New Deal for Ngata Coming?

[ravensnick]

Nope. 31 is ancient for DTs, especially DTs that are frequently injured.

Some of the best DTs in the game are relatively old. Kyle Williams, Randy Starks, and Jason Hatcher are all 30 or older and dominating. Like Pro Bowl level dominating. 

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

Well, remember that Ngata is making an $8.5 million salary this year. Do you think he'll make more than that if he leaves? I doubt he'll make more than $8.5M anywhere. If we cut him, he loses that $8.5M, and he might not get it back.

I honestly dont know what he will make. Like I said logic says he is 30+ years old and on the back half of his career and that means he should not get as much as he would if he were in his prime and I agree with both you guys on that. The point I was trying to make is there are more than a couple of teams who have in the past broke the bank and payed a player far more than what their going rate should have been. Thats all I was trying to say. I am sure both you guys can think of a few players who got one of the contracts I am talking about. To directly answer your question In my opinion Ngata is not worth the current cap hit he has with the Ravens and if he does not restructure / extend his contract then we will all find out what teams are willing to pay for him.

[PurpleCity5]

If we're going to lose Ngata, at least get something in return. Lower the cap hit, and get an pick while you're at it. Maybe F.O is dealing but keeping it on the low. 

[chunkywill25]

time is ticking. all these deals getting done and we still don't know whats going on with ngata. I'm getting anxious lol. i hope we sign a somewhat big name. 

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

Bottom line is I hope Ngata stays and finishes his career as a Raven. That being said it has to be a fair deal for both sides if not even though it hurts to say let him walk. between Jernigan and Williams we have the pieces to fill the void without missing a beat...

[Guest]

There's been big money paid in this free agency and the savings our Front Office thought were possible have evaporated.  The leverage is gone, so it's pony up or part ways.

[Bruce_Almty]

I'm speculating here. Wonder if Haloti is adamant about not extending his contract is because he's retiring after this coming season and this is his last paycheck. Just a thought.

 

Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet

Even with a $16M cap number, it appears #Ravens & DT Haloti Ngata are status quo with his contract. Likely to remain unchanged at this point

 

Brian McFarland ‏@RavensSalaryCap

Reported Restructure of Suggs would seem to indicate that they aren't willing to release Ngata & are willing to keep him until deal is done

[The Raven]

From Aaron Wilson: "Ravens are continuing efforts to restructure Haloti Ngata $16 million salary cap figure, but his roster status isn't changing."

 

Does that seem to say that we aren't cutting Ngata?

[BmoreBird22]

Some of the best DTs in the game are relatively old. Kyle Williams, Randy Starks, and Jason Hatcher are all 30 or older and dominating. Like Pro Bowl level dominating.

Kyle Williams definitely slowed down last year, but for your sake, let's say all of them are dominant. Know which one has a base salary higher than Ngata? None.

Ngata would not easily break $8.5 because he's getting up there in age, especially with his injuries

[Tank 92]

From Aaron Wilson: "Ravens are continuing efforts to restructure Haloti Ngata $16 million salary cap figure, but his roster status isn't changing."

 

Does that seem to say that we aren't cutting Ngata?

 

 

I read the same.  Not sure what "roster status isn't changing" means.  Maybe there is an imminent deal? don't know.

[BmoreBird22]

I would just hate if the Ravens caved and didn't get a deal done with Ngata and ended up completely missing out on FA. As it stands, I don't even know if they can sign their draft class

[balfan23]

It does appear that the move with Suggs at this time allows us to go past 4pm today without cutting Ngata. I haven't added it all up, but I think that based on yesterday's tenders, we'd have been over the cap without this move. 

 

I hope this means the FO believes they are close to a deal with Ngata and don't want other teams making offers until they can get a deal finalized. But make no mistake, we CANNOT roll forward much longer with him eating $16M on our cap. Keeping him at that rate cripples our ability to make any other moves. 

 

The time where one must either take care of business or remove oneself from the proverbial pot is upon us. 

[Sami84]

haloti isn't worth this mess

[Tank 92]

lol.........I would just trust they know what they are doing.

[Tank 92]

"For now, it looks like Haloti Ngata will play under current salary structure, $8.5 million, in 2015. He would have made a ton on open market"

[The Mom Gene]

It does appear that the move with Suggs at this time allows us to go past 4pm today without cutting Ngata. I haven't added it all up, but I think that based on yesterday's tenders, we'd have been over the cap without this move. 

 

I hope this means the FO believes they are close to a deal with Ngata and don't want other teams making offers until they can get a deal finalized. But make no mistake, we CANNOT roll forward much longer with him eating $16M on our cap. Keeping him at that rate cripples our ability to make any other moves. 

