New Deal for Ngata Coming?

[Militant X 1]

Yeah - I saw that as well. The basic message seems to be - money is more important than happiness. You need to make hay while the sun shines ... yeah, I get it ...  if Canty is talking to Justin Forsett. They guy has made nothing more than a living up until now. He needs to cash in NOW - where ever that may be. This is his one and only chance to make life changing money. He's got to take it. 

 

However, when you're Ngata and you've already pulled in life changing money 5 times over ... do you really need to stack a couple extra million on top of the stacks of millions you've already been paid at the expense of what you may really want to do with your life? 

 

Who knows ... maybe he wants to be somewhere else. Maybe he is tired of being here and wants a new environment. Can't blame him if that's what he really wants to do. It is either that, or he's walking for a little extra money on top of a mountain of money. Either way, it is not going to endear him with the Ravens fan base. His status of icon will be flushed. 

 

The message isn't money is more important than happiness the message is this is a business!  So why can't Ngata go where he can make the most money for his services?  As the owner of the Ravens, Bisciotti is constantly stacking a couple extra million on top of the stacks of millions he already has why can't these players do the same thing to prepare for their futures beyond the game?  They won't always have football!  And at the end of the day, unfortunately, most NFL players struggle financially after retirement.  I say get your paper while you can get your paper in this league.  Ngata will still be a beast in my eyes even if he leaves cause after all...THIS IS BUSINESS! 

[Grapple Raven]

@Mili and balfan  Don't get me wrong, I get what Canty is alluding to...referencing the business side of football...and it is valid.   I just found it slightly amusing, that after he said all that, he then said he would love to come back and play for the Ravens, knowing he isn't going to get top dollar, lol.  I just found it ironic, but such is the NFL these days, lol.

[Militant X 1]

@Mili and balfan  Don't get me wrong, I get what Canty is alluding to...referencing the business side of football...and it is valid.   I just found it slightly amusing, that after he said all that, he then said he would love to come back and play for the Ravens, knowing he isn't going to get top dollar, lol.  I just found it ironic, but such is the NFL these days, lol.

 

These guys all know what this NFL business is all about!  I believe that Canty and others would love to finish their careers in one location instead of constantly bouncing their families around the league and in different cities.  And yet, at the same time; they know that that is what may have to happen when they are on the back end of their careers so they are mentally prepared to leave if it comes to that. 

[JoeyFlex5]

Canty and Ngata were teammates on the Ravens the last two seasons, and Canty's advice to Ngata was clear.

 

"You only have a certain amount of time to make a certain amount of money, and so you've got to maximize that opportunity," Canty said. "For me, it's all about the business. You've got to take care of that part of it. As much as you'd love to stay with one organization, as much as you'd love to finish your career where it started, that's not the reality of the salary cap era in the National Football League today. So, you've got to make as much money as you can while you can still play." 

 

^ I'm all for any player trying to get the most buck for their bang so to speak.  At the end of the day, as much as I love the sport of football, the NFL is and can be a very ruthless and cutthroat business that will gobble you up and spit you out when it is done using you up at any given moment or time.  As a player, you have to be concerned about getting your money when you can get it.  Right now, when a player is "marketable" that is the time to cash in cause at some point in their careers they won't be as marketable.  I'd love to see Ngata stay but if he bolts for more cash...cool and good for him!

weve seen time and time again, an elite player on the tail end of his career, goes and takes a deal elsewhere and is released within a year or 2 and suddenly they become an outcast of the league, while we are offering an extension that gives him long term security until he is ready to hang it up, if he wants to turn down what i imagine is a very respectable extension that will give him plenty of money in the long term to add on top of his current mountains of cash, so that he can go get a quick buck, well then thats on him. 

 

its not like were robbing ngata, were just lowering his cap hit and giving him the same amount of money he would receive elsewhere, only spread out instead of getting it all in the form of a lump sum signing bonus.

[JoeyFlex5]

Correct me if I am missing something. But was Ed's status flushed? Was Stover's?

 

I dont think his "icon" status is quite up there with those guys but I dont think people will disregard his status with us because of leaving.

 

It certainly won't help, but it wont damage it.

