New Deal for Ngata Coming?

[Militant X 1]

Hopefully, my commentary from before is not construed as "hate". It is more like "disappointment". We've seen many other players take team friendly deals at the ends of their careers ... I was hoping (and since this isn't really over ... still hope) that Ngata would go that route.

 

Haters are going to hate Mili!  lol  They don't understand how important his play has been to the success of the team, or they think he is somehow trying to bleed the team dry.

 

I still think that there's more of chance than not that a deal gets worked out. All of the speculation is just that, speculation. Of course there is always the chance that they can't find common ground and Haloti leaves, but I don't think that's likely. I'll be very surprised if it does, and if he does get the ax, oh well, stuff happens. Doesn't change how great of a player he is, and has been for the Ravens.

 

I'm just amazed at how one minute this fan base can sing the praises of our top players (i.e. Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, Todd Heap and now Haloti Ngata etc.) and then once they don't do what fans expect or want them to do (i.e. take pay cuts to stay in Baltimore etc.) now all of a sudden they start trashing their names in this place!  Whatever happened to the mantra....

 

STAY CLASSY RAVENS?

[flynismo]

I'm just amazed at how one minute this fan base can sing the praises of our top players (i.e. Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, Todd Heap and now Haloti Ngata etc.) and then once they don't do what fans expect or want them to do (i.e. take pay cuts to stay in Baltimore etc.) now all of a sudden they start trashing their names in this place! Whatever happened to the mantra....

STAY CLASSY RAVENS?

I dont think anyone is really trashing him, unless i missed something..just people saying he has underperformed except for this year -- which people have been saying all along -- and that he takes plays off

[cursona pirate]

Well Saturday is going to be over soon. If we don't see a deal by tomorrow then he will probably be cut.

[flynismo]

Takes some plays off? This ain't, and hasn't been college........smh

It's posts like this that fuels the guy's rants.

I definitely think he does give less than full effort some weeks. I cant think of any other reason why lesser players have erased him the past few seasons...injuries excluded

[PurpleCity5]

Who would give up a 3rd round pick for a guy that could be on the open market anyways?  There's not much value in a guy that has the option of being released or traded, assuming we can't agree on an extension.

No one would give us a third. A 5th or 4th is possible, a team like Detroit could accept it given that Suh will be the top guy and Ngata would be a great replacement, granted he's not as good as Suh, he's still a very good player. It could also keep him off the market as well. 

 

But a 3rd is wishful thinking. 

[HoldingCall]

I guess anything is possible, but it's pretty much forgone that he will not be playing at a $16M cap number.  We can't afford that if we want to fill out the rest of our team.

Hopefully the exodus of players will not resemble the number and quality lost after 2012; seems the possibility exist.

[HoldingCall]

The odds of that are infinitesimal. $16M for Ngata is too much for a team that has a ton of cap room, let alone a team that is currently strapped. 

 

At present, we don't have enough cap space to tender RFAs and sign any EFRAs that we may wish to retain. We'll need to make those moves before 4 PM on Tuesday. So, if we've not come to an agreement with Ngata by Tuesday morning, he will be cut. 

Chances of a new deal is beginning to look bleak.

[FlocksGottaFeed]

They'll Get the Ngata Deal Done...Hopefully
 

If the FO can get Ngata's guaranteed money this year up to reflect approximately a $10MIL cap hit from $16MIL this season - I believe he'll stay. In addition, I believe a restructured contract from Webb or a few other moves will help this deal.

 

Ngata's agent has always waited to the last minute to ink an agreement so the Tuesday, March 10th, 4 pm deadline doesn't bother me. There's been alot of activity with FA coverage in the last 3 days and Ngata coverage is no where to be found on ESPN and NFL Network. Absolutely no mention. One of the top players at his position? Why is that? Maybe they know something that we don't. It's very possible that they want to see the activity and market value of Suh, Wilfork, etc. before they commit to a guaranteed money (Suggs-like) extension. It makes sense. Future projections are critical for Ngata if he stays.

 

FOR EXAMPLE: Restructure Webb to $2.5 off cap and get $1MIL more from Gino release or other moves = $3.5MIL more cap money to guarantee towards Ngata's $10MIL this season with the balance of guaranteed money spread-out in upcoming years (so he loses nothing). If we cut him we're looking at an $8MIL+ cap savings, but if we secure that deal we're looking at only a 6.5MIL cap savings. That said which scenario would you like, $1.5MIL additionally paid-out against the cap to a proven elite position player or $1.5MIL added to the $4MIL cap space? That's not a lot of difference and other scenarios would reach similar numbers.

