Franchise TAG Mcphee

[Gordo52]

I don't have the advanced stats, but I'm curious if McPhee was a top 5 interior pass rusher this season....Probably not but I imagine he was somewhere in the top 10....I hope we don't end up using the tag this year.

If I had to choose one to keep out of Torrey & McPhee, I'd lean Torrey. It's close for me though.

[PurpleCity5]

I don't see us tagging anyone. 

[beasy2487]

I disagree

[JetLife94]

I don't have the advanced stats, but I'm curious if McPhee was a top 5 interior pass rusher this season....Probably not but I imagine he was somewhere in the top 10....I hope we don't end up using the tag this year.

If I had to choose one to keep out of Torrey & McPhee, I'd lean Torrey. It's close for me though.

I think he was the #1 OLB in a 3-4 defense until week 12 or soemthing

[Static]

No. Sizzlevil is still primetime and Williams , Jernigan, Tyson , Guy , and Ngata(?) Can hold down the inside.

Plus KLM and Urban returning.

Our D-line is Top 5 without Mcphee and we need to spend that money elsewhere. I don't think he is nearly as productive without a solid rotation and surrounding talent.

[mmcclend]

If we tagged him wouldn't that mean we have no room for anybody else cap wise?

[Gordo52]

From Insider:

You don't often see a player who starts in the NFL at nose tackle and works his way out to a 3-4 outside linebacker, but that's exactly what McPhee has done over his career in Baltimore. Admittedly, he was always a pass-rushing player wherever he lined up, but nobody looked at the guy when he was lining up on the nose and envisioned him tearing around the edge of offensive tackles and tight ends. He showed this year that it could be his most natural position as he formed a formidable three-headed pass-rushing monster for the Ravens with Elvis Dumervil and Terrell Suggs.

McPhee ended the year ranked second in PFF grades among 3-4 outside linebackers, trailing only 20-sack man Justin Houston, and may now be the most versatile of the three Ravens rushers. McPhee can line up all across the formation and bring the heat from multiple spots. He is an upcoming free agent and has more than a few similarities to Seattle's Michael Bennett. Though Bennett notched more total pressures this season (72 to McPhee's 64), it was the McPhee who earned the better pass-rushing productivity score when that pressure is weighted on a per-snap basis.

McPhee is a dominant, versatile pass-rusher who could ascend to a new level if a team wants to make him a featured player on its front seven in 2015.

[Static]

I remember noticing that Mcphee was different Monster this year all the way in preseason. 

[Ray Lewis 4 President]

One thing about McPhee that was evident all season, was that he clearly outplayed Haloti Ngata - in the majority; if not almost every game of the season.

The man deserves to be paid.

Stinginess has been allowed before, but honestly Ozzie knows best.

- If it were my call, I would re-sign McPhee for what hes worth.

His motor, aggressiveness, and versatility makes him a top 10-15 D-Lineman in the NFL 

[JoeyFlex5]

average out the cost of the top 5 highest paid OLB's in the game and pay mcphee that for one season so he can be a situational player and then walk the next season when he still commands too much money... 

 

no thanks.

[MurryEB]

One thing about McPhee that was evident all season, was that he clearly outplayed Haloti Ngata - in the majority; if not almost every game of the season.

The man deserves to be paid.

Stinginess has been allowed before, but honestly Ozzie knows best.

- If it were my call, I would re-sign McPhee for what hes worth.

His motor, aggressiveness, and versatility makes him a top 10-15 D-Lineman in the NFL

2 things

Why are you comparing a Linebacker to a Nose Tackle

Outside Linebackers are not Dlinemen. He used to be on the line but was average there.

What some people just don't seem to understand is we literally don't need him, at least when you compare his use in this team to what we'd have to pay him. I'm fine with doom being our situational pass rusher, we don't need to be paying 3 OLBs, that's not how you succeed. We ha e so much more we have to do with little cap space because of cutting Rice so there is no way to retain Mcphee, let him get paid who he deserves by someone who needs him.

[mmcclend]

Idk how we could do it but we have got to find a way to keep this guy. To have that type of pass rusher who can line up everywhere is rare. I know he will likely chase the big bucks but we have to try.

[Ray Lewis 4 President]

Why are you comparing a Linebacker to a Nose Tackle

Outside Linebackers are not Dlinemen. He used to be on the line but was average there.

 

You're thinking too much about the position title.

McPhee is a defensive lineman - a pass rusher.

Show me one play all season where McPhee covered.