 

And I finally made Pro Bowl status!

we likely werent offering ed much more than a 1day contract to retire a raven, im sure im exaggerating a bit but i think the most we were offering was probably a veteran minimum and he felt that he had another season in him and we thought otherwise, different situation. 

[balfan23]

Correct me if I am missing something. But was Ed's status flushed? Was Stover's?

 

I dont think his "icon" status is quite up there with those guys but I dont think people will disregard his status with us because of leaving.

 

It certainly won't help, but it wont damage it.

 

And I finally made Pro Bowl status!

Yeah "flushed" was a bad word choice (I actually thought I edited that, but I guess not ...) ... but it will take a hit. 

[balfan23]

The message isn't money is more important than happiness the message is this is a business!  So why can't Ngata go where he can make the most money for his services?  As the owner of the Ravens, Bisciotti is constantly stacking a couple extra million on top of the stacks of millions he already has why can't these players do the same thing to prepare for their futures beyond the game?  They won't always have football!  And at the end of the day, unfortunately, most NFL players struggle financially after retirement.  I say get your paper while you can get your paper in this league.  Ngata will still be a beast in my eyes even if he leaves cause after all...THIS IS BUSINESS! 

I know it is a business - but I just don't understand the value placed on money above all else. What I do for a living is a business. I am not under contract, yet I do not go seeking out the next new job to make me more money when I realize everything else I may be giving up leaving where I am ... leaving people I like and am comfortable working with, leaving a position where I am given responsibilities that I enjoy fulfilling and where I know that they treat me well ... living in a place where I am raising my family and that I have grown to love.

 

A sacrifice of money when you have amassed all you'll need in your lifetime (if you don't act like a fool, of course) seems worth it to me. Suggs understood it ... Peyton seems to understand it. But in the end it is his decision, if in his mind the difference in money is worth more than the other intangibles then he is free to walk. I just don't have to like it. 

[Dewy101]

All I know is that both sides are moving extremely slow not in just Ngatas case but also Webb. I'm assuming it won't be a good ending for both parties.

[Militant X 1]

I know it is a business - but I just don't understand the value placed on money above all else. What I do for a living is a business. I am not under contract, yet I do not go seeking out the next new job to make me more money when I realize everything else I may be giving up leaving where I am ... leaving people I like and am comfortable working with, leaving a position where I am given responsibilities that I enjoy fulfilling and where I know that they treat me well ... living in a place where I am raising my family and that I have grown to love.

 

A sacrifice of money when you have amassed all you'll need in your lifetime (if you don't act like a fool, of course) seems worth it to me. Suggs understood it ... Peyton seems to understand it. But in the end it is his decision, if in his mind the difference in money is worth more than the other intangibles then he is free to walk. I just don't have to like it. 

 

Your job and Ngata's job are two entirely different things.  No comparison whatsoever!  Ngata is in an industry where you can be cut, traded or released at a moments notice.  Therefore, in the business of the NFL, I see absolutely nothing wrong with making as much money as you can when you are marketable.....nothing!  And, just because a few other players like Peyton or even Suggs take less money to stay in one spot that doesn't mean that that is the move that every player should make.  I'm pretty sure Ngata and his family love living in the Baltimore area and yet; if the Ravens aren't willing to pay the man what he and his agent feel his services are worth at this particular point in his career then I am pretty sure he will walk.  And, if that happens I have no issue with that whatsoever!

[JO_75]

I just wish there was a way we could get new contracts with Yanda and Jimmy to lower their cap hit, get Webb to restructure and be able to keep Ngata at his contract. That way we have a whole another year to get Ngata extended.

I imagine this will go on til Tuesday and either he'll be released or extended.

[Pirate88]

That's what agents coach to players. These owners coaches and GMs are on guaranteed $$. The players as many has learned can be cut and not make any more $$ in the NFL. The recent dramas of broke players has set an example to players about broke players that took discounts. It doesn't matter what the salary cap is, the big $$ and raises are going to elite or even good players in their prime. As the salary cap gets more $$ in the bank it doesn't keep vets from getting cut. It is just more $$ for franchise QBs and the elite players in their prime seeing more $$.