 

Now, add a $10MIL plus cap increase to next year's cap space for all teams (projections). The cap will grow larger with $9BIL+ earnings that the NFL has been reaching yearly. Now, Ngata's Suggs-like new extension doesn't look that bad. I think we'll figure out a way to keep Ngata here.

 

In Oz I trust.

[chunkywill25]

I'm gettin antsy just waiting to hear about any FA move.

[FlocksGottaFeed]

They'll Get the Ngata Deal Done...Hopefully

 

If the FO can get Ngata's guaranteed money this year up to reflect approximately a $10MIL cap hit from $16MIL this season - I believe he'll stay. In addition, I believe a restructured contract from Webb or a few other moves will help this deal.

 

Ngata's agent has always waited to the last minute to ink an agreement so the Tuesday, March 10th, 4 pm deadline doesn't bother me. There's been alot of activity with FA coverage in the last 3 days and Ngata coverage is no where to be found on ESPN and NFL Network. Absolutely no mention. One of the top players at his position? Why is that? Maybe they know something that we don't. It's very possible that they want to see the activity and market value of Suh, Wilfork, etc. before they commit to a guaranteed money (Suggs-like) extension. It makes sense. Future projections are critical for Ngata if he stays.

 

FOR EXAMPLE: Restructure Webb to $2.5 off cap and get $1MIL more from Gino release or other moves = $3.5MIL more cap money to guarantee towards Ngata's $10MIL this season with the balance of guaranteed money spread-out in upcoming years (so he loses nothing). If we cut him we're looking at an $8MIL+ cap savings, but if we secure that deal we're looking at only a 6.5MIL cap savings. That said which scenario would you like, $1.5MIL additionally paid-out against the cap to a proven elite position player or $1.5MIL added to the $4MIL cap space? That's not a lot of difference and other scenarios would reach similar numbers.

 

Now, add a $10MIL plus cap increase to next year's cap space for all teams (projections). The cap will grow larger with $9BIL+ earnings that the NFL has been reaching yearly. Now, Ngata's Suggs-like new extension doesn't look that bad. I think we'll figure out a way to keep Ngata here.

 

In Oz I trust.

NFL Network's 1st Article Ravens - Yet, No Mention of Ngata?

http://www.nfl.com/freeagency/story/0ap3000000477008/article/2015-nfl-free-agency-primer-biggest-needs-for-each-afc-team

What's that all about? I think he stays.

[sflegend89]

Bottom line, our cap situation is terrible (Thanks Ray Rice), if we bring back Ngata we will sign Forsett and then literally not do jack in FA (Even for Ravens standards).

 

Our secondary is the biggest weakness on the entire team, it's the reason we lost to the Pats. Ngata didn't mean squat when we were getting quick passes thrown against our corners on nearly every down.  It sounds cliche but it's a passing league, the 2 teams in SB had the 2 most stacked secondaries in the NFL. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to diminish Ngata's impact, he's still a very good player but when you can't cover on the most basic levels you're not getting the most out of him or even anywhere close. It would be great if we could keep Ngata AND add a proven corner but it's not financially possible. It would be great if a player like Marcus Peters fell to us in the draft but you can't risk an entire unit on the draft going the way we want it to, it rarely ever does.

 

We could have Ngata, Geno Atkins, and Suh for all a team like the Patriots care.. they get neutralized by the quick passing game if you don't have the corners to slow them down. Our two top corners are injury prone, no more gambling on them staying healthy only to get burned when it counts and saying "Maybe next year". I love Ngata I really do, but our team has a very pressing need at cb and a great FA class at that position. As fans we get emotionally attached to certain players but you have to think like a GM and think about what we need to become a better football team. Brandon Williams and Jernigan are ready, I think it's already a forgone conclusion for Ozzie regarding Ngata.

[52520Andrew]

I'm just amazed at how one minute this fan base can sing the praises of our top players (i.e. Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, Todd Heap and now Haloti Ngata etc.) and then once they don't do what fans expect or want them to do (i.e. take pay cuts to stay in Baltimore etc.) now all of a sudden they start trashing their names in this place! Whatever happened to the mantra....

STAY CLASSY RAVENS?

I don't think anyone is trash talking him, they just don't think Ngata is worth 16 mil to keep him around. I think most people would love to see him back at a reduced cost but understand that if he goes, we can spend the 8.5 mil we save and still end up okay. League is a business and fans have learned long ago that you can't become too emotionally attached to these guys with the way free agency is.

