New Deal for Ngata Coming?

[GrimCoconut]

I don't want to get into a debate about compensation but NFL players have other problems outside of straight money. You have to consider their profession and how much health and life insurance costs them due to their profession and how much these products will cost them in retirement, let alone the money they will inevitably shell out due to these inevitable health problems they'll face.

[trevorsteadman]

If you can't tell the difference between taking a pay-cut from 50k to 25k a year, and 16m to say 8m a year then you need your head examining.

I do know the difference. You're arguing about the wrong thing. He has earned that type of cash. You can live on a couple million for your life. You can only live a year or two on 50K. He put that much more effort than the average person to play in the NFL. You are asking someone to give up half their pay that they earned. It is the same concept. Yes it is more money but they still earned it nevertheless. 

 

You can't speak real English so I guess you need your head examined too? 

[ravensdan]

And apparently Suggs didn't want him going anywhere... but it's pretty bad when Suggs will take the hit and restructure... and the man that needs to won't.

suggs did not take a hit.its not the same situation at all. Also could do was take an advance from the same money in his contract and is make no mistake being asked to take less

[trevorsteadman]

Okay first off, you can live a pretty good lifestyle just off the interest on about $3M , if that much. So yes, they are wayyyyyyyyyy overpaid.

Also, it is NOT a paycut . I don't know why everyone keeps on trying to make this claim to defend Ngata. He will get his guaranteed money no matter what, it just spreads it around for a more friendly cap situation on the books.

It is a pay cut. Suggs was not a pay cut, Ngata is in the last season of his contract he can not spread money around like Suggs did with his bonus. Ngata was a pay cut. Suggs wasn't. People don't understand that. 

[Edgar]

Ian rappaport reporting Ngata back at current salary

[Sami84]

Ian rappaport reporting Ngata back at current salary

 

Big whiny baby

[Sami84]

We need to cut ngata and move on. We have areas to address and we need that extra 8 million in cap space

[Guest]

Ian rappaport reporting Ngata back at current salary

That's a very pleasant surprise. Hopefully its accurate.

[MrDelDante]

I do know the difference. You're arguing about the wrong thing. He has earned that type of cash. You can live on a couple million for your life. You can only live a year or two on 50K. He put that much more effort than the average person to play in the NFL. You are asking someone to give up half their pay that they earned. It is the same concept. Yes it is more money but they still earned it nevertheless. 

 

You can't speak real English so I guess you need your head examined too? 

 

 

I was arguing the point YOU made.

 

 

So if you made let's say 50,000 dollars a year, and your company came up and told you "hey, we need you to take a 25,000 dollar pay cut from your salary or we are going to fire you" you would be fine with that?

 

The difference between the 2 salaries is so large that you can't compare them. I work hard for my salary, and I have a decent living. I have a little bit of savings, a mortgage, a car and the bills always get paid. If I was to have to cut my salary in half then I'd lose my house because I couldn't pay my mortgage, I wouldn't be able to pay my bills so I'd likely be blacklisted for credit, and no doubt my family would suffer as it would be hard to get by.

 

I'm not saying that halving your salary from 16m to 8m isn't a big deal, but it's a lot more manageable and wouldn't affect you as much as the 'everyday' wage.

[Sami84]

That's a very pleasant surprise. Hopefully its accurate.

 

urrrrr

 

so we retain a declining DT and free up no cap room whatsoever and have a tonne of holes to fill and have already lost torrey and Mcphee and likely will hill as someone will def make an offer out of our range esp as we have no cap.

 

you guys are nuts

[The Mom Gene]

suggs did not take a hit.its not the same situation at all. Also could do was take an advance from the same money in his contract and is make no mistake being asked to take less

By restructuring...  maybe he didn't take a $$ hit but he did free up space in order that we could keep players or sign others...  Why is this so hard for people to understand....  I'm sorry, but who else restructured for the good of the team?

[Edgar]

Big whiny baby

We'll wait to see what develops but it does at first blush suggest a careless attitude.

[Sami84]

if nothing..this situation with ngata webb rice pitta etc will teach the FO something about being over generous to certain players..frankly the only guy worth every penny and some of his contract is Yanda..the rest are meh

[B-more Ravor]

By restructuring...  maybe he didn't take a $$ hit but he did free up space in order that we could keep players or sign others...  Why is this so hard for people to understand....  I'm sorry, but who else restructured for the good of the team?

 

Every player ever asked to do what Suggs was asked to do! 

[Guest]

if nothing..this situation with ngata webb rice pitta etc will teach the FO something about being over generous to certain players..frankly the only guy worth every penny and some of his contract is Yanda..the rest are meh

 

Ngata had a good year.  We did go 3-1 without him, but we struggled with the Jags, lost to the lowly Texans. Dolphins were in a spiral when we got to them and so were the Browns.