[balfan23]

Your job and Ngata's job are two entirely different things.  No comparison whatsoever!  Ngata is in an industry where you can be cut, traded or released at a moments notice.  Therefore, in the business of the NFL, I see absolutely nothing wrong with making as much money as you can when you are marketable.....nothing!  And, just because a few other players like Peyton or even Suggs take less money to stay in one spot that doesn't mean that that is the move that every player should make.  I'm pretty sure Ngata and his family love living in the Baltimore area and yet; if the Ravens aren't willing to pay the man what he and his agent feel his services are worth at this particular point in his career then I am pretty sure he will walk.  And, if that happens I have no issue with that whatsoever!

Pretty much everyone is in an industry where you can be released at a moments notice. 

 

The biggest difference between my job and his is that his job has already made him fabulously wealthy and mine has not. If he gets cut tomorrow, he won't have to worry about feeding his family. Can't say the same for myself. 

 

Again - it is his life, his choice. I understand that. But for me (and clearly not for you) if he leaves chasing money, from a fan's perspective, that will absolutely tarnish his legacy in my mind. I think we can leave it at that. 

[rmcjacket23]

Pretty much everyone is in an industry where you can be released at a moments notice. 

 

The biggest difference between my job and his is that his job has already made him fabulously wealthy and mine has not. If he gets cut tomorrow, he won't have to worry about feeding his family. Can't say the same for myself. 

 

Again - it is his life, his choice. I understand that. But for me (and clearly not for you) if he leaves chasing money, from a fan's perspective, that will absolutely tarnish his legacy in my mind. I think we can leave it at that. 

That may be true, however for many NFL players, their career and mostly their earning capacity through employment is over at the age of 30-35.

 

There aren't too many people on this planet, regardless of whether they make $20K or $200M, that can say that.

 

The one factor that is consistent, regardless of how much the job is paying, is that ZERO people on this planet are content with getting paid less than what they feel they are worth. Granted, they may not have a choice but to accept less, but no person is generally happy with that. Standard human nature is to feel valued, and in the NFL, being valued is directly correlated with how much you are paid.

[FlocksGottaFeed]

One thing that is a positive sign during this waiting period is it seems that Ngata is in good hands. His agent Mike McCartney and Priority Sports have one of the best reputations in the industry for integrity and character. They are not as self-absorbed and greed-driven as other agencies. That's an important when it comes to guy like Ngata. He's a good guy and deserves the best.

 

Jerry McQuire-Like, those guys seem to prioritize their client's quality of life, legacy and sustainability above immediate profit and opportunistic marketability. Ngata will get honest pros and cons when dealing with this huge decision.

 

I hope he's in Black and Purple at the end of the day, but whatever his decision is I wish Ngata only the best. He deserves that.

[PurpleCity5]

Time is ticking.

If we don't get a deal done, he'll be traded this Sat. or Sunday, or cut on Monday. It seems like things aren't going in the right way.

[PurpleCity5]

I just wish there was a way we could get new contracts with Yanda and Jimmy to lower their cap hit, get Webb to restructure and be able to keep Ngata at his contract. That way we have a whole another year to get Ngata extended.

I imagine this will go on til Tuesday and either he'll be released or extended.

I don't see an instance where we can lower Jimmys hit. Guy has been playing at a high level recently, his cap hit will likely increase once his new contract comes around.

[stopyellingatthetv]

Time is ticking.

If we don't get a deal done, he'll be traded this Sat. or Sunday, or cut on Monday. It seems like things aren't going in the right way.

The longer this goes on, the more nervous I get as well. I would love a deal to get done but I can see where he might want to go somewhere else for more money. He is such a large part of this team though (no pun intended) and there is a very good chance for at least one more Super Bowl run before he retires. Only a few more days until we find out. 

[ellicottraven]

The longer this goes on, the more nervous I get as well. I would love a deal to get done but I can see where he might want to go somewhere else for more money. He is such a large part of this team though (no pun intended) and there is a very good chance for at least one more Super Bowl run before he retires. Only a few more days until we find out. 

If we don't see a deal for Ngata in the next 2-3 days, consider him an ex-Raven.

[PurpleCity5]

The longer this goes on, the more nervous I get as well. I would love a deal to get done but I can see where he might want to go somewhere else for more money. He is such a large part of this team though (no pun intended) and there is a very good chance for at least one more Super Bowl run before he retires. Only a few more days until we find out.

