Backup QB (Merged)

[The Mom Gene]

We haven't seen what Wenning can do...  I understand he's pretty good....  I wouldn't diss him yet at all.

[redrum52]

Backup qb is an overrated position to me. You're most likely losing if they're playing and it's not a blow out. Good ones cost too much. Look around the league and tell me whi ch team is investing in a back up? I say do it how Ozzie has. Draft late round qbs, let them learn the system and let them go, when the contracts up.

[frozen joe flacco fan]

The answer to the OP's question seems rather obvious to me. It appears we will not address the backup QB situation until Joe gets hurt. That's not sound judgment on Ozzie's part but it seems to be the reality. I'd rather have a veteran QB like Marc Bulger was backing up Joe than someone like Tyrod who has very limited in-game experience. If the Ravens keep Tyrod on the roster, they should bring him in to run a pistol offense play occasionally to keep the defense honest and train him to be the holder on place-kicks, again, just to keep the defense honest. As it is, he's simply a cheap insurance policy on Joe and the return on investment is poor IMHO. Joe would be much better off with a veteran, journeyman QB behind him. I would think that drafting a QB would be very low on our priority list right now and a waste of good draft pick.

[RedFire]

We haven't seen what Wenning can do...  I understand he's pretty good....  I wouldn't diss him yet at all.

 

I hope so. we play in the AFC North and it's rolling dice imo guaranteeing a player will suit up every game.  

 

And from a personal standpoint I feel like we can't take season off as our franchise is still fighting for respect in the media plus fans. If steelers have a bad couple of years....no love is lost for them. Ravens string together a couple of bad seasons like 2007 and we are a joke franchise. 

[Wildabeast88]

I also like Wenning I think he is serviceable as a backup. Having a high dollar backup is not an option for a team like us that is right to the cap also having a durable QB you do not need to spend a ton of money

[Militant X 1]

Tyrod could go somewhere.. he would be a good backup for a team that likes to run the read option like Seattle, Washington, Carolina, or SF. No one in their right mind would consider starting him. 

 

You never know.

[ravensnick]

You never know.

If a coach wanted to no longer be a coach, then yes.

[Edgar]

We haven't seen what Wenning can do...  I understand he's pretty good....  I wouldn't diss him yet at all.

I'd be a little bothered if we brought in a veteran instead of wenning at this point.

We gave up a draft pick to a division rival in last years draft so that we could have campanaro, who we could have taken in the 6th and will have  wasted not one, but two picks on a back up QB assuming Wenning doesn't work out.

If he isn't the back up QB I call that move a major blunder.

[Ravenslifer]

Wenning is fine.  People keep bringing up Bulger, but the reality of THAT situation was that Joe was in year 3; his first 3 years we went with the experience in Smith, Bulger, and Boller.  Joe doesn't need a veteran backup - I can see the idea being a guy capable of starting in case he goes down, but the reality of the situation is that if Joe goes down, the season is done regardless - there is no backup that has the playmaking ability Joe does.  Look at every other top quarterback in the league - most of their backups are career backups.  So who would we bring in - Blaine Gabbert, Jimmy Clausen, Jason Campell, Colt McCoy?  What have any of these guys shown that makes anyone think Wenning won't be as effective in a reduced role, basically handing the ball off and throwing 15-20 times a game?

[HoldingCall]

Tyrod could go somewhere.. he would be a good backup for a team that likes to run the read option like Seattle, Washington, Carolina, or SF. No one in their right mind would consider starting him. 

 

Lots probably said the same about Forsett before he proved himself here. One never know what a new opportunity can do to a career. Taylor is also good for teams like the Rams and Cardinals that need to practice for the read option while preparing for the Seahawks and 49ers within their division.

[Militant X 1]

Lots probably said the same about Forsett before he proved himself here. One never know what a new opportunity can do to a career. Taylor is also good for teams like the Rams and Cardinals that need to practice for the read option while preparing for the Seahawks and 49ers within their division.

 

Exactly! 

[ravensnick]

Lots probably said the same about Forsett before he proved himself here. One never know what a new opportunity can do to a career. Taylor is also good for teams like the Rams and Cardinals that need to practice for the read option while preparing for the Seahawks and 49ers within their division.

Forsett was forced into starting. Kubiak wanted a back with some experience to help the others learn and we all thought Rice was going to be the starter before we cut him. And then Pierce still started. And no offense, but other NFL GM are just going to see Forsett as another scheme back from Kubiak. I doubt he gets any serious offers outside us and Denver contract wise. 

[jaege]

i would consider taking tim tebow as a back up qb. not joking either.

 

 

Backup what? Prayer meeting leader? Or water boy?

[jaege]

Tyrod could go somewhere.. he would be a good backup for a team that likes to run the read option like Seattle, Washington, Carolina, or SF. No one in their right mind would consider starting him. 

 

 

Personally, I don't see the potential that Mili sees in Tyrod, but even if he never gets past being mediocre, there are teams that are desperate for anyone that can toss a ball. Someone would give him a chance, or should. It is possible that he could wind up as a good QB. 

[cobrajet]

You never know.

Agreed, you implement an offense based around his skill-set and I bet he would surprise a lot of people, especially if he eluded injury doing what he does best. If Tyrod gets no offers and wants to stay as our backup at the right price, I would love to keep him.