I'm not even saying man coverage, show me a play where he covered any sort of flat or zone.

The way our defense is set up, a player with his versatility on the inside AND out, is essential.

[RavensDE]

This is very similar to the Art Jones situation last year, or Kruger the year before.  We like the guy.  He provides us with something special in terms of his ability to rush the passer and seems to be getting better but it doesn't fit our cap strategy. 

 

Cap Strategy 

 We only pay a few players big time money and build around them through the draft and bargain deals out of free-agency.  For example we paid Ngata, Suggs and Flacco big time money, and paid Webb, Monroe and Yanda a tier down from that but virtually everyone else is from the draft or a bargain.  The cap forces us to make decisions about which talent we will let go, not just if we want to pay up or not.  Art, Kruger and now McPhee were good building block pieces but their market value is higher than the value we place on them within the cap framework (a $ value Mr. Moriarty constructs).  We make those guys an offer that reflects our relative cap value but we fully understand that in most cases the players will do what is best for them and take a much higher offer elsewhere.  If we wanted to keep him then we would have to lose someone else like Ngata, or multiple players at mid-level to bargain rates.  We will have to cut some players as it is so it really isn't the best option for us unless we expect McPhee to become an all-pro type dominant player.

 

 

Additional thoughts on McPhee

Moving him to OLB was a step back to take two steps forward in terms of his development as a player.  We really did him a favor in that he can play DE or even DT in 4-3, or OLB in the 3-4 or in a pinch any position in the front seven.  The reality is that he is an explosive player with great pass rush ability, a solid player in the run game, a bit of a liability in coverage, and average in his ability to break down a play.  The best part of his package is that he loves football and is getting better.  He will find a nice home somewhere.

[Ravenseconbeast]

I think we do need a young explosive pure speed rusher that can explode past the OT and strike the qb b4 he even sets. Avril is a speed rusher and it was easy to see Brady was a different qb when he got comfy in the pocket. When he was being pressured he was terrible. Then Avril gets a concussion and Brady was a different Qb.

Suggs and Dumervil are good rushers. But they are technique rushers more so than somebody who can put heat on the qb b4 he even sets. The better QBs get rid of the ball in 3 seconds. We didn't press Bradys WRs but there were still times the rush had 3-4 seconds. If you are going to shut Brady down you have to play to get there in 3 to maybe 3 1/2 seconds. We could use a young speed rusher to learn from suggs and Dumervil. Mcphee is not the player we need anyways. KC beat the breaks off The Patsies cuz the speed rushers got there early and often and Brady had his worst game in years. We need that #3 edge rusher but it needs to be a speed rusher to eventually replace Suggs who is no Spring Chicken. Mcphee isn't that feared edge rusher. Productive but not that game changer. Ravens need to and invest on that game changing explosive edge rusher. Preferably the draft that's rich in speed rushers however if he hit the market Justin Houston is a guy you break the bank for. Perhaps JPP but he has been inconsistent. When getting the edge rusher of the future its very crucial to not get A edge rusher but THE edge rusher!!

I think most *great* pass rusher must have both at a exclusive level effectively. Houston might be one of the very few rusher from draft that panned out that wasn't a 1st/2nd rounders. They cost alot to draft and rare to pan out. Hence the reason why OLB/DE are premium in price.

Grabbing a pass rush outside 1st day should be a more 'pick and choose' type of player. And I think we've done very well on finding those great but flawed gems(situational players). Arthur and Mcphee has done well, but you are not going to find 'all around' type of pass rushers very often. Just have fun watching doom&suggs and hope they got longivity on them.

[jimmypowder]

Tag his fat butt .Get rid of Webb and Elam. Pay Torrey a 3rd receiver pay day. 

 

Dump Jacoby ,should have kept Deonte for returns . Sign Justin . Get rid of

 

Pierce. Find a replacement for Monroe . Trade Arther Brown !! Should have been done

already.

[rmcjacket23]

Tag his fat butt .Get rid of Webb and Elam. Pay Torrey a 3rd receiver pay day. 

 

Dump Jacoby ,should have kept Deonte for returns . Sign Justin . Get rid of

 

Pierce. Find a replacement for Monroe . Trade Arther Brown !! Should have been done

already.

Ironically, if we did most of the things you suggest, we wouldn't have enough cap space to tag McPhee anyway.

[jimmypowder]

Ironically, if we did most of the things you suggest, we wouldn't have enough cap space to tag McPhee anyway.