 

The time where one must either take care of business or remove oneself from the proverbial pot is upon us. 

I think you're right.  And to sit here and believe that Ngata is worth that $16M hit is insane. (This year and next). He's not.  He had reduced snaps last year, and was limping around half of the season.  When you have Timmy Jernigan sitting there, who is a very capable NT, and helps the team...  I mean, he played really well last season.  You gotta do what is best for the team...  not the man.

[The Mom Gene]

And apparently Suggs didn't want him going anywhere... but it's pretty bad when Suggs will take the hit and restructure... and the man that needs to won't.

[Tank 92]

I think you're right.  And to sit here and believe that Ngata is worth that $16M hit is insane.  He's not.  He had reduced snaps last year, and was limping around half of the season.  When you have Timmy Jernigan sitting there, who is a very capable NT, and helps the team...  I mean, he played really well last season.  You gotta do what is best for the team...  not the man.

 

I would guess the bonus will be restructured and kicked down the road to lower the $16 mil. number.

[Sami84]

cut him..hes a depreciating asset who's a great run stuffer and an average pass rusher. He's 32 soon and is on the decline..its a no brainer.

 

He was paid like he was warren sapp. he's not

[Sami84]

i actualy don't think ngata is worth the restructure. I think he's past his prime and is replaceable.

[Tank 92]

And apparently Suggs didn't want him going anywhere... but it's pretty bad when Suggs will take the hit and restructure... and the man that needs to won't.

 

Don't dig the hole any deeper with suppositions.  lol   Wait for all of the details to come to light before you judge.

[GrimCoconut]

I'm not trying to suggest we're going to trade Ngata here, but if you don't want Ngata to go on the free market as a cut and would rather trade him, you gain leverage from teams hoping you'd cut him. This would, in turn, increase his value in the trade market and would help prevent us from looking desperate. By doing a restructure with Suggs, it reduces your desperation and gives you (the team) control.

Furthermore, it's not impossible that we retain Ngata at his current salary. We can always focus on Yanda as an extension to free up cap.

[BmoreBird22]

The Ravens have $2.4M in cap space and unless they want to trade up and blow all their picks, they can't even afford a full draft class, let alone a FA

[The Mom Gene]

Don't dig the hole any deeper with suppositions.  lol   Wait for all of the details to come to light before you judge.

There's lot's of suppositions out there today....  I'm just sayin....

[The Mom Gene]

The Ravens have $2.4M in cap space and unless they want to trade up and blow all their picks, they can't even afford a full draft class, let alone a FA

...and sign Forsett????  makes life interesting in Ravens land today!

[trevorsteadman]

i actualy don't think ngata is worth the restructure. I think he's past his prime and is replaceable.

You're kidding right? Ngata is one of the best players in the league still. I would say he's a top 5 defensive lineman in the NFL. The reason he didn't go to the pro bowl last season was because of his drug violation. He was the reason the defensive line last year and the pass rush was incredible. Did you not see him in the play offs or the 12 games in the season he did play? He deserves the money he signed that contract I would be happy to see him in a Ravens uniform playing for that 16 million dollars this season. It would be nice to extend him but he has the edge. Losing him creates even more dead money. It feels like every person wants to cut players who don't contract restructure when they are playing for their families and they are living up to their contracts. 

[trevorsteadman]

Nope. 31 is ancient for DTs, especially DTs that are frequently injured.

You mean the guy who played all 12 games last season and all the play off games? Hmmm.. 

[BmoreBlitz]

And apparently Suggs didn't want him going anywhere... but it's pretty bad when Suggs will take the hit and restructure... and the man that needs to won't.

Suggs' circumstance allowed him to help the team's immediate cap need at no cost to himself. He makes every penny that he was slated to make

[Tank 92]

I'm not trying to suggest we're going to trade Ngata here, but if you don't want Ngata to go on the free market as a cut and would rather trade him, you gain leverage from teams hoping you'd cut him. This would, in turn, increase his value in the trade market and would help prevent us from looking desperate. By doing a restructure with Suggs, it reduces your desperation and gives you (the team) control.

Furthermore, it's not impossible that we retain Ngata at his current salary. We can always focus on Yanda as an extension to free up cap.

 

 

Both possible....... $8.5 mil. is not over the top for base salary and if he stays his pro rated bonus could be rolled over to the future in some sort of restructure/extension.

[The Mom Gene]

Suggs' circumstance allowed him to help the team's immediate cap need at no cost to himself. He makes every penny that he was slated to make

I agree...  100%.  And Ngata could do the same... that's all I'm sayin.  The idea that Ngata is just sitting around wanting to collect could be a little naïve.  But I also believe that he has the same ability.  To lower his CAP hit, and then maybe earn some of it back through incentives or an extension as well.