Dean Pees

[ravensdfan]

He didn't give up two 14 point leads. The defenders who missed multiple tackles in third down situations did. Get real. Your hatred of Pees is just so blinding you can't even look at the facts. We had the Pats on third down twice, missed tackles, and the Pats scored. Not on Pees. 

LOL

 

Then there aren't any good DCs nor any bad DCs. You don't get it both ways. You were one of the ones yelling for where is the praise for Pees anytime the defense actually managed to do something - but when it's bad it isn't his fault. Too funny really.

 

You guys are worse than any Flacco lover around. I didn't even say he was horrible. I said he was soft and that's his style, not Ravens' style. But you have to jump in to his defense.

Last year you blamed the offense - someone even in this thread - when it was pointed out time and tie and time again that TOP proves that argument FALSE. And when you give up 8 and 9 mins drives, it isn't the fault of the offense if you're tired.

This year it is injuries.

What will you hang you hat on this season?

When your team has multiple games where they force one or two punts the entire game, sorry, that isn't solid defense in any realm of football. And that happened last year so I guess it wasn't injuries.

 

The man is not a good DC like you want to make him out to be. Is he the worst option around? No, but he isn't above average either.

 

If the FO decided that mediocre is the plan defensively then stop giving the top draft picks to the defense where they're wasted on a guy with no creative game plans when things go south. Better give the offense the love cuz we're going to need that offense to win any games.

 

Just like they needed that high powered offense in NE when he was there.

[RaineV1]

Dean Pees is the Jeremy Zuttah of DCs. You could always stand an upgrade, but there's plenty of worse names out there. And as of today, an upgrade almost wouldn't be worth the hassle.

This is the way I see it too. He's above average and gives the Ravens stability in a position they haven't had much stability at. Plus, it could kinda suck to have to replace him after already having to replace a big chunk of the offensive staff. That said though, I'll agree with others. I'd love to see Monachino get a shot at being our DC.

[Inqui]

This is the way I see it too. He's above average and gives the Ravens stability in a position they haven't had much stability at. Plus, it could kinda suck to have to replace him after already having to replace a big chunk of the offensive staff. That said though, I'll agree with others. I'd love to see Monachino get a shot at being our DC.

Personally I'm on the fence about him, and I suspect many others are too. I've tried to come down on one side or another, but neither side has really compelled me that much. If we keep him, I think we can still easily win a Super Bowl (and if we don't, I can't see him being the reason. Unlike a certain OC), but if we replace him that's no skin off my nose either.

[Tru11]

he isent going anywhere.

 

his red zone defense is among the best and the ravens are also among the better units in points given up so there is not much reason to let him go.

[757RavensFan]

They would have fired Pees by now if they were going to go in a different direction.  To wait this late after all of the good coaches were snatched up would be asinine.  Honestly, there's no reason to fire Pees at this point. Most of the games lost by the defense this season was from lack of communication by the CBs and poor tackling overall. 

[3-4ravdef509]

He wasn't being serious, just snarky because he couldn't come up with reasons why our defense was just as unreliable with a lead in 2013 as in 2014 when we weren't injury depleted in 2013. They were better at holding in 2012, but still let a lot of leads get cut to dangerous levels. Once Lewis/Reed were gone, we saw what we actually get with Pees at the helm. Bend but break and then break again.

 

I don't' like the bend don't break.

 

I'm not the biggest fan of Pees either.

 

That being said...

 

2012 was another injury riddled year, we basically had no pass rush and we had an average secondary, and were without Ray for the second half of the season.

 

2013 the defense consistently got gassed waiting for the offense to do anything. Other than that they played very well, winning us a handful of our games. 

 

2014 was another very injury riddled season, in the secondary specifically. 

 

Put it simply, Pees isn't the cause of our problems.

 

On the same token, he isn't the solution to anything either. It's a decent average coordinator. We could do better, we could do worse. Until something better rolls around I guess we're stuck with him.

[PurpleCity5]

Really dont want to add fuel to the fire as I also think Pees has done well..but if we did I would love to see Monachino get the position. I really hope he does not get raided from the staff for a DC spot in the next couple of years

I'm not trying to take diggs at Pees either, but Monachino has done so well. If he got a chance at the job it would be pretty cool. 

[rafahash]

Dean Pees is the Jeremy Zuttah of DCs. You could always stand an upgrade, but there's plenty of worse names out there. And as of today, an upgrade almost wouldn't be worth the hassle.

And besides, as much as everyone's been complaining about losing Kubiak I thought people would be a bit more appreciative of a guy who's good enough to at least not be a total liability but not likely to move under his own steam any time soon.

 

This is the best Pees' definiton I've ever seen.

[Tank 92]

Say what you want, but if we didn't have extraordinary bad fortune with our secondary. Dean Pees would have been the DC of the SB 49 Champions.

[52N19]

i agree with the national pundits on Pees. Pees did a great job scheming for a secondary that was ravaged by injuries. the only problem was they couldn't hide rasheen Melivin from Brady.