I agree, Im getting weary of it. Whatever happens, happens, I guess Lol

[balfan23]

I just wish there was a way we could get new contracts with Yanda and Jimmy to lower their cap hit, get Webb to restructure and be able to keep Ngata at his contract. That way we have a whole another year to get Ngata extended.

I imagine this will go on til Tuesday and either he'll be released or extended.

Dealing with Yanda, Jimmy and Webb are completely independent issues from Ngata. No matter how much we save by other moves we may make, there is no way in the world that Ngata is worth his $16M cap hit and we'd be working to reduce regardless of how strapped we are for cap space. 

[Militant X 1]

Pretty much everyone is in an industry where you can be released at a moments notice. 

 

The biggest difference between my job and his is that his job has already made him fabulously wealthy and mine has not. If he gets cut tomorrow, he won't have to worry about feeding his family. Can't say the same for myself. 

 

Again - it is his life, his choice. I understand that. But for me (and clearly not for you) if he leaves chasing money, from a fan's perspective, that will absolutely tarnish his legacy in my mind. I think we can leave it at that. 

 

I'm enjoying the convo.  There is no one in their right mind (including you) that wouldn't want to be paid more money than they are presently making.  It doesn't mean that you are "chasing" it as you put it.  It just simple means that you want to be paid what you feel your services are worth.

That may be true, however for many NFL players, their career and mostly their earning capacity through employment is over at the age of 30-35.

 

There aren't too many people on this planet, regardless of whether they make $20K or $200M, that can say that.

 

The one factor that is consistent, regardless of how much the job is paying, is that ZERO people on this planet are content with getting paid less than what they feel they are worth. Granted, they may not have a choice but to accept less, but no person is generally happy with that. Standard human nature is to feel valued, and in the NFL, being valued is directly correlated with how much you are paid.

 

Exactly!  That's the point that I'm making as well.

[B-more Ravor]

I don't see an instance where we can lower Jimmys hit. Guy has been playing at a high level recently, his cap hit will likely increase once his new contract comes around.

 

I don't expect them to extend Jimmy now (I think he needs to prove he's past the most recent injury before they do so), but there's no question that they could create Cap space with a new deal.  His present Cap number is just under $7M.  On a long term deal, his 1st year Cap number would likely be in the $3-4M range, so there'd be a savings of $3-4M. 

 

Though, again, I think that's kind of a moot point since he's recovery from yet another injury.

[PurpleCity5]

I don't expect them to extend Jimmy now (I think he needs to prove he's past the most recent injury before they do so), but there's no question that they could create Cap space with a new deal.  His present Cap number is just under $7M.  On a long term deal, his 1st year Cap number would likely be in the $3-4M range, so there'd be a savings of $3-4M. 

 

Though, again, I think that's kind of a moot point since he's recovery from yet another injury.

I don't know about the numbers, what I do know is that the Jimmy we saw this year is legit, If he comes back and produces at a higher level, he'll get paid a lot. 

[B-more Ravor]

I don't know about the numbers, what I do know is that the Jimmy we saw this year is legit, If he comes back and produces at a higher level, he'll get paid a lot. 

 

No doubt about that.  It would just be nice to see him put together a full, healthy 16 games.

[PurpleCity5]

No doubt about that.  It would just be nice to see him put together a full, healthy 16 games.

That's what I really hope. Jimmy is a great player but injuries are always a concern. I have the same feelings about K.O as well. 

[Pirate88]