You are always wrong as usual .Just like the Rice issueAnd we would have enough cap space if we did it right.

[rmcjacket23]

You are always wrong as usual .Just like the Rice issueAnd we would have enough cap space if we did it right.

Based on what? Feel free to post a salary cap breakdown of your scenario. It should include plenty of numbers. I'm not expecting you to though, because that would require you to walk the walk.

 

And naturally, I nailed the Ray Rice issue. I very specifically stated over and over and over again that IF Ray Rice won anything in a salary appeal, it would be in a settlement and is essentially a generosity from the Ravens. And what do you know... that's what actually happened.

 

I look forward to your detailed cap breakdown of how all of those scenarios play out AND we still tag McPhee.

[jimmypowder]

Based on what? Feel free to post a salary cap breakdown of your scenario. It should include plenty of numbers. I'm not expecting you to though, because that would require you to walk the walk.

And naturally, I nailed the Ray Rice issue. I very specifically stated over and over and over again that IF Ray Rice won anything in a salary appeal, it would be in a settlement and is essentially a generosity from the Ravens. And what do you know... that's what actually happened.

I look forward to your detailed cap breakdown of how all of those scenarios play out AND we still tag McPhee.

Well I know you didn't do a salary cap breakdown when you commented .

And you said Rice would get nothing .

Wrong as usual . Your comments end up being more wrong than anyone else in this forum.

[rmcjacket23]

Well I know you didn't do a salary cap breakdown when you commented . And you said Rice would get nothing . Wrong as usual . Your comments end up being more wrong than anyone else in this forum.

LOL, fine, since you won't walk the walk, I'll do what you should have done to begin with...

 

1. You said dump Webb and Elam. Fine. They combined to save us a whopping $1.2M against the cap (Elam actually costs more to cut than to keep, so in step 1 alone we already know you're plan is illogical and won't happen), but we will continue anyway.

 

2. You said pay Torrey #3 WR money. He won't accept (because nobody on the planet things thats reasonable), and he will walk in FA, so he won't be a member of this team. Zero cap savings from that, since he doesn't count against the cap right now anyway.

 

3. You said dump Jacoby. Fine. He saves us another whopping $750K against the cap.

 

4. You said dump Pierce. Fine. He saves us another whopping $660K against the cap.

 

5. I have no idea what "find a replacement for Monroe" means, but if it involves cutting him, you actually INCREASE his cap hit by $6.6M more. If you decided to trade him, you increase his cap hit by $1.1M. Either way, you take a bigger cap hit to let him go than to keep him. Obviously, that's not happening either.

 

6. You said trade Arthur Brown. Fine. Trading him saves another whopping $480K against the cap. We can assume, very aggressively, that we would fetch a mid round pick for him, which I personally think is naive, but I'll cater to this fantasy tale even further.

 

Based on Russell Street's cap analysis, after we tender all of our EFAs and RFAs (which covers Tucker, so he's still a part of this team), the Ravens would be roughly $4.3M OVER the salary cap as of now. Assuming that we don't cut or trade Monroe, and based on the cuts you've recommended, you've saved us $3.1M. So now, based on your recommendations, we are only $1.2M OVER the cap.

 

Now, if we conservatively expect McPhee to be tagged as a LB, he would carry a 2015 cap number of a projected $13M roughly.

 

So, after all that hard work you did, you've still got to find a way to cut another $14M+ off the cap so we can franchise him.

 

Good luck.

[B-more Ravor]

The Tag for McPhee (assuming a Cap of around $143M) would be over $13M.

[Tru11]

LOL, fine, since you won't walk the walk, I'll do what you should have done to begin with...

 

1. You said dump Webb and Elam. Fine. They combined to save us a whopping $1.2M against the cap (Elam actually costs more to cut than to keep, so in step 1 alone we already know you're plan is illogical and won't happen), but we will continue anyway.

 

2. You said pay Torrey #3 WR money. He won't accept (because nobody on the planet things thats reasonable), and he will walk in FA, so he won't be a member of this team. Zero cap savings from that, since he doesn't count against the cap right now anyway.

 

3. You said dump Jacoby. Fine. He saves us another whopping $750K against the cap.

 

4. You said dump Pierce. Fine. He saves us another whopping $660K against the cap.

 

5. I have no idea what "find a replacement for Monroe" means, but if it involves cutting him, you actually INCREASE his cap hit by $6.6M more. If you decided to trade him, you increase his cap hit by $1.1M. Either way, you take a bigger cap hit to let him go than to keep him. Obviously, that's not happening either.

