

Also, Jacoby might have been done early so he has more time to find a team to pick him up. They might have done it somewhat out of respect.

cutting McClellan would save us 1mil and Gino would save 660000 so over 1.6mil overall as per overthecap and there is no difference in pre and post June1st cuts for their contracts.

[redrum52]

cutting McClellan would save us 1mil and Gino would save 660000 so over 1.6mil overall as per overthecap and there is no difference in pre and post June1st cuts for their contracts.

Then there is no reason to cut them now. Draft and see how everything turns out. You don't get rid of good depth for no reason with no back up. If they are cut it might not even be until TC starts and more cuts are made around the league.

[GrimCoconut]

I think McClellan is a guy we can cut or get to take a pay cut. He's actually done pretty well in a limited role when he sees the field on defense and he's versatile to play outside or inside linebacker. He's a good ST player as well. I think he'll be asked to take a pay cut or possibly outright cut and then re-signed later if he doesn't latch on elsewhere.

I think Gino is as good as gone.

[Wildabeast88]

Then there is no reason to cut them now. Draft and see how everything turns out. You don't get rid of good depth for no reason with no back up. If they are cut it might not even be until TC starts and more cuts are made around the league.

We do we have 4.735 mil in cap space and our rookie pool is just over 6mil and that is without tendering any RFA's or ERFA's which include Tucker Aiken Melvin as the biggest names on the list so we need space ASAP Urchel is 10x better than Gino at C and G and McClellan is mostly a special teamer I do like his versatility with special teams and all the LB positions but he's not cracking the inside LB spots and he's no higher than the 4th option at outside LB these 2 cuts get us to where we can at least sign our rookies

[rmw10]

Have a feeling that this guy is next...

 

Jamison Hensley ‏@jamisonhensley  15m15 minutes ago

#Ravens CB VIctor Hampton was arrested for DWI last night in Charlotte, per @wsoctv. He signed a reserve-future deal with team in January.

[balfan23]

Yeah, not sure why they're waiting on Gino - but at $1.6M and given his level of play and given our needs to create cap space, I can't imagine how he is a Raven when the league year begins on Mar 10th. I think we'll want all the room we can get to start working on deals with FAs. 

[Moderator 3]

Have a feeling that this guy is next...

 

Jamison Hensley ‏@jamisonhensley  15m15 minutes ago

#Ravens CB VIctor Hampton was arrested for DWI last night in Charlotte, per @wsoctv. He signed a reserve-future deal with team in January.

Crap. Oh, and who?

[B-more Ravor]

cutting McClellan would save us 1mil and Gino would save 660000 so over 1.6mil overall as per overthecap and there is no difference in pre and post June1st cuts for their contracts.

 

OverTheCap hasn't added in Gino's performance escalator yet.  That amount is presently "set" by the NFLPA at $1.574M.  That is based on a 10% increase in the Cap (the max for determining that number), while a $143M cap would only be a 7.5% increase which would make it $1.526M instead.

 

Either way, it wouldn't be surprising for the Ravens to consider that to be too much for Gino.

 

So, between McClellan and Gino, if both were released, the initial savings would be closer to $2.5M total, but under the Rule of 51, that would be a net of $1.5M since they would be released 2 players making $510K) amongst the top 51.

[Wildabeast88]

OverTheCap hasn't added in Gino's performance escalator yet.  That amount is presently "set" by the NFLPA at $1.574M.  That is based on a 10% increase in the Cap (the max for determining that number), while a $143M cap would only be a 7.5% increase which would make it $1.526M instead.

 

Either way, it wouldn't be surprising for the Ravens to consider that to be too much for Gino.

 

So, between McClellan and Gino, if both were released, the initial savings would be closer to $2.5M total, but under the Rule of 51, that would be a net of $1.5M since they would be released 2 players making $510K) amongst the top 51.

that's right I forgot about Gino's escalator cut him now

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

I think you are wrong. All prospects at every round represent a potential value. Gaps in a roster represent a need. Other teams figure this out.

So the team that even when they have a glaring need for a starter at a certain position doesn't build their draft strategy around filling that need, is now evaluating their board and strategy on the basis of replacing a 3rd string center and special teams player?

Sorry - not buying it. We draft the best player with every pick in every round. I sincerely doubt Ozzies sitting there going "hey we could really use that $1.6 mill in cap space, but let's hang on to Gino for a while so no one knows that if center A falls to us in the 6th round we would take him as long as none of the 200 players we have rated ahead of him are available."

[K-Dog]

Have a feeling that this guy is next...

