New Deal for Ngata Coming?

[Sami84]

I might ask Big Ben how much explosion Upshaw has.....

 

Oh when there is a clear lane and he can hit..yes upshaw can hit

 

but McPhee could Knife through the middle 

 

Upshaw can hit when he gets there..sadly he doesn't get there a lot

[FlocksGottaFeed]

Can we take a $14MIL cap hit from Ngata? What is the cut-off point and a reasonable reduction from his current cap hit?

[trevorsteadman]

Oh when there is a clear lane and he can hit..yes upshaw can hit

 

but McPhee could Knife through the middle 

 

Upshaw can hit when he gets there..sadly he doesn't get there a lot

Upshaw isn't asked to blitz often that is why. He does what Jarrett Johnson did for the Ravens for so many years. He sets the edge and he is one of the best run defenders in the NFL. There is a reason he was the one calling the plays in the Super Bowl. He is a very talented and great player. They didn't blitz with him because they had McPhee, Suggs, and Dumervil. Just because he hasn't been used that way yet doesn't mean he isn't good. 

[trevorsteadman]

whoa

 

Just for the record Kruger had 11 sacks last year and 4 forced fumbles....not to mention 50 odd tackles as a Pass Rush Specialist........oh and 4 or 5 passes defended.........that's many more than a couple of our safeties.  additionally he has played in 32 of 32 games for the Browns.

 

 

As Ray Lewis said.........."lets let our deciding guys decide.........and our fans be fanatics"

Linebackers tackle more than safeties... The less tackles safeties have it is generally a good indication that there aren't many big plays going there way.

[Guest]

Linebackers tackle more than safeties... The less tackles safeties have it is generally a good indication that there aren't many big plays going there way.

That's a fine observation in regard to tackles......but within the context the point was in regard to  passes defended.

 

I still think the Front Office will be forced into cutting Ngata, but it will be a mistake.  His cost certainly does not exceed his value in this market.  Jerrigan and Williams are fine up and coming players, but if the Front Office thinks they can fill the bill that's a call they certainly have to fear making prematurely.   

[The Mom Gene]

Upshaw isn't asked to blitz often that is why. He does what Jarrett Johnson did for the Ravens for so many years. He sets the edge and he is one of the best run defenders in the NFL. There is a reason he was the one calling the plays in the Super Bowl. He is a very talented and great player. They didn't blitz with him because they had McPhee, Suggs, and Dumervil. Just because he hasn't been used that way yet doesn't mean he isn't good. 

Yup, When he lined up out there last year he showed some explosion...  but now he'll have his chance at more playing time and get a chance to prove all the nay-sayers what he's got...  . 

[Hey Diddle]

I like the idea of keeping Ngata on his current deal, this way he will play really hard this season to get a big payday from another team next off season (when we need the cap space, for Jimmy, Yanda, KO, Upshaw).  I think if we were to resign him to a big deal, he wouldn't pay as hard.

 

 This coming season will be his last with the ravens.  I see him having a huge year with a huge payday around the bend.

 

This way we can add a new monster d-line in the 2016 draft, and also see how our younger guys do this year.

[trevorsteadman]

That's a fine observation in regard to tackles......but within the context the point was in regard to  passes defended.

 

I still think the Front Office will be forced into cutting Ngata, but it will be a mistake.  His cost certainly does not exceed his value in this market.  Jerrigan and Williams are fine up and coming players, but if the Front Office thinks they can fill the bill that's a call they certainly have to fear making prematurely.   

I think Jernigan and Williams are solid players but outside of them what other defensive lineman on our roster has shown anything? Pretty much 0 as the rest of them pretty much started the season on IR... Ngata's value in the Ravens defense is way overlooked. Kruger was solid last season but the season before he was pretty bad and with the number of snaps he had he didn't do too great this season. He had good numbers but PFF rated him not that high. Plus we will swallow half of that 16 million in dead money which means if he is cut we will lose both a pro bowler and 8 million in cap. 