[Militant X 1]

so all the negative talk about our DC hasn't been that loud lately that i could notice.  are we keeping him?  are we happy with him?  i know during the season a lot of people were vocal about wanting a change but i don't hear that much anymore and i havent' read anything about a coaching change.

 

Why bring it up then?  Shhhhhh!  Lol!

[K-Dog]

Say what you want, but if we didn't have extraordinary bad fortune with our secondary. Dean Pees would have been the DC of the SB 49 Champions.

Quoted for truth.

[kassaiscool]

One of the main ways I determine how good a Defensive coordinator is if teams come knocking on the door to interview them for HC postions. Just like Cam Cameron Pees is a coordinator for life, because no other team wants them running the show. Might sound harsh but that's the reality of it.  I would much rather have Wade Phillips as DC.

[RavensAllTheWay]

One of the main ways I determine how good a Defensive coordinator is if teams come knocking on the door to interview them for HC postions. Just like Cam Cameron Pees is a coordinator for life, because no other team wants them running the show. Might sound harsh but that's the reality of it.  I would much rather have Wade Phillips as DC.

 

But there are so many good coordinators who end up sucking as HCs. They may be a coordinator for life, but that doesn't mean they're bad.

[ravensdfan]

But there are so many good coordinators who end up sucking as HCs. They may be a coordinator for life, but that doesn't mean they're bad.

Except when Pees & NE "parted ways" he couldn't even get a job as a DC. No one wanted him. We brought him here as a position coach.

[RavensAllTheWay]

Except when Pees & NE "parted ways" he couldn't even get a job as a DC. No one wanted him. We brought him here as a position coach.

 

So what? Organizations mis-evaluate people all the time. Most of them don't have a successful pedigree like us.  

 

And as far as Pees being "soft," you do realize, with all the injuries we had at CB, it's extremely ill-advised to play this aggressive bump and run style because the risk of giving up a big play is so much greater. The only good bump and run corner we had went out for the year in week 8. You say injuries are an "excuse."  I say, what do you honestly expect against an all time great QB in the playoffs in his house with the secondary we had? Let's be realistic here.

[The Raven]

Pees' struggles were directly related to injuries, as well as a lack of development of Chykie Brown and, to a lesser extent, Asa Jackson.

 

We very well could have been a good press and man coverage team if our draft picks panned out. Jimmy and Webb were projected starters, Chykie had shown potential, and so did Asa. Webb could have slid to the nickel, leaving Chykie on the outside where he fits better, or we could have slid Asa in at nickel and kept Webb outside. This sounded great last offseason, and many, including myself, thought our secondary's biggest problem would be safety, not corner.

 

Then Asa got hurt early in the season. Webb was still knocking off rust on his knees. Chykie crapped the bed later, failing to become the press man corner he was drafted to be, and then Jimmy got hurt. Arguably, we drafted with the goal of being a press man team that does some off man and some press bail zone. Jimmy can press. Chykie was a solid press and man cover guy in college. Webb and Asa both offer guys who can press small receivers, and also play in the nickel. But injuries ruined our plan. Additionally, Rashaan Melvin was later signed off waivers, clearly indicating a desire to play more man and press man.

 

It's clear from our draft picks and some signings that Pees, Harbs, and Ozzie want to play press man and man. To me, it looks like we were forced into zone. To say that Pees is soft because he won't use press is just flat out ignorant. We planned to play press. It just didn't work out.

[gabefergy]

So what? Organizations mis-evaluate people all the time. Most of them don't have a successful pedigree like us.

And as far as Pees being "soft," you do realize, with all the injuries we had at CB, it's extremely ill-advised to play this aggressive bump and run style because the risk of giving up a big play is so much greater. The only good bump and run corner we had went out for the year in week 8. You say injuries are an "excuse." I say, what do you honestly expect against an all time great QB in the playoffs in his house with the secondary we had? Let's be realistic here.

Didn't Melvin get roasted for over 200 yards and 2 TDs against NE? That's not on the coordinator.

Also, for those clamoring to press more or play more man with the CBs, that's exactly what he did on the game winning TD for NE. Melvin tried to play Lafell tight and got beat deep for the TD.

That's why Pees played a lot of zone and off coverage, the CBs were abysmal.

[jazz1988]

One of the main ways I determine how good a Defensive coordinator is if teams come knocking on the door to interview them for HC postions. Just like Cam Cameron Pees is a coordinator for life, because no other team wants them running the show. Might sound harsh but that's the reality of it.  I would much rather have Wade Phillips as DC.

 

Nobody going to come knocking on the door for Wade Phllips either for head coaching job. One of the main reason why no team is going to be interested in Dean Pees as head coach because the guy is in his 60's .You not going to find many head coaches in The NFL that are 60 something years old because usually teams like to go younger. 

[Tiz]

There is nothing solid about giving up 2 14 pt leads. Nothing at all.