Osemele, if he didn't get injured last year and several games this year would be known as the best guard in the NFL right now even over teammate Yanda!! Don't get me wrong Yanda is a terrific guard and is coming off a great year and viewed as the best guard in the NFL and rightfully so!! However Osemele is the most talented and feared guard in the NFL!! Just ask Wilfork how terrorfied he is of going one on one with Osemele. The patsies had to schemes to keep Wilfork away from Osemele at so that the patsies don't see their tough guy manhandled and beaten up and hurt team confidence. Only thing keeping Osemele from his crown of best guard is losing reps to injury thus hurting his experience. He is the modern day Larry Allen. Carl Nicks was considered the most dominant guard since Larry Allen. Over 350 lbs and Nicks could actually have played RT if they needed him. He played LT at Nebraska and although weighing over 350 lbs he was more in shape than expected. As matter of fact losing him is what kept the saints from repeating. Aside from dominant blocking he brought a dominance and attitude to the saints offense that could strike terror back in tough defenses that usually intimidated offenses. Jarhi Evans is another mauling guard and at time they lost Nicks he was the best RG in the NFL. Evans was more established and experienced than Nicks as a a multi year all propro but Nicks was the OLineman that gave the saints dynamic but finesse offense a tough and dominant identity. It was actually the guard tandem of Nicks and Evans that took over the line of scrimmage in the superpowl. The saints let Nicks go and replaced him with Ben Grubbs over $2mil a year in price difference. Grubbs was a pro bowl caliber guard and they knew their key on offense was the dominant physical mauling dominance that nicks@Evans brought and combined with an elite rythym prolific offense that made them so great on offense. Losing the most dominant and feared guard on their team and all of football although Evans was their most established guard like Yanda is for the ravens. However although Grubbs is a better than average guard the saints seriously missed Nicks like the Cowboys missed their most feared OLineman Erik Williams and weren't the same team.

Pro bowl All Pro or even great OLineman consistently make their blocks and are technically very elite while very tough of course. However every now and then an OLineman comes along that does all that but takes it to a level of dominance. They strike fear in defenses that usually intimidate offenses. Osemele is that rare OLineman. He is 336 lbs, not as heavy as Nicks but Osemele has ab muscles as a 336lb lineman!! That's unheard of, he has left tackle athleticism but loves dominating in the trenches!! And he is a huge reason for ravens offensive success both throwing and running. He may not be the leader but he sets the tone for the ravens dominant OLine. All pro players that are leaders are very valuable on offense but a dominator like Osemele is very rare. BTW the OLine if everybody is playing is the best in the NFL and a reason the ravens offense was so prolific with a WR group consisting of a 35 yr old, one trick pony and undrafted WRs. The ravens aren't overpaying Ngata

Cuz they prefer keeping the best OLine in the NFL together.

[Fred Sanford]

You're right about those 90's Cowboys o-linemen.  Nate Newton, Erik Williams, Larry Allen, Mark Stepnoski and those guys were scary.  I remember the Cowboys-Steelers Super Bowl Neil O'Donnell screw up hour, they were just picking up Pit's scary linebackers, Kevin Greene and Greg Lloyd, and throwing them through the air.

 

As for Ngata, he looked rejuvenated last year.  I always wished he'd be more of an 8 sack a year guy, since when he does get sacks they look so easy, but we need to get that guy a cap saving extension and keep him around 2-4 more years.

[stopyellingatthetv]

I don't expect them to extend Jimmy now (I think he needs to prove he's past the most recent injury before they do so), but there's no question that they could create Cap space with a new deal.  His present Cap number is just under $7M.  On a long term deal, his 1st year Cap number would likely be in the $3-4M range, so there'd be a savings of $3-4M. 

 

Though, again, I think that's kind of a moot point since he's recovery from yet another injury.

I also think that they are going to wait on a deal with Jimmy. Ozzie knows that he has a high ceiling, especially with his play this year but he's GOT to stay healthy to get paid. If he can put together a full year, I think he's going to unstoppable! 

[CTFan]

I may be in the minority, but I don't think losing Ngata would be all that devastating, especially if we can get a McCourty or some other major piece. We're extremely strong on the D-line and with Williams development I don't think run defense is going to be a problem.

[FlocksGottaFeed]

Brian McFarland's radio broadcast gives me alittle optimism about possibly working out a contract with Ngata. It seems there are still moves that Oz can make and with alittle luck - Ngata will stay. Interesting -

 

http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2015/03/02/brian-mcfarland-on-the-ravens-salary-cap-situation-and-haloti-ngata/

 

It's been a sports boardcaster frenzy today. I've noticed that sports insiders haven't mentioned Ngata in last few days when referencing team and players moves recently. Maybe they know more than we've heard about.

 

I'm thinking that he'll be extended (i.e. Suggs) with guarantee money and bonuses.

 

Keeping hope alive.