[jazz1988]

I like the idea of keeping Ngata on his current deal, this way he will play really hard this season to get a big payday from another team next off season (when we need the cap space, for Jimmy, Yanda, KO, Upshaw).  I think if we were to resign him to a big deal, he wouldn't pay as hard.

 

 This coming season will be his last with the ravens.  I see him having a huge year with a huge payday around the bend.

 

This way we can add a new monster d-line in the 2016 draft, and also see how our younger guys do this year.

 

Ngata is 31 one years old . His big pay dreams are probably over. It's skeptical to believe a  team will be willing to give him a huge amount of money with his age.

[Hey Diddle]

Ngata is 31 one years old . His big pay dreams are probably over. It's skeptical to believe a  team will be willing to give him a huge amount of money with his age.

By big pay day, I mean more then we will be able to pay.  

 

There is also the possiblity his numbers this year were inflated due to his use of adderall.  Ngata might know this and realizing his plan to get cut, take our 8.5 mil, get an new deal this year from another team, and relax and stop playing hard is not going to work.

 

Knowing this now he might be more willing to sign an extension with us sometime before season. 

 

I wouldn"t sign him to extension though, I would keep him here for this season then let him test the market, we are going to need every penny next off-season. 

[GrimCoconut]

I think Ngata could be a trade candidate if the Lions lose Fairley and Suh. Austin and Caldwell both know Ngata from his time here and would be very likely to trade for him in that event. I'm not sure we'd put Ngata on the block but that's certainly something to watch.

[Guest I-70WestRaven]

I love the man, but if won't help the team (money) and if Suh does go South Beach, bye! In Ozzie we trust and with Eric we will still be. Bro, you ain't Ray and damn  Sizzle just stepped up? What the.....

[JO_75]

Thanks Sizzle! I would rather keep Ngata at his current contract and get a 3rd round comp pick in 2017 than lose him for nothing.

[GrimCoconut]

Thanks Sizzle! I would rather keep Ngata at his current contract and get a 3rd round comp pick in 2017 than lose him for nothing.

Ngata won't get us that high of a pick even if he goes for 100M. He'll be a ten year veteran next year and that equals a fifth round compensatory pick max.

[PurpleCity5]

I think Ngata could be a trade candidate if the Lions lose Fairley and Suh. Austin and Caldwell both know Ngata from his time here and would be very likely to trade for him in that event. I'm not sure we'd put Ngata on the block but that's certainly something to watch.

That's what I thought. That DL would take a huge downgrade losing both Fairley and Suh, they could be interested in Ngata. 

[FlocksGottaFeed]

Man how time flys when you love your team. 2 hours and counting. This is intense.

[Guest]

Ngata is 31 one years old . His big pay dreams are probably over. It's skeptical to believe a  team will be willing to give him a huge amount of money with his age.

 

Other than the market is strong for DT's

 

His Cap Hit is large, but how much do you free up?  You really gonna cover all the holes at WR, Secondary and Running Back with it? And at what expense to the Defensive line?

I love the man, but if won't help the team (money) and if Suh does go South Beach, bye! In Ozzie we trust and with Eric we will still be. Bro, you ain't Ray and damn  Sizzle just stepped up? What the.....

 

Suh is a done deal and the fact is Ngata is likely worth as much or more than Big Ray at this juncture. You know as Andre Johnson said, why is it always, "Play your contract out, don't ask for more money" or "You've declined take a pay cut or we'll cut you".  It's not Ngatas fault the Ravens find themselves in a tight spot.  It could get a heckuva lot tighter with the wrong move though.

Thanks Sizzle! I would rather keep Ngata at his current contract and get a 3rd round comp pick in 2017 than lose him for nothing.

 

That's the bottom line.  He's worth his salary, its not his fault how the contract was loaded.