This year the excuse is injuries. What was it last year? What was it our SB year?

More importantly, what will it be this coming year?

He isn't solid. He's soft. That's his style. That isn't Ravens' style.

So yeah, I'd agree he isn't going anywhere, but that isn't a good thing in terms of our defense.

Lol. I always judge people off one game.

Yeah we were top ten defensively but no let's just judge him off that one game.

[berad]

Didn't Melvin get roasted for over 200 yards and 2 TDs against NE? That's not on the coordinator.

Also, for those clamoring to press more or play more man with the CBs, that's exactly what he did on the game winning TD for NE. Melvin tried to play Lafell tight and got beat deep for the TD.

That's why Pees played a lot of zone and off coverage, the CBs were abysmal.

 

So there's absolutely nothing Pees could have done to keep them from scoring 35 on us?

 

Melvin played poorly but you're being set up for failure when you're playing 10 yds off and the receiver catches a 5-yd curl with room to run.

 

In my mind, Pees could have reigned in the pass rush. Instead of having Suggs and Dumervil run around the tackles and having Brady easily slide up, try to collapse the pocket and look for deflections. You know they're trying to get the ball out fast, makes no sense to me to have pass rushers and corners positioned like they're expecting 7-step drops.

[berad]

Lol. I always judge people off one game.

Yeah we were top ten defensively but no let's just judge him off that one game.

 

Pees did very well for the most part, including the week before it Pittsburgh, but it's hard to stick up for that New England game.

[gtalk12]

I never really cared for Dean P, mostly because I enjoyed the exotic blitz that came from Rex and how great we where with Chuck. I just want to see more sack numbers and hits but that's because I'm greedy and want it all.

 

Dean has done a great job with what he has had, we've improved over the years. We won a SB with him too.

 

He stays

[Ozzsome]

so all the negative talk about our DC hasn't been that loud lately that i could notice. are we keeping him? are we happy with him? i know during the season a lot of people were vocal about wanting a change but i don't hear that much anymore and i havent' read anything about a coaching change.

I think Pees has done a really good job this year when you look at the injuries we had at the back end.

Yet personally I'd like to have more of a blitzing D-Coordinator like a Chuck Pagano. I am not a huge fan of this bend-don't-break defense thing, but as long as it works I am ok with it

[ravensdfan]

Lol. I always judge people off one game.

Yeah we were top ten defensively but no let's just judge him off that one game.

Well apparently you and others do when you're all in the thread after the Pitt game asking where was the praise for Pees right?

Always want it both ways.

No way to defend that NE game. Injuries or not, he made no attempt to adjust to anything. Playing 7-10 yards off while they're dumping 5-6 yd passes on every single down is just insanity.

[gtalk12]

Well apparently you and others do when you're all in the thread after the Pitt game asking where was the praise for Pees right?

Always want it both ways.

No way to defend that NE game. Injuries or not, he made no attempt to adjust to anything. Playing 7-10 yards off while they're dumping 5-6 yd passes on every single down is just insanity.

 

 

If not Pees, who do you have in mind?

[ravensdfan]

If not Pees, who do you have in mind?

I already stated he isn't going anywhere, but acting like that is a gift is unreasonable. He is average at best and has way too many times when he is below average.

[jazz1988]

Except when Pees & NE "parted ways" he couldn't even get a job as a DC. No one wanted him. We brought him here as a position coach.

I see your point but nobody showed interest in Wade Philips  after he was fired from The Houston Texans, Nobody has shown interest in Jim Schwartz and he did great  job with The Buffalo Bills defense last year.

[The Raven]

So there's absolutely nothing Pees could have done to keep them from scoring 35 on us?

 

Melvin played poorly but you're being set up for failure when you're playing 10 yds off and the receiver catches a 5-yd curl with room to run.

 

In my mind, Pees could have reigned in the pass rush. Instead of having Suggs and Dumervil run around the tackles and having Brady easily slide up, try to collapse the pocket and look for deflections. You know they're trying to get the ball out fast, makes no sense to me to have pass rushers and corners positioned like they're expecting 7-step drops.

 

If the defenders are not making tackles, there is very little Pees can do. Simple fact. There's nothing any coach can do when his players miss tackles. This game is two things: blocking and tackling. If you can't tackle, you might as well put 11 cones out there.

 

As for the pass rush, you have to pressure them. Maybe we should have went for more deflections, but we all know how Brady does when he gets pressured. And for the record, we did give him a good amount of interior pressure.

[gtalk12]

I already stated he isn't going anywhere, but acting like that is a gift is unreasonable. He is average at best and has way too many times when he is below average.

 

I wouldn't say he is average, I think he has done a good job with what he has had. An aged Reed who couldn't tackle and Ray Lewis.

 

We just don't have the guys back there like we use to, guys like Pollard, Landry, Reed....Webb has his injury issues as does Jimmy Smith. We lost Cary Williams, Arthur Jones, Kruger, Corey Graham. There has been alot of turnover during his time here