 

6. You said trade Arthur Brown. Fine. Trading him saves another whopping $480K against the cap. We can assume, very aggressively, that we would fetch a mid round pick for him, which I personally think is naive, but I'll cater to this fantasy tale even further.

 

Based on Russell Street's cap analysis, after we tender all of our EFAs and RFAs (which covers Tucker, so he's still a part of this team), the Ravens would be roughly $4.3M OVER the salary cap as of now. Assuming that we don't cut or trade Monroe, and based on the cuts you've recommended, you've saved us $3.1M. So now, based on your recommendations, we are only $1.2M OVER the cap.

 

Now, if we conservatively expect McPhee to be tagged as a LB, he would carry a 2015 cap number of a projected $13M roughly.

 

So, after all that hard work you did, you've still got to find a way to cut another $14M+ off the cap so we can franchise him.

 

Good luck.

 

pretty sure he is just trolling you lol

[52520Andrew]

We don't have the space to tag McPhee, it would take over 10 mil in cap space which we don't have. Also spending all the cap space on one player is stupid as it ignores depth.

[rmcjacket23]

pretty sure he is just trolling you lol

LOL I'm aware... the best way to handle a troll is to troll them back... they always run away.

[BMORE21]

From the very beginning i thought that deonte thompson had potential to be a top kick returner.. We need to cut jacoby and pick back up deonte.. reconstruct webb and sign chris cullivar..It should be easy for us to pick up vernon davis on a 2yr 7 mil deal

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

LOL, fine, since you won't walk the walk, I'll do what you should have done to begin with...

1. You said dump Webb and Elam. Fine. They combined to save us a whopping $1.2M against the cap (Elam actually costs more to cut than to keep, so in step 1 alone we already know you're plan is illogical and won't happen), but we will continue anyway.

2. You said pay Torrey #3 WR money. He won't accept (because nobody on the planet things thats reasonable), and he will walk in FA, so he won't be a member of this team. Zero cap savings from that, since he doesn't count against the cap right now anyway.

3. You said dump Jacoby. Fine. He saves us another whopping $750K against the cap.

4. You said dump Pierce. Fine. He saves us another whopping $660K against the cap.

5. I have no idea what "find a replacement for Monroe" means, but if it involves cutting him, you actually INCREASE his cap hit by $6.6M more. If you decided to trade him, you increase his cap hit by $1.1M. Either way, you take a bigger cap hit to let him go than to keep him. Obviously, that's not happening either.

6. You said trade Arthur Brown. Fine. Trading him saves another whopping $480K against the cap. We can assume, very aggressively, that we would fetch a mid round pick for him, which I personally think is naive, but I'll cater to this fantasy tale even further.

Based on Russell Street's cap analysis, after we tender all of our EFAs and RFAs (which covers Tucker, so he's still a part of this team), the Ravens would be roughly $4.3M OVER the salary cap as of now. Assuming that we don't cut or trade Monroe, and based on the cuts you've recommended, you've saved us $3.1M. So now, based on your recommendations, we are only $1.2M OVER the cap.

Now, if we conservatively expect McPhee to be tagged as a LB, he would carry a 2015 cap number of a projected $13M roughly.

So, after all that hard work you did, you've still got to find a way to cut another $14M+ off the cap so we can franchise him.

Good luck.

Thanks for actually explaining it. I didn't want to do the work myself haha

[ludy51]

After one bad year people already want to drop Jacoby. Oh for Ozzie's sake.

[Wildabeast88]

Tag his fat butt .Get rid of Webb and Elam. Pay Torrey a 3rd receiver pay day. 

 

Dump Jacoby ,should have kept Deonte for returns . Sign Justin . Get rid of

 

Pierce. Find a replacement for Monroe . Trade Arther Brown !! Should have been done

already.

getting rid of Webb Elam Jaoby Pierce and Monroe would cost us about 20 mil better option restructure Webb. Pierce doesn't cost that much anyways probably around 500-700K without looking it up Jacoby if we waited til after June 1st could happen but doesn't save us much. Elam we are stuck with due to we are on the hook for 2 more years of guaranteed money. Why trade Arthur Brown I get he wasn't on the field but after D Smith leaves Brown could be the starter next to CJ

[ravensdan]

We've mostly used the tag to buy time to hammer out a long term deal for a star player. I don't think we've ever made someone play it out. If so it's been a long time.