[HoldingCall]

Forsett was forced into starting. Kubiak wanted a back with some experience to help the others learn and we all thought Rice was going to be the starter before we cut him. And then Pierce still started. And no offense, but other NFL GM are just going to see Forsett as another scheme back from Kubiak. I doubt he gets any serious offers outside us and Denver contract wise. 

 

Forsett started because he won the job, it was not given to him he earned it.

[FastEddie]

We have one of the most durable quarterbacks in the prime of his career. I don't really think a back up quarterback is a top priority at this point.

 

Happy with drafting a college QB and let him ride the bench in case of emergency. 

[Bltravens]

Useless endeavour. If Flacco goes down the season is toasted anyways.  May as well rack up a top 10 pick in that case.

[rmcjacket23]

Agreed, you implement an offense based around his skill-set and I bet he would surprise a lot of people, especially if he eluded injury doing what he does best. If Tyrod gets no offers and wants to stay as our backup at the right price, I would love to keep him.

I think that's the problem though... you'd have an impossible time naming one NFL team that would actually design an entire offense around Tyrod's skill sets. Frankly, I think any NFL team would have a tough time actually defining what his skill sets are. We know that he can run, what there's not much indication of anything else.

 

He's not exactly a revolutionary type talent, so I don't think his ability to run will all of the sudden take the NFL by storm, since he's not the first or last of those types of QBs in this league, and most of them never really amount to a successful NFL QB.

 

Frankly, if I were a team that actually wanted Tyrod as my starter, I'd FORCE him to be the QB I wanted him to be, and the QB that the NFL requires you to be. I'd force him to stay in the pocket at least 90-95% of the time, and deliver accurate throws all over the middle of the field. Because realistically, if you can't do those things, you can't play successfully in this league.

Edited February 18, 2015 by rmcjacket23

[busterblue52]

Useless endeavour. If Flacco goes down the season is toasted anyways.  May as well rack up a top 10 pick in that case.

 

This was my initial reaction but then I thought about if Flacco was only out for 2-3 weeks then it becomes VERY important imo. We need someone that can hold down the fort not a guy that can win a SB.

[Bruce_Almty]

Ravens address the backup QB position every year. For the past 4 yrs TT has been the answer b/c Tom Brady was not available. What else could Ozzie do? 

Edited February 18, 2015 by Bruce_Almty

[Bltravens]

This was my initial reaction but then I thought about if Flacco was only out for 2-3 weeks then it becomes VERY important imo. We need someone that can hold down the fort not a guy that can win a SB.

A valid point, though I generally feel the cap hit is too high for a "capable" backup QB who could hold the fort for a few weeks.  I feel anything past Flacco missing a few games is a toasted season anyways.  I just don't think the cap hit is on par with the potential use.

[ravensnick]

Forsett started because he won the job, it was not given to him he earned it.

He erned because of Pierce's lack of production and fumbling issues. 

[HoldingCall]

He erned because of Pierce's lack of production and fumbling issues. 

What does a RB have to do?? He led the NFL at 5.4 average per carry. That says he was more than just a default choice. He took the position!

[ravensnick]

What does a RB have to do?? He led the NFL at 5.4 average per carry. That says he was more than just a default choice. He took the position!

He did a great job with the job but it was out of need. Rice was supposed to start and got cut and pierce couldn't

pull his own weight. Pierce did start week one. So aForsett didn't win the job more so as we had to have him start.

[HoldingCall]

He did a great job with the job but it was out of need. Rice was supposed to start and got cut and pierce couldn't

pull his own weight. Pierce did start week one. So aForsett didn't win the job more so as we had to have him start.

OK! lol

[rmcjacket23]

He did a great job with the job but it was out of need. Rice was supposed to start and got cut and pierce couldn't

pull his own weight. Pierce did start week one. So aForsett didn't win the job more so as we had to have him start.

Pierce had six carries week 1, Forsett had 11.

 

IF Pierce started, it was on paper, not reality.

[ravensnick]

Pierce had six carries week 1, Forsett had 11.

 

IF Pierce started, it was on paper, not reality.

Pierce started and got yanked due to fumbling, as I said. Pierce lost the job and Forsett was originally an afterthought who knew the system that was in the right place at the right time. 

[rmcjacket23]

Pierce started and got yanked due to fumbling, as I said. Pierce lost the job and Forsett was originally an afterthought who knew the system that was in the right place at the right time. 

Nice try, but no. This would make sense, except for the fact that the very next week, in week 2, Pierce outcarried Forsett 22-8, and with ZERO fumbles.

 

So apparently, that fumble in week 1 didn't amount to a benching at all, considering Pierce got an almost 3-1 carry benefit less than a week later.

 

What REALLY happened is that Pierce got injured in week 2, and Forsett had a better YPC average when he wasn't in the game (Pierce averaged 4 YPC in the first two games, while Forsett averaged 5.8 YPC in the first four weeks).

[ravensnick]

Nice try, but no. This would make sense, except for the fact that the very next week, in week 2, Pierce outcarried Forsett 22-8, and with ZERO fumbles.

 

So apparently, that fumble in week 1 didn't amount to a benching at all, considering Pierce got an almost 3-1 carry benefit less than a week later.

 

What REALLY happened is that Pierce got injured in week 2, and Forsett had a better YPC average when he wasn't in the game (Pierce averaged 4 YPC in the first two games, while Forsett averaged 5.8 YPC in the first four weeks).

Either way proves my point that Forsett was thrust into the role rather than won it over the competition.