[GrimCoconut]

That's what I thought. That DL would take a huge downgrade losing both Fairley and Suh, they could be interested in Ngata.

Yep and there's a connection between Ngata and them. They also will be willing to take his cap hit and probably extend him as well. I definitely think it was the right thing to do to restructure Suggs. We don't look desperate to trade Ngata and it gives us the power in trade talks.

[Edgar]

Ngata has had two off seasons now to consider a restructured deal and has in each case decided not to(to this point at least).

I find it hard o believe that they will swallow him on the team at 16 mil.

The longer he is off the FA market, the less money he will be offered by another team if released and I would have to guess that might be what the FO is thinking.

Even with having 8.5 in dead space, which is in itself unfortunate, we are essentially talking about signing probably two players in trade for keeping one ( Ngata).

I am of the mind that he is gone and probably needs to be.

[PurpleCity5]

Yep and there's a connection between Ngata and them. They also will be willing to take his cap hit and probably extend him as well. I definitely think it was the right thing to do to restructure Suggs. We don't look desperate to trade Ngata and it gives us the power in trade talks.

Ah, yes, this is what I'm feeling as well. Just does not seem likely we go into this season with a 16M cap hit, it's just not healthy. 

[52520Andrew]

At this point I could very easily see us trade Ngata to a team that has an extension worked out. Should be very interesting to see what we end up doing at this point

[PurpleSnowman]

Ngata will probably play out his contract if we can't agree too an extension soon. I don't think Ozzie thinks that he can get a better player than Ngata for the $8.5 million in cap space that we will be saving if we cut him. Plus if he leaves the team next year through FA, rather than cutting him this year, we are guaranteed a high comp pick barring an injury or something like that.   

[Sunday QB]

I was really hoping Nata would help out the Team like Suggs did. I do not think he is worth $16 million let alone $8.5. Cut him and sign Wilfork for vet minimum!

[Cillmatic]

Time to cut him

[GrimCoconut]

Ngata will probably play out his contract if we can't agree too an extension soon. I don't think Ozzie thinks that he can get a better player than Ngata for the $8.5 million in cap space that we will be saving if we cut him. Plus if he leaves the team next year through FA, rather than cutting him this year, we are guaranteed a high comp pick barring an injury or something like that.

I'm nearly 100% certain the highest compensatory pick we'll get for Ngata if he plays out his contract will be a fifth round compensatory pick. I recall that once you've been in the league for ten years, the highest compensatory pick you'll get is a fifth. Ngata was drafted 2006, which makes his 2015 season his tenth. That would mean that even if he signed a JJ Watt deal, played every game, went to the Pro Bowl, got DPOY and won the Super Bowl that the highest our compensation would be is a fifth round compensatory pick.

[Cillmatic]

Bad move not cutting him. We couldve re-signed Forsett or offered someone like Crabtree a deal.

[RavensFanMania]

I was really hoping Nata would help out the Team like Suggs did. I do not think he is worth $16 million let alone $8.5. Cut him and sign Wilfork for vet minimum!

I completely agree with this move, but doubt Wilfork would be for minimum. 

 

We are the Ravens everyone, no reason to panic, Ozzie and DeCosta are in the house!

[HomeoftheBRAVENS]

I hope the nostalgia of seeing Haloti in purple and black and wanting to see him retire a raven doesn't come back and bite our front office in the butt.

[PurpleSnowman]

I'm nearly 100% certain the highest compensatory pick we'll get for Ngata if he plays out his contract will be a fifth round compensatory pick. I recall that once you've been in the league for ten years, the highest compensatory pick you'll get is a fifth. Ngata was drafted 2006, which makes his 2015 season his tenth. That would mean that even if he signed a JJ Watt deal, played every game, went to the Pro Bowl, got DPOY and won the Super Bowl that the highest our compensation would be is a fifth round compensatory pick.

 

Didn't know that that was a thing. Still, a fifth would be better than nothing. 

[rafahash]

Just cut him already