 

When he was present we played well, but for the Steelers game where Antonio Brown embarrassed us. (Think he sacked HasBen in that game though.)  He led the team in Interceptions and defended more passes than some of our secondary.  We lost good players in Smith and McPhee, it wasn't the time to roll more dice. 

 

Barring injury (and he's been remarkably sound) he'll have a great year.

[Edgar]

At least(if nothing changes), The front office will be free to let him walk next year, instead of being forced to watch a player of diminishing skills continue to trudge along while they pay for it.

Realistically, what sort of return might we expect for a $16 million investment?

[FlocksGottaFeed]

Are there any more Ravens that can do this to free-up more cap? If so, why hasn't been asked?

[Sami84]

At least(if nothing changes), The front office will be free to let him walk next year, instead of being forced to watch a player of diminishing skills continue to trudge along while they pay for it.

Realistically, what sort of return might we expect for a $16 million investment?

 

2.5-3 sacks 1 fumble and 1 fumble recovery and some good run stuffing. (thats worth 4-5 million) Those interceptions last year were just a pleasant surprise.its not his job.

[trevorsteadman]

I was arguing the point YOU made.

 

 

The difference between the 2 salaries is so large that you can't compare them. I work hard for my salary, and I have a decent living. I have a little bit of savings, a mortgage, a car and the bills always get paid. If I was to have to cut my salary in half then I'd lose my house because I couldn't pay my mortgage, I wouldn't be able to pay my bills so I'd likely be blacklisted for credit, and no doubt my family would suffer as it would be hard to get by.

 

I'm not saying that halving your salary from 16m to 8m isn't a big deal, but it's a lot more manageable and wouldn't affect you as much as the 'everyday' wage.

Maybe Haloti couldn't afford the things he has bought? He has chosen the lifestyle he wants. He knows he can get paid more from a different team. Cutting half his salary hurts him. Yes it is more money but he has bills and things to pay for as well. He has worked hard as well. People need to respect his decision and if he is cut or stays in Baltimore move on. 

[JoeyFlex5]

The problem is, even if we cut Ngata, I don't suspect we will be playing in the high-end secondary market in FA.

16million in cap space is nothing to sneeze at, and then when you consider the future cap space next year when ray rice's cap hit is gone along with the possibility of webbs, it could allow us to make a play in free agency. 

 

however im seeing reports that ngata may play under his current deal this year, i dont think its worth it personally, if he doesnt take an extension i believe he should be shown the door, there is no amount of production he is capable of that could justify 16million when there are such glaring holes on the team. 

 

forgive me if cutting him doesnt save us 16million if there is any dead money tied up, i havent looked into that i just know what his current cap hit is.

[Sami84]

Maybe Haloti couldn't afford the things he has bought? He has chosen the lifestyle he wants. He knows he can get paid more from a different team. Cutting half his salary hurts him. Yes it is more money but he has bills and things to pay for as well. He has worked hard as well. People need to respect his decision and if he is cut or stays in Baltimore move on. 

 

I just find it amusing that some people are here are actually happy that he's back ..i'm not..it means this is the team we have going into next year with the draft and a few scrubs. So without question we have taken a massive step back this year. We are not a playoff team and WONT be until we have more cap room and develop true talent..not marlon brows or kamar aikins who are complimentary players. The only part about this team i am happy about is The O-line

 

everything else is..well..Suggs and doom..where are their replacements? Our WR core is the worst in the league as of today

[ravensdan]

Are there any more Ravens that can do this to free-up more cap? If so, why hasn't been asked?

it's bad business because they're not bring up any more money yes it helps this year but then that just adds on to the cap space for next year and the next year you want to keep these to a very limited amount and then if you cut a guy like rice well then all that comes due

[trevorsteadman]

I just find it amusing that some people are here are actually happy that he's back ..i'm not..it means this is the team we have going into next year with the draft and a few scrubs. So without question we have taken a massive step back this year. We are not a playoff team and WONT be until we have more cap room and develop true talent..not marlon brows or kamar aikins who are complimentary players. The only part about this team i am happy about is The O-line

 

everything else is..well..Suggs and doom..where are their replacements? Our WR core is the worst in the league as of today

I never said he wasn't going to get cut but people are throwing him out the door and not understanding what he brings to the team. Teams run away from him. He is one of the best run stuffers in the league. Also Courtney Upshaw is a great replacement for either Suggs or Dumervil I think he deserves more play time. The Ravens have never had an issue with linebackers when it comes to replacements everyone thrown in there has done a pretty great job. Even Paul Kruger looked great and now look at him in Cleveland. It may be best to part ways with this guy but before you do you have to remember we are already half way of his salary in dead money if we let him go and he has played at a high level his entire career. It may be best to let him go and sign people but he is one of those defensive lineman that get double teamed and respected by other teams because they know what he can do. Relying on young talent on the defensive line is almost the exact same situation with our wide receiver core. How much can you trust young guys and are you going to cut Haloti to make room to fix a problem that in turn creates another problem? Canty is already out the door... You have to weigh out all the benefits and outcomes of everything. Not too many good wide receivers still on the FA and same thing with the cornerback position. 

