New Deal for Ngata Coming?

[sflegend89]

Again, also might be in the minority here but I actually want to part ways with Ngata. Nothing personal, always been a fan of his but we desperately need the cap room to shore up other areas of the team. We didn't get eliminated because of our interior DL, Williams and Jernigan are more than ready to step into that role full time. We lost to the Pats because we couldn't stop a nose bleed in the passing game. I would much rather re-invest Ngata's money into the secondary. 

[Moderator 3]

I'd rather keep him (at a reasonable price) than take a chance with someone new. I hope they get a deal worked out.

[FlocksGottaFeed]

I'd rather keep him (at a reasonable price) than take a chance with someone new. I hope they get a deal worked out.

Agreed. The most relevant aspect that came out of that interview for me was when McFarland said,

(I paraphrase) "He wants to stay...it's just a matter of the Ravens making right adjustments and negotiations to better the cap in order to extend him on a Sugg-like deal. It can get done". None of the projected moves seem beyond measure and/or would hinder us from being a competitive playoff/SB contender.

 

It's promising knowing that we've got some of the best people in the league at the helm for sculpturing deals.

 

It's still possible. In Oz I trust.

[sflegend89]

I'd rather keep him (at a reasonable price) than take a chance with someone new. I hope they get a deal worked out.

 

What's wrong with Brandon Williams/Jernigan? We wouldn't need anyone "new" we have really solid in house options already. Of course it would be great to keep Ngata, he's still a really good player. But when you look at our cap situation it comes down to how can we help our football team the most with that money. To me the answer is clearly to invest that money in the secondary where we struggled significantly last year and ultimately missed out on a SB imo because of our lack of quality depth there.

 

It's worth losing Ngata to be able to add a guy like McCourtey, Flowers, or Maxwell to our secondary, it would make us a more well rounded defense.

[TDubbs]

What's wrong with Brandon Williams/Jernigan? We wouldn't need anyone "new" we have really solid in house options already. 

 

Exactly, those guys are young and talented. Additionally we've proven to be very good at finding DL talent in the mid to late rounds; as well as cheap FA's and camp cuts. I don't feel we can afford to have such a large cap hit with Ngata when there are other areas that need to be addressed. 

[flynismo]

Well, that has been the knock on Ngata since his college days, and there has always been those whispers during his time here. In this case, i do not believe it is a myth at all, though normally i would agree with your sentiment.

[sflegend89]

Exactly, those guys are young and talented. Additionally we've proven to be very good at finding DL talent in the mid to late rounds; as well as cheap FA's and camp cuts. I don't feel we can afford to have such a large cap hit with Ngata when there are other areas that need to be addressed. 

 

Spot on man. People love Ngata because he's meant so much to the franchise over the years but these roster decisions aren't personal for Ozzie & company, it's strictly business. I wouldn't hold my breathe on a new deal for Ngata, that's a lot of money we could be spending on our weak positions like CB and Safety and we already have young talent at Ngata's position and have been been able to draft well there too as you pointed out.

 

Ozzie's M.O. is to part ways when players become expendable and their salaries start to hinder our ability to take care of positions of weakness. We saw it happen with Ed Reed, who I'm sure was one of Ozzie's all time favorite Ravens. It's a numbers game and our cap situation is really bad as it stands if we want to add a quality FA in the secondary. It makes more sense to move on from Ngata and address an area of weakness. Our DL will be just fine without Ngata as much as that hurts to say as a big fan of the guy.

[stampedehero]

Speculation and I'll further speculate that he will find a home in Indy.

[January J]

I agree with Sflegend.. Would rather invest the money in secondary and get a mccourty, maxwell, flowers etc. I'm confident we can get the job done with Williams and jerni. We wouldn't have to put our trust in anything unknown, fortunately we got a chance to see them in action for 4 games and held up well.( granted they were playing less than mediocre teams ) it's one of those situations I will be satisfied either way. If we keep him we will have that much more depth. Really a win win for us as long as we address the secondary somewhere.

[rmcjacket23]

I agree with Sflegend.. Would rather invest the money in secondary and get a mccourty, maxwell, flowers etc. I'm confident we can get the job done with Williams and jerni. We wouldn't have to put our trust in anything unknown, fortunately we got a chance to see them in action for 4 games and held up well.( granted they were playing less than mediocre teams ) it's one of those situations I will be satisfied either way. If we keep him we will have that much more depth. Really a win win for us as long as we address the secondary somewhere.

The problem is, even if we cut Ngata, I don't suspect we will be playing in the high-end secondary market in FA.