[K-Dog]

the day is nearing an end.

 

Sure has been quiet out in Owings Mills.

[kassaiscool]

You can count a handful of players that are worth 16 mill, and only one d-linemen in JJ Watt.  If he doesn't want to take a pay cut, then cut him and take your loss now.

[sflegend89]

I'm just amazed at how one minute this fan base can sing the praises of our top players (i.e. Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, Todd Heap and now Haloti Ngata etc.) and then once they don't do what fans expect or want them to do (i.e. take pay cuts to stay in Baltimore etc.) now all of a sudden they start trashing their names in this place!  Whatever happened to the mantra....

 

STAY CLASSY RAVENS?

 

You're making it personal my man, it's business. I really haven't seen anyone trashing Ngata as a player, just pointing out that we're in a horrible cap situation, Ngata is our biggest cap hit currently, and we have Brandon Williams and Jernigan who are young and very talented waiting in the wings. I don't expect any player to take a pay cut to stay in Baltimore, but I also don't expect our FO to pay players exorbitant salaries when it doesn't make sense from a roster perspective even if they're a future HOF'er.  

 

I definitely don't approve of anyone diminishing what Ngata has done for this franchise but I am in the camp of "It makes financial sense part ways with Ngata". If we didn't have guys like Williams and Jernigan I probably would want to pay Ngata but we can get similar production out of those 2 for a fraction of the cost and be able to use that money at an area of weakness. If we were in a better cap situation we could keep Ngata and address other positions but the way the numbers stack up this year he's become a casualty of the Ray Rice dead money. It's an unfortunate situation because we all love Ngata and want to keep him in Baltimore but these are the tough decisions you have to make as a GM and I trust Ozzie either way but it's looking like Ngata is gone.

[Bruce_Almty]

the day is nearing an end.

 

Sure has been quiet out in Owings Mills.

 

I was thinking the same thing; we have zero of our FAs re-signed, no restructures, no extension; only releases.   Thirty-six hours until the crap hits the fan.

[RavensFanMania]

Apparently Jason LaCanfora thinks Ngata has played his last game as a Raven

I guess that means Ngata is as good as restructured.  IMO whatever JLC says it is the exact opposite.

[The Raven]

Takes some plays off? This ain't, and hasn't been college........smh

It's posts like this that fuels the guy's rants.

 

I'm just amazed at how one minute this fan base can sing the praises of our top players (i.e. Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, Todd Heap and now Haloti Ngata etc.) and then once they don't do what fans expect or want them to do (i.e. take pay cuts to stay in Baltimore etc.) now all of a sudden they start trashing their names in this place!  Whatever happened to the mantra....

 

STAY CLASSY RAVENS?

 

You can love a player and admire his talents while acknowledging his faults. Even I'll admit Flacco makes mistakes, but I'm not trashing him. If mentioning that Ngata has a history of taking plays off is trashing him, then I just don't even know what to say.

[The Raven]

I guess that means Ngata is as good as restructured.  IMO whatever JLC says it is the exact opposite.

 

History shows that La Canfora is right 99 percent of the time., but okay.

[Ravenseconbeast]

I just wish there was a way we could get new contracts with Yanda and Jimmy to lower their cap hit, get Webb to restructure and be able to keep Ngata at his contract. That way we have a whole another year to get Ngata extended.

I imagine this will go on til Tuesday and either he'll be released or extended.

Not restructure..a pay cut for Webb. His nowhere near worth the money we are giving him.

[rmcjacket23]

You can count a handful of players that are worth 16 mill, and only one d-linemen in JJ Watt.  If he doesn't want to take a pay cut, then cut him and take your loss now.

He's making $8.5M, not $16M. There's no paycut to be taken....its an extension or he walks.

[jbwnbf]

Do we have to cut him or can we hold on to him after if he doesn't restructure before the deadline?  If he doesn't, I kind of see the Ravens trying to trade him after Suh picks his destination.

[rmcjacket23]

Do we have to cut him or can we hold on to him after if he doesn't restructure before the deadline?  If he doesn't, I kind of see the Ravens trying to trade him after Suh picks his destination.

We could hold onto him, but it would really restrict our ability to sign most if any players.

 

I don't think he has much trade value, so I wouldn't be expecting a trade to happen.

