New Deal for Ngata Coming?

[rmcjacket23]

I'd be in the minority,but I'd gamble team dollars on McPhee right now,knowing that we have Williams too then to overpay Ngata.Not saying that either one of them can be him,but mark my words;Ngatas' play will level after this season.He is not hungry for 16 games a year.Mainly just playoff and Steeler games.

1. We aren't likely to overpay Ngata.

2. Ngata and Williams don't play the same position as each other or as McPhee

3. Its not about paying McPhee $8-10M this season alone... its about paying him $8-10M for four or five seasons, which the Ravens can't afford.

 

He gone.

[Ravenslifer]

I'd be in the minority,but I'd gamble team dollars on McPhee right now,knowing that we have Williams too then to overpay Ngata.Not saying that either one of them can be him,but mark my words;Ngatas' play will level after this season.He is not hungry for 16 games a year.Mainly just playoff and Steeler games.

 

The problem is McPhee has started just 6 games in 4 years, all in 2012.  He's NOT a starting player on this roster, and probably never would be.  We can't afford to pay a guy a top contract when he's just a rotational player for us.  Particularly when he's had 2 great seasons sandwiched in between 2 poor ones.  It's basically Paul Kruger all over again.

[GrimCoconut]

The problem is McPhee has started just 6 games in 4 years, all in 2012. He's NOT a starting player on this roster, and probably never would be. We can't afford to pay a guy a top contract when he's just a rotational player for us. Particularly when he's had 2 great seasons sandwiched in between 2 poor ones. It's basically Paul Kruger all over again.

Yeah but he was a DE that year, and switched to OLB pass rusher, where he was very effective.

[ellicottraven]

If Julius Thomas hits FA, he's as good as gone from Denver.

 

If that happens, there's essentially nothing stopping Daniels from going to Denver.

Interesting thought. We'll find out in due course I suppose.

[BmoreBird22]

Apparently Jason LaCanfora thinks Ngata has played his last game as a Raven

[FlocksGottaFeed]

Apparently Jason LaCanfora thinks Ngata has played his last game as a Raven

Not so fast. Read this article. I see Ngata taking the Ray Lewis and Sizzle road. Pay as you go. It's not a new concept.

 

Under Restructuring reference:

http://mmqb.si.com/2015/02/25/nfl-salary-cap-myth-los-angeles-stadium/

 

I'd also add that this was most likely considered during the initial contract signing. Ngata stays.

[The Raven]

Apparently Jason LaCanfora thinks Ngata has played his last game as a Raven

 

He said he would not be surprised if Ngata had played his last game as a Raven, not that he thinks that. Slight difference lol

[BmoreBird22]

He said he would not be surprised if Ngata had played his last game as a Raven, not that he thinks that. Slight difference lol

Slight difference, but it seems he's fairly pessimistic over the whole situation. He said unless something drastically changes, a contract extension appears less and less likely

[Tank 92]

Not so fast. Read this article. I see Ngata taking the Ray Lewis and Sizzle road. Pay as you go. It's not a new concept.

 

Under Restructuring reference:

http://mmqb.si.com/2015/02/25/nfl-salary-cap-myth-los-angeles-stadium/

 

I'd also add that this was most likely considered during the initial contract signing. Ngata stays.

 

 

The Larry Fitz deal is a perfect example. I agree, Haloti isn't going anywhere.

[FlocksGottaFeed]

The Larry Fitz deal is a perfect example. I agree, Haloti isn't going anywhere.

Agreed. I don't know why people keep under-estimating our FO resolve. They got this.

[BmoreBird22]

The reason to be pessimistic is the Ravens aren't going to bend over backwards for Ngata. Sure, he's been a cornerstone of the defense, but he's also had quite a few injuries and had a PED suspension. Given he seems to constantly contemplate retirement, he doesn't exactly have the leverage he's probably acting like he does have.

Can a new deal happen? Absolutely. Is it imminent? No

[gabefergy]

The reason to be pessimistic is the Ravens aren't going to bend over backwards for Ngata. Sure, he's been a cornerstone of the defense, but he's also had quite a few injuries and had a PED suspension. Given he seems to constantly contemplate retirement, he doesn't exactly have the leverage he's probably acting like he does have.

Can a new deal happen? Absolutely. Is it imminent? No

Honestly we don't know how close or how far apart the two sides are, so you saying no deal is imminent carries just as much weight as me saying they are about to get a deal done. We do know there is a ticking clock here, so something will have to happen. The Ravens can't afford to go into FA with his cap hit.

[Tank 92]

It actuality the timing of getting this done means little or nothing, until March 10th. 

[gabefergy]

It actuality the timing of getting this done means little or nothing, until March 10th.

That date is rapidly approaching.

[rmcjacket23]

Not so fast. Read this article. I see Ngata taking the Ray Lewis and Sizzle road. Pay as you go. It's not a new concept.

 

Under Restructuring reference:

http://mmqb.si.com/2015/02/25/nfl-salary-cap-myth-los-angeles-stadium/

 

I'd also add that this was most likely considered during the initial contract signing. Ngata stays.

Suggs deal isn't really a "pay as you go" deal, considering that he has significant guaranteed money on his deal, and he's basically locked onto the team for the first three years of that deal.

 

A "pay as you go" deal is a mostly non-guaranteed type deal that allows a team to cut that player at basically anytime of the deal. The Kaepernick and Dalton deals are closer to "pay as you go" deals, because there's very little dead money if they cut those players early in the deal.