[MTRavensFan]

The problem is, even if we cut Ngata, I don't suspect we will be playing in the high-end secondary market in FA.

Exactly.

Too many of our own to sign first. Might not be too much left over at that point, and we normally don't play in the first flurry of FA anyway.

[rmcjacket23]

Exactly.

Too many of our own to sign first. Might not be too much left over at that point, and we normally don't play in the first flurry of FA anyway.

And the fact that I don't think the FO thinks the secondary is a problem. I'm sure they'd like to add some depth or possibly a starter at safety, but I think they're willing to wait another year to figure that out.

 

It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if we only added depth at corner via a mid round draft pick and/or a cheap FA.

[Militant X 1]

Where is all of this Ngata hate coming from all of a sudden?  Wow!

[balfan23]

I'd rather keep him (at a reasonable price) than take a chance with someone new. I hope they get a deal worked out.

It is the "at a reasonable price" part that is the trick. 

[balfan23]

Where is all of this Ngata hate coming from all of a sudden?  Wow!

Hopefully, my commentary from before is not construed as "hate". It is more like "disappointment". We've seen many other players take team friendly deals at the ends of their careers ... I was hoping (and since this isn't really over ... still hope) that Ngata would go that route. 

[balfan23]

The problem is, even if we cut Ngata, I don't suspect we will be playing in the high-end secondary market in FA.

Absolutely. Dealing with Ngata's massive 2015 cap hit isn't about clearing space to make big moves ... it is about getting our head above water. 

[Tank 92]

Where is all of this Ngata hate coming from all of a sudden?  Wow!

 

 

Haters are going to hate Mili!  lol  They don't understand how important his play has been to the success of the team, or they think he is somehow trying to bleed the team dry.

 

I still think that there's more of chance than not that a deal gets worked out. All of the speculation is just that, speculation. Of course there is always the chance that they can't find common ground and Haloti leaves, but I don't think that's likely. I'll be very surprised if it does, and if he does get the ax, oh well, stuff happens. Doesn't change how great of a player he is, and has been for the Ravens.

[GrimCoconut]

Haters are going to hate Mili! lol They don't understand how important his play has been to the success of the team, or they think he is somehow trying to bleed the team dry.

I still think that there's more of chance than not that a deal gets worked out. All of the speculation is just that, speculation. Of course there is always the chance that they can't find common ground and Haloti leaves, but I don't think that's likely. I'll be very surprised if it does, and if he does get the ax, oh well, stuff happens. Doesn't change how great of a player he is, and has been for the Ravens.

We've talked about this before and I'd like to see him stay. I just think that a cap move is likely. I'd also rather get a top FS like McCourty than Ngata but I'd also like to keep Ngata too. I'm only concerned he might not continue to play at a high level.

I'm actually really conflicted on this subject. On one hand, I'd like to sell while his value is high and on the other I'd rather we keep him because of what he means to the defense.

[flynismo]

Not just fans...go check out his scouting reports from his college days

[BmoreBird22]

Not just fans...go check out his scouting reports from his college days

When I heard Daniel Jeremiah compare Danny Shelton to Ngata, he said the big difference was Ngata took plays off, but Shelton goes full blast on every play

[Hey Diddle]

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Osemele, if he didn't get injured last year and several games this year would be known as the best guard in the NFL right now even over teammate Yanda!! Don't get me wrong Yanda is a terrific guard and is coming off a great year and viewed as the best guard in the NFL and rightfully so!! However Osemele is the most talented and feared guard in the NFL!! Just ask Wilfork how terrorfied he is of going one on one with Osemele. The patsies had to schemes to keep Wilfork away from Osemele at so that the patsies don't see their tough guy manhandled and beaten up and hurt team confidence. Only thing keeping Osemele from his crown of best guard is losing reps to injury thus hurting his experience. He is the modern day Larry Allen. Carl Nicks was considered the most dominant guard since Larry Allen. Over 350 lbs and Nicks could actually have played RT if they needed him. He played LT at Nebraska and although weighing over 350 lbs he was more in shape than expected. As matter of fact losing him is what kept the saints from repeating. Aside from dominant blocking he brought a dominance and attitude to the saints offense that could strike terror back in tough defenses that usually intimidated offenses. Jarhi Evans is another mauling guard and at time they lost Nicks he was the best RG in the NFL. Evans was more established and experienced than Nicks as a a multi year all propro but Nicks was the OLineman that gave the saints dynamic but finesse offense a tough and dominant identity. It was actually the guard tandem of Nicks and Evans that took over the line of scrimmage in the superpowl. The saints let Nicks go and replaced him with Ben Grubbs over $2mil a year in price difference. Grubbs was a pro bowl caliber guard and they knew their key on offense was the dominant physical mauling dominance that nicks@Evans brought and combined with an elite rythym prolific offense that made them so great on offense. Losing the most dominant and feared guard on their team and all of football although Evans was their most established guard like Yanda is for the ravens. However although Grubbs is a better than average guard the saints seriously missed Nicks like the Cowboys missed their most feared OLineman Erik Williams and weren't the same team.

