Marlon Brown

[gabefergy]

Compared to what? There are only 2 seasons to evaluated him and he did even better when used more during his rookie year. I'm just saying there is little on-the-field evidence to support holding him back. He's not the outside speedster to stretch the field but there is an effective place for him. He's a good blocker and belongs on the field.

Campanaro is another who appear to have a lot of upside but been judged by some based on just one season. Steelers Antonio Brown played in 9 games as a rookie and had just 167 yards receiving. Lets give these guys time to develop and blossom into good NFL players.

I've already posted this, but the metrics don't treat Marlon very well and neither does the film. He isn't very productive when he is on the field.

[stopyellingatthetv]

I don't think we should say Camp is just a role player. Maybe that's what he was in 2014, but I want to see him as the full time slot receiver in 2015, barring any crazy signing, great draft pick, or freak development from Kamar or Marlon. He showed me enough  that I want him on the field way more. He can be a big contributor.

I'm pretty sure that is what they had in mind for him when he was drafted. He got comparisons to Welker. I hope that he has more of a role in 2015 and he is used more. He has good hands and he is aggressive and goes after the ball. The play that stands out is his touchdown catch when he climbed the ladder against Johnson, it didn't seem like he had a chance for it but came down with it. 

[HoldingCall]

gabefergy, on 21 Feb 2015 - 3:15 PM, said:

I've already posted this, but the metrics don't treat Marlon very well and neither does the film. He isn't very productive when he is on the field.

What metrics and what film? His production appears in line with the routes he was assigned and number of targets. Also, many discount his increase on-field presence toward the latter part of the season as just scheme. Time should tell me more as he matures but I believe it's premature to judge his ceiling and value in year two of part time use. He's a good blocker for the Ravens team that runs a lot. Of course this is all my opinion, and yours.

[Ravenslifer]

I've already posted this, but the metrics don't treat Marlon very well and neither does the film. He isn't very productive when he is on the field.

 

Could you direct me to those metrics?  From what I saw he did very well.

 

              Snaps       Targets       Receptions     Snaps/Target     Reception%

SSS          822          134                79                  6.1                      59%

Torrey      788           92                  49                  8.6                     53%

Marlon     375            31                  24                 12.1                   77%

 

Yeah he averaged about 3 yards less per reception than SSS and 5 less than Torrey, but those guys are vertical receivers whereas Marlon is more of a bigger possession guy, IMO.  That fact that he caught so many of the passes thrown his way was pretty impressive to me, and he was thrown at much less than the starters, in terms of how often he was on the field.  Even last year as a starter for so many games, Marlon hauled in 59 percent of his passes, the same as SSS this year.  In terms of chemistry with Joe, I'd say he has more than Torrey.  JMO, but I thought he was very good as the number 3 guy this year.

[ravensnick]

Could you direct me to those metrics?  From what I saw he did very well.

 

              Snaps       Targets       Receptions     Snaps/Target     Reception%

SSS          822          134                79                  6.1                      59%

Torrey      788           92                  49                  8.6                     53%

Marlon     375            31                  24                 12.1                   77%

 

Yeah he averaged about 3 yards less per reception than SSS and 5 less than Torrey, but those guys are vertical receivers whereas Marlon is more of a bigger possession guy, IMO.  That fact that he caught so many of the passes thrown his way was pretty impressive to me, and he was thrown at much less than the starters, in terms of how often he was on the field.  Even last year as a starter for so many games, Marlon hauled in 59 percent of his passes, the same as SSS this year.  In terms of chemistry with Joe, I'd say he has more than Torrey.  JMO, but I thought he was very good as the number 3 guy this year.

i think that's a good way to view him. he is a move the chains on third down type, which is something we need to use him more as.  

[allblackraven]

i think that's a good way to view him. he is a move the chains on third down type, which is something we need to use him more as.  

 

I'm surprised we haven't done that more past season. For few of those catches he had to fight hard, too. And he usually won.

[Ravenslifer]

I'm surprised we haven't done that more past season. For few of those catches he had to fight hard, too. And he usually won.

 

Always wondered about this strategy, but on a play like 3rd and 2 or 3rd and 1, could you just dump it off to a guy like Marlon and have him lay out for a first down?

[RaineV1]

I'm surprised we haven't done that more past season. For few of those catches he had to fight hard, too. And he usually won.

I think the Ravens didn't do it as much last season because Aiken was also used for that. So they were basically sharing that role for the most part.

[JoeyFlex5]

I'm surprised we haven't done that more past season. For few of those catches he had to fight hard, too. And he usually won.

he made those catches WIDE open, though he did have some nice YAC's for a few key first downs late in the season, and he was so wide open because those plays were designed to get the ball to him as an unsuspected target. i wont say marlon is bad, i like him, but i honestly think his potential will be maxed out until he learns how to get separation on his own, or until he learns how to use his size to his advantage better, his ball tracking ability is terrible, and that is a key trait for a 6'5" receiver with no real burst or route running abilities, and that is the long and the short of it. his ceiling is about brian hartline level which is ok, but he is very far away from reaching that potential and he may never do that. 

[gtalk12]

he made those catches WIDE open, though he did have some nice YAC's for a few key first downs late in the season, and he was so wide open because those plays were designed to get the ball to him as an unsuspected target. i wont say marlon is bad, i like him, but i honestly think his potential will be maxed out until he learns how to get separation on his own, or until he learns how to use his size to his advantage better, his ball tracking ability is terrible, and that is a key trait for a 6'5" receiver with no real burst or route running abilities, and that is the long and the short of it. his ceiling is about brian hartline level which is ok, but he is very far away from reaching that potential and he may never do that. 

 

I really need to rewatch all the games this year and last because I feel like he went up and brought down tough catches on defenders.

 

The idea that the biggest target on the field can be considered an unsuspected target is laughable to me. Unsuspecting would be Gilmore or anyone under Camp on the depth chart.

 

Whether or not he can get seperation is something that I have to look into myself, but I saw him do things I wish Torrey would do which is go up and use your HANDS to make the catch.

[HoldingCall]

he made those catches WIDE open, though he did have some nice YAC's for a few key first downs late in the season, and he was so wide open because those plays were designed to get the ball to him as an unsuspected target. i wont say marlon is bad, i like him, but i honestly think his potential will be maxed out until he learns how to get separation on his own, or until he learns how to use his size to his advantage better, his ball tracking ability is terrible, and that is a key trait for a 6'5" receiver with no real burst or route running abilities, and that is the long and the short of it. his ceiling is about brian hartline level which is ok, but he is very far away from reaching that potential and he may never do that. 

 

Catching while wide open should not be viewed as a weakness, it's every WR's dream. Getting WR's open is every OC's pass play goal and also not a weakness. I saw no evidence that he cannot track balls but do recall his injury this season occurred while catching a jump ball across the middle and being hit. I also saw him dive for balls.

 

Successfully disguising routes, not the running of routes, is likely the bigger challenge. The success of that depends in large part on the defensive cover package or individual CB/Safety/LB skills on defense so success will vary by team.

 

Marlon filled a needed role whether it was short yardage or run blocking and saw increasing action near the end of the season which is a positive.