 

Suggs' deal, while it mostly allocates the cap hits evenly, isn't really a "pay as you go" deal, because the Ravens basically can't cut him for three seasons, regardless of production.

[GrimCoconut]

If I have a choice between keeping Ngata and letting him go, I'd want to keep him. With that said, I hope we don't pay him for what he's done. I'm not sure how long he can keep playing at this level. I don't think he's worth 5-7 million average. I also don't like the idea of giving him a lot of guaranteed. If I'm Ngata, I probably wouldn' extend my deal if it meant less than an average of 5 million.

There's been a lot of things throw around in this thread but I think Ngata could command an annual salary of 6 million at the very least on the open market. I don't want us to give him more than an annual average of 4 million. If we can't work out a good deal then I'd trade him. I think he has value and I think it'll be more than a sixth round pick.

[BmoreBird22]

Honestly we don't know how close or how far apart the two sides are, so you saying no deal is imminent carries just as much weight as me saying they are about to get a deal done. We do know there is a ticking clock here, so something will have to happen. The Ravens can't afford to go into FA with his cap hit.

I'm going off reports that Jason LaCanfora made which said the sides are very far apart and it would take a large amount of work to get a deal done. So, no, me saying a deal isn't imminent carries no weight, but LaCanfora saying it should

[gabefergy]

I'm going off reports that Jason LaCanfora made which said the sides are very far apart and it would take a large amount of work to get a deal done. So, no, me saying a deal isn't imminent carries no weight, but LaCanfora saying it should

Well he's been wrong before. Other reports have said things are closer including Harbs saying it will get done.

[BmoreBird22]

Well he's been wrong before. Other reports have said things are closer including Harbs saying it will get done.

Not saying he couldn't be wrong and that things couldn't get done, just like how it was supposed to take a miracle to re-sign Eugene Monroe, but I wouldn't turn to Harbaugh first just because he seems to know his place is in coaching, not contact negotiations

[gabefergy]

Not saying he couldn't be wrong and that things couldn't get done, just like how it was supposed to take a miracle to re-sign Eugene Monroe, but I wouldn't turn to Harbaugh first just because he seems to know his place is in coaching, not contact negotiations

Ed Werder said a strong deal is on the table. That means talks are happening at the very least.

[BmoreBird22]

Ed Werder said a strong deal is on the table. That means talks are happening at the very least.

And then today, LaCanfora said Ngata likely just doesn't see it that way. I would hate to see Ngata go, but the Ravens won't bend over backwards for him

[rmcjacket23]

And then today, LaCanfora said Ngata likely just doesn't see it that way. I would hate to see Ngata go, but the Ravens won't bend over backwards for him

I took LaCanfora's comment as basically speculation, implying that if the Ravens offer was really "that strong", than Ngata would have agreed to it already.

 

Basically the same can be said for any contract negotiations this time of year for any player...

[BmoreBird22]

I took LaCanfora's comment as basically speculation, implying that if the Ravens offer was really "that strong", than Ngata would have agreed to it already.

 

Basically the same can be said for any contract negotiations this time of year for any player...

Yeah, LaCanfora basically said that it appears the Ravens and Ngata aren't seeing eye to eye on his value. Again, I don't see the Ravens bending over backwards for him.

[PurpleCity5]

Love Ngata but I have a bad feeling right now. 

 

If he leaves I think a team like Detroit would pay good money. 

[GrimCoconut]

Love Ngata but I have a bad feeling right now.

If he leaves I think a team like Detroit would pay good money.

Excellent connection in Detroit with Austin. Very possible scenario, but I think they'll find a way to retain Suh.

[Bltravens]

I read today that the Ravens were going to offer a number that was basically in line with what he's scheduled to make this year, just extending the length of his deal.  Not forcing a pay cut on him.  Believe that number is 8.5? Love the guy but if he thinks he's worth more at 31 and openly opining about retirement he's pretty out of touch.

[PurpleCity5]

Excellent connection in Detroit with Austin. Very possible scenario, but I think they'll find a way to retain Suh.

Yeah but Ngata could be the cheaper option. Suh will be very expensive and some teams will bid high. 

[Pirate88]

From what I hear they are moving on from N'gata unless he has a change of plans in how much $$ he should get and take a slight hometown discount. N'gata himself probably would really consider it and help win another trophy with baltimore but his agent has advised otherwise. He is sure some team will overpay Ngata for what he did in his prime.I would like to see them shop N'gata but after a so called low ball offer it hurt his trade value unless more than one team is willing to overpay him. Then one of the teams could trade for him to keep from getting in a bidding war so that they have some leverage once acquiring him.Although its unlikely and it would be a later round pick anyways. Once they have him he could play this year for $8mil and risk getting injured and not getting paid much next yr on the open market. Or he could sign a new contract with some guaranteed $$ over next several yrs while he is coming off a very good performance year. So they would then have some leverage compared to bidding against other teams while he is a free agent. But from what I can tell the ravens are going to cut him and make him a free agent.

[outkast1]

You could easily get a 3rd round pick for Ngata and the Ravens won't skip a beat.

[BSHU_Miami]

You could easily get a 3rd round pick for Ngata and the Ravens won't skip a beat.

I like that idea, If we end up getting a 3rd round Comp pick. We can use the traded pick and our own to move up in the first round if we need to.