 

Jamison Hensley ‏@jamisonhensley  15m15 minutes ago

#Ravens CB VIctor Hampton was arrested for DWI last night in Charlotte, per @wsoctv. He signed a reserve-future deal with team in January.

That will save us fifty bucks in cap space....

[jimjim5]

So the team that even when they have a glaring need for a starter at a certain position doesn't build their draft strategy around filling that need, is now evaluating their board and strategy on the basis of replacing a 3rd string center and special teams player?

Sorry - not buying it. We draft the best player with every pick in every round. I sincerely doubt Ozzies sitting there going "hey we could really use that $1.6 mill in cap space, but let's hang on to Gino for a while so no one knows that if center A falls to us in the 6th round we would take him as long as none of the 200 players we have rated ahead of him are available."

 

You are looking at it wrong, but ... ok.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

You are looking at it wrong, but ... ok.

 

If I'm missing something I apologize - please explain.

 

I just don't see draft strategy having anything at all to do with their decision to have not cut Gino or McClellan yet. I think thats overthinking it, and it's solely because they dont have to yet. They dont have a need yet for the cap space or roster spots so why cut them?

[redrum52]

If I'm missing something I apologize - please explain.

I just don't see draft strategy having anything at all to do with their decision to have not cut Gino or McClellan yet. I think thats overthinking it, and it's solely because they dont have to yet. They dont have a need yet for the cap space or roster spots so why cut them?

This is how I feel. No real benefit and we're now now left searching for replacements. These cuts most likely aren't made until after camp starts and teams trim down rosters. The cap savings are minimal in comparison for what the team will need to re-sign guys anyway.

[Alexir]

But a 1st string kick returner, who contributed more in 1 quarter than Gino did all season.  But agreed it's all about the moola!

 

But also like I said, he had butter fingers and would drop the ball, pick it up. He was getting paid way too much for what he did for the team.

[platinumxx2]

Per Ian Rapoport

#Ravens are asking starting CB Lardarius Webb to reduce his 2015 salary, which is $8M. Cap hit is $12M, though. Unclear what he’ll decide.

2:30pm - 3 Mar 15

[ravensfan520]

I don't know the specifics of Joe's contract in 2016 but my question is how much is dead money etc if he won't restructure extend etc and we god forbid have to release him... I get that Joe is the man but so was Ngata and if we have an opportunity to pick up a legimitate qb that can perform at an adequate level and compete would we be forced to cut him. We have done it with some premier players but never a premier qb partly because we have never had one till now. Also if Trestman can't get the same production from him like Kubiak... would that mean it was the offensive system... and even at the end when Joe had normally performed at his best playoffs... He missed out with 2 int against the Patriots... throwing a ball that should never have been thrown... but that's not why we lost...

I am not saying we need to get rid of him just asking the question of salary cap structuring. I wouldnt want to miss out on Jimmy(we saw how bad we missed him) or Yanda(we saw what our running game and qb could do with a great line) or any other great additions that would greatly missed because of it.

[cursona pirate]

Joe Flacco wont be cut unless he throws 60 int and 0 TDs next year.

[Yaha]

I still think John Harbaugh should be axed.  Overrated as I OVERSTATED many times.

 

Just can't wait for the after game press comments from John in 2015. It will be heated this year fans.

 

 

[Yaha]

Per Ian Rapoport

#Ravens are asking starting CB Lardarius Webb to reduce his 2015 salary, which is $8M. Cap hit is $12M, though. Unclear what he’ll decide.

2:30pm - 3 Mar 15

 

I think it is very sad to do redo's every year on these players contracts. Bottom line If the Raven's front office is so great, why in the heck do you give Joe Flacco all that money.  Also, Jimmy Smith made one play in the Super Bowl and basically he held the guy, but his contract is way high for what he has shown since becoming a Raven.

 

Webb got hurt on the field, his life will be very painful after football, leave his money alone. Stop paying these guys big bucks.

Axe them like they did Haloti.  Many good players are out there and in the draft. Anyone remember the days when the rookies got paid more than some players do in the whole careers and got axed only after one year of playing?  Well, I do and like someone else stated, the cap needs to be changed. MLB proves that having the top salaries on your team doesn't mean Ring.

[MrDelDante]

Bottom line If the Raven's front office is so great, why in the heck do you give Joe Flacco all that money.

 

Because he's the face of the franchise, a Superbowl MVP and locker room leader. Plus everyone involved with the deal has said it's effectively a 3 year deal that will be extended/restructured once the massive cap hit comes in.