Pro bowl All Pro or even great OLineman consistently make their blocks and are technically very elite while very tough of course. However every now and then an OLineman comes along that does all that but takes it to a level of dominance. They strike fear in defenses that usually intimidate offenses. Osemele is that rare OLineman. He is 336 lbs, not as heavy as Nicks but Osemele has ab muscles as a 336lb lineman!! That's unheard of, he has left tackle athleticism but loves dominating in the trenches!! And he is a huge reason for ravens offensive success both throwing and running. He may not be the leader but he sets the tone for the ravens dominant OLine. All pro players that are leaders are very valuable on offense but a dominator like Osemele is very rare. BTW the OLine if everybody is playing is the best in the NFL and a reason the ravens offense was so prolific with a WR group consisting of a 35 yr old, one trick pony and undrafted WRs. The ravens aren't overpaying Ngata
Cuz they prefer keeping the best OLine in the NFL together.

 

Totally agree here.  I have no problem losing Ngata if we can get KO and Jimmy signed!  We have to lose some guys this year, so we can sign everybody next year!  I just don't get why are players never take deals before they play out their rookie contracts. 

[HoldingCall]

Since Ngata is not a free agent and his contract has not expired is it possible that no new deal is achieved and he remains here?

[rmw10]

Since Ngata is not a free agent and his contract has not expired is it possible that no new deal is achieved and he remains here?

 

I guess anything is possible, but it's pretty much forgone that he will not be playing at a $16M cap number.  We can't afford that if we want to fill out the rest of our team.

[balfan23]

Since Ngata is not a free agent and his contract has not expired is it possible that no new deal is achieved and he remains here?

The odds of that are infinitesimal. $16M for Ngata is too much for a team that has a ton of cap room, let alone a team that is currently strapped. 

 

At present, we don't have enough cap space to tender RFAs and sign any EFRAs that we may wish to retain. We'll need to make those moves before 4 PM on Tuesday. So, if we've not come to an agreement with Ngata by Tuesday morning, he will be cut. 

[PurpleCity5]

The odds of that are infinitesimal. $16M for Ngata is too much for a team that has a ton of cap room, let alone a team that is currently strapped. 

 

At present, we don't have enough cap space to tender RFAs and sign any EFRAs that we may wish to retain. We'll need to make those moves before 4 PM on Tuesday. So, if we've not come to an agreement with Ngata by Tuesday morning, he will be cut. 

I think we'll shop Ngata before we cut him. As much as I love the guy the 16M cap hit is nearly unbearable and the tender for Will Hill may not be too enticing, I feel like we can't let him leave but the tender is pretty costly. 

[Tank 92]

We've talked about this before and I'd like to see him stay. I just think that a cap move is likely. I'd also rather get a top FS like McCourty than Ngata but I'd also like to keep Ngata too. I'm only concerned he might not continue to play at a high level.

I'm actually really conflicted on this subject. On one hand, I'd like to sell while his value is high and on the other I'd rather we keep him because of what he means to the defense.

I think you have to hope a deal is worked out for him to stay. If he is cut it's pretty much a lose, lose. No Haloti and another big pile of dead money.

[The Raven]

Not just fans...go check out his scouting reports from his college days

 

While he checks the scouting reports, he should check his eyesight. Doesn't take a lot to see Ngata takes some plays off.

[Cillmatic]

How good of a pick do you think Ngata would get us? If we can get a 3rd round pick out of it that would be great.

[rmw10]

How good of a pick do you think Ngata would get us? If we can get a 3rd round pick out of it that would be great.

 

Who would give up a 3rd round pick for a guy that could be on the open market anyways?  There's not much value in a guy that has the option of being released or traded, assuming we can't agree on an extension.

[Tank 92]

While he checks the scouting reports, he should check his eyesight. Doesn't take a lot to see Ngata takes some plays off.

Takes some plays off? This ain't, and hasn't been college........smh

It's posts like this that fuels the guy's rants.