[FlocksGottaFeed]

it's bad business because they're not bring up any more money yes it helps this year but then that just adds on to the cap space for next year and the next year you want to keep these to a very limited amount and then if you cut a guy like rice well then all that comes due

Thanks. I just was really curious about why now and to do what? Our FO is truly elite and can be very unpredictable. Are they trying to retain Ngata, targeting a FA or banking it for next year?

[Sami84]

I never said he wasn't going to get cut but people are throwing him out the door and not understanding what he brings to the team. Teams run away from him. He is one of the best run stuffers in the league. Also Courtney Upshaw is a great replacement for either Suggs or Dumervil I think he deserves more play time. The Ravens have never had an issue with linebackers when it comes to replacements everyone thrown in there has done a pretty great job. Even Paul Kruger looked great and now look at him in Cleveland. It may be best to part ways with this guy but before you do you have to remember we are already half way of his salary in dead money if we let him go and he has played at a high level his entire career. It may be best to let him go and sign people but he is one of those defensive lineman that get double teamed and respected by other teams because they know what he can do. Relying on young talent on the defensive line is almost the exact same situation with our wide receiver core. How much can you trust young guys and are you going to cut Haloti to make room to fix a problem that in turn creates another problem? Canty is already out the door... You have to weigh out all the benefits and outcomes of everything. Not too many good wide receivers still on the FA and same thing with the cornerback position. 

 

Upshaw has no explosion and was and never will be a pass rusher..

 

my point is this. How is this team going to be better then last years team? If Will Hill isn't retained you might as well camp out the season because he is the best player in the secondary. Jimmy is v good but with that injury who knows..

 

i just don't see it..

[EnVy_CaLiBeR]

I really hope a deal gets done because I'd hate to lose Ngata but he's simply not worth that kind of cap hit with the holes that we have on our team. 

[The Mom Gene]

16million in cap space is nothing to sneeze at, and then when you consider the future cap space next year when ray rice's cap hit is gone along with the possibility of webbs, it could allow us to make a play in free agency. 

 

however im seeing reports that ngata may play under his current deal this year, i dont think its worth it personally, if he doesnt take an extension i believe he should be shown the door, there is no amount of production he is capable of that could justify 16million when there are such glaring holes on the team. 

 

forgive me if cutting him doesnt save us 16million if there is any dead money tied up, i havent looked into that i just know what his current cap hit is.

 

it's bad business because they're not bring up any more money yes it helps this year but then that just adds on to the cap space for next year and the next year you want to keep these to a very limited amount and then if you cut a guy like rice well then all that comes due

There may be some money that will carry over to next year, I agree, but not enough to deem the end of the world as some are stating...  And yes...  the Ray Rice scenario does relieve itself next year. 

 

It's my understanding that they are currently continuing to work on Ngata's deal. It's my belief that Ngata's hit is about $8.5M this year.  It's big... and because we have Jernigan it seems far more plausible to some to just let him go.  The problem is that we have to ask...  is he worth it?  "why won't Ngata restructure and extend"?   But it's not like we get $16M if we cut Ngata.   By restructuring and freeing up space, it does give the FO more time, which is what Suggs did.  Cutting Ngata wouldn't free up his entire hit.  So trying to keep him and working on a deal isn't all bad.

 

What the media states, and what actually happens are two very different things. 

[The Mom Gene]

Upshaw has no explosion and was and never will be a pass rusher..

 

my point is this. How is this team going to be better then last years team? If Will Hill isn't retained you might as well camp out the season because he is the best player in the secondary. Jimmy is v good but with that injury who knows..

 

i just don't see it..

I might ask Big Ben how much explosion Upshaw has.....

[The Mom Gene]

I really hope a deal gets done because I'd hate to lose Ngata but he's simply not worth that kind of cap hit with the holes that we have on our team. 

Yup...  THAT!

[Guest]

. Even Paul Kruger looked great and now look at him in Cleveland. It may be best to part ways with this guy but before you do you have to remember we are already half way of his salary in dead money if we let him go and he has played at a high level his entire career.

 

whoa

 

Just for the record Kruger had 11 sacks last year and 4 forced fumbles....not to mention 50 odd tackles as a Pass Rush Specialist........oh and 4 or 5 passes defended.........that's many more than a couple of our safeties.  additionally he has played in 32 of 32 games for the Browns.

 

 

As Ray Lewis said.........."lets let our deciding guys decide.........and our fans be fanatics"