[Tank 92]

I definitely think he does give less than full effort some weeks. I cant think of any other reason why lesser players have erased him the past few seasons...injuries excluded

Well, you busted your own myth with the last two words of your post. And he only missed what, three, four games in the two years(few?) while playing through injuries? Even during those times he was eating up blockers and doing the grunt work that allowed others to shine.

[Guest]

Ngata is more to the Raven Defense than his raw numbers.  He is a leader and a stalwart force.  We've seen what the on the field results are when he is not present.

 

It will be a catastrophe if we cannot find a way to keep him a Raven.  It would go beyond the loss of Ngata, it would be more evidence of an organizational failure. All things are not unavoidable, but if they occur there is a reason.

You're making it personal my man, it's business. I really haven't seen anyone trashing Ngata as a player, just pointing out that we're in a horrible cap situation, Ngata is our biggest cap hit currently, and we have Brandon Williams and Jernigan who are young and very talented waiting in the wings. I don't expect any player to take a pay cut to stay in Baltimore, but I also don't expect our FO to pay players exorbitant salaries when it doesn't make sense from a roster perspective even if they're a future HOF'er.  

 

I definitely don't approve of anyone diminishing what Ngata has done for this franchise but I am in the camp of "It makes financial sense part ways with Ngata". If we didn't have guys like Williams and Jernigan I probably would want to pay Ngata but we can get similar production out of those 2 for a fraction of the cost and be able to use that money at an area of weakness. If we were in a better cap situation we could keep Ngata and address other positions but the way the numbers stack up this year he's become a casualty of the Ray Rice dead money. It's an unfortunate situation because we all love Ngata and want to keep him in Baltimore but these are the tough decisions you have to make as a GM and I trust Ozzie either way but it's looking like Ngata is gone.

[balfan23]

I'm just amazed at how one minute this fan base can sing the praises of our top players (i.e. Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, Todd Heap and now Haloti Ngata etc.) and then once they don't do what fans expect or want them to do (i.e. take pay cuts to stay in Baltimore etc.) now all of a sudden they start trashing their names in this place!  Whatever happened to the mantra....

 

STAY CLASSY RAVENS?

I stated that my sentiment is "disappointment" and not "hate" - yet you quoted me and wrote this. I then suppose being disappointed that a player of ours may not doing what many other players do and that is take a team friendly deal at the end of their careers to finish out with a single team and/or to allow their current team to be competitive is somehow showing a lack of class.

 

Trashing his name? I said if he walks it will hurt his legacy. How exactly is that trashing his name? I guess sometimes people read into posts things that aren't there when it suits their angle. 

[redrum52]

I believe that there's Ngata chance of us keeping him at this point. I've just started thinking about what is done with the extra cap. Hope the big guy retires with us, but don't see it happening. If he was to leave would like to see him go to the Packers. Still a chance at a SB and I wouldn't mind seeing Rodgers with another ring. Also out of our conference.

On another note, we should start having late round defenders pay us for playing on defense. They come here then get paid big time. We're like an internship for front 7 defenders.

[FlocksGottaFeed]

I stated that my sentiment is "disappointment" and not "hate" - yet you quoted me and wrote this. I then suppose being disappointed that a player of ours may not doing what many other players do and that is take a team friendly deal at the end of their careers to finish out with a single team and/or to allow their current team to be competitive is somehow showing a lack of class.

 

Trashing his name? I said if he walks it will hurt his legacy. How exactly is that trashing his name? I guess sometimes people read into posts things that aren't there when it suits their angle. 

I would have to agree that his legacy will be somewhat tarnished if he leaves and I'm certain that it's a concern of his during these negotiations, as well (ex: J. Peppers). That's not taking away from everything he's done for us. We're just in a jacked-up position right now that no one could have predicted. I wish UnderArmour or Nike would sign him to a multimillion deal right now pending he remains a Raven, but there may be rules against that. I don't know. That said, somehow we've got to get him around the market rate or it's not looking good for the home team.

 

Hopefully, we figure it out before Tuesday.

[PurpleCity5]

With Suh signing with Miami, I strongly feel that if Detroit wants to lower the hit of there defense, taking Ngata would be possible in a trade. 

 

FWIW, I'd love to keep Ngata, this is a scenario I envision. 

[gametyme]

It would be and absolute pleasant surprise if we keep Ngata. The pessimist in me says he is already gone but I'm holding out some faint hope. I would think he would be open to a restructure and just push around when he gets the money, but what do I know. I'll just hold on to the little bit of faith I have that he is back in purple and black.