Backup QB (Merged)

[RedFire]

I don't think Troy smith / Tyrod Taylor is Matt Cassel. The reality of the situation is Joe is only one hit away and we have been blessed so far.... and we are a next man up team and not having a solid backup is not a good investment and some people would want us to tank. We are gambling on one man to play all games every year and I'm not sure we are serviceable in the backup position and not sure we can keep rolling such dice.

I want to win it all no matter who is lined up...or under center every year. And I don't want a Curtis Painter situation....just my 2.

[TDubbs]

If we lost Flacco for the year (knock on wood) there would be no way a backup could even take us to the playoffs. So in that situation, I'd prefer a Curtis Painter situation and tank it for a top 5 pick. 

[RedFire]

If we lost Flacco for the year (knock on wood) there would be no way a backup could even take us to the playoffs. So in that situation, I'd prefer a Curtis Painter situation and tank it for a top 5 pick. 

 

 

don't you think we could bring in a vet?  Flacco is comfortable enough not to feel threatened...but we like having young guys at the number 2 QB spot for some reason. 

 

The odds can't keep being in our favor. 

[rmcjacket23]

don't you think we could bring in a vet?  Flacco is comfortable enough not to feel threatened...but we like having young guys at the number 2 QB spot for some reason. 

 

The odds can't keep being in our favor. 

Yes, that's what Curtis Painter is... a vet.

 

If you're asking should we spend the money to bring in some perceived "high end" backup that magically might win us like 8-9 games, then no, we shouldn't.

[GrimCoconut]

Best bet is to get a guy in the draft and develop him like we did with Taylor. If he looks great, you can eventually trade him for a draft pick and get him on a cheap deal. QB, even back-ups, can be pricey. I'm not sure how sound a decision it is to just throw money at a back-up.

[rmw10]

I wouldn't stress is that much.  No team is making it all the way with some overpriced backup QB.  The Cardinals threw quite a bit of money at Drew Stanton to be a backup, and even though he didn't play in the playoffs, it was quite obvious that team wasn't going that far.  There aren't 32 quality starting QBs, so your chances of finding a backup that can pick up where the starter leaves off is slim to none.  The best chance of that is grabbing a guy in the draft and hoping they turn into something if given the shot.  The unknown is the way to go, honestly.  We've seen all of the vet FAs by this point and know what type of player they are.

[RedFire]

Yes, that's what Curtis Painter is... a vet.

If you're asking should we spend the money to bring in some perceived "high end" backup that magically might win us like 8-9 games, then no, we shouldn't.

Never heard of him be4 taking manning place. Who did painter play and start for prior?

Yeah I was thinking like rex grossman type. Failed starters that would only need the minimum, but could really produce when called upon. Like Rex grossman did for the Redskins.

Edited January 20, 2015 by RedFire

[rafahash]

Never heard of him be4.

Yeah I was thinking like rex grossman type. Failed starters that would only need the minimum, but could really produce.

 

Curtis Painter was the QB for the Colts in the 2-14 season, when Manning got hurt.

[TDubbs]

Best bet is to get a guy in the draft and develop him like we did with Taylor. If he looks great, you can eventually trade him for a draft pick and get him on a cheap deal. QB, even back-ups, can be pricey. I'm not sure how sound a decision it is to just throw money at a back-up.

 

I agree. When you have a durable guy like Flacco you can take that risk. Draft a guy in the 6th/7th round with a cheap contract and let him develop; I think its a much better option than using cap space on an expensive backup. 

[RedFire]

Curtis Painter was the QB for the Colts in the 2-14 season, when Manning got hurt.

Who was he be4...what team was he starting for since he was the big time vet? Career backups are young guys to me.

[RedFire]

I agree. When you have a durable guy like Flacco you can take that risk. Draft a guy in the 6th/7th round with a cheap contract and let him develop; I think its a much better option than using cap space on an expensive backup.

Brady was durable too...then he blew out his knee for a season.

[rmcjacket23]

Who was he be4...what team was he starting for since he was the big time vet? Career backups are young guys to me.

Didn't start for anybody... that's the point.

 

He's sort of in the Case Keenum class... a guy that was only starting because of injury or because the guy in front of him was really bad, but if he's starting 16 games for you, you've got no shot.

 

Wenning is probably going to be the backup, so this probably doesn't matter.

[TDubbs]

Brady was durable too...then he blew out his knee for a season.

 

True enough, and they managed to salvage the season somewhat. But in that event, I'd rather get a top 5 pick because of a less than adequate QB. Start next season fresh with the Franchise QB and your new draft class. 

Edited January 20, 2015 by TDubbs

[RedFire]

Didn't start for anybody... that's the point.

He's sort of in the Case Keenum class... a guy that was only starting because of injury or because the guy in front of him was really bad, but if he's starting 16 games for you, you've got no shot.

Wenning is probably going to be the backup, so this probably doesn't matter.

Maybe it's the college game....but they got it done with the 3rd string at Ohio state.

Since you can't hand pick in the NFL and must draft I understand...but I feel like we could be more talented in the backup spot. I'm not down for a wasted season...I expect to contend for championship with anyone on the squad.

*knock on wood* but I don't want to be caught pants down without toilet paper.

Edited January 20, 2015 by RedFire

[rmcjacket23]

Maybe it's the college game....but they got it done with the 3rd string at Ohio state.

Since you can't hand pick in the NFL and must draft I understand...but I feel like we could be more talented in the backup spot. I'm not down for a wasted season...I expect to contend for championship with anyone on the squad.

*knock on wood* but I don't want to be caught pants down without toilet paper.

Lower your expectations. Without Flacco, we would be lucky to contend for a division title, let alone a championship. High expectations are great... as long as they are realistic and reasonable.

 

And yes, in terms of QB play, the college game is lightyears different than the NFL.

[RedFire]

True enough, and they managed to salvage the season somewhat. But in that event, I'd rather get a top 5 pick because of a less than adequate QB. Start next season fresh with the Franchise QB and your new draft class.

I feel like I'm the only one that wouldn't accept a wasted season beyond the coaches. I feel like we are still fighting for respect as a franchise.

I felt like we could have won the SB this yr and next to have been a dynasty! And then yall can't hate on the Ravens...and think of b-more as more than an episode of the wire.

[RedFire]

Lower your expectations. Without Flacco, we would be lucky to contend for a division title, let alone a championship. High expectations are great... as long as they are realistic and reasonable.

And yes, in terms of QB play, the college game is lightyears different than the NFL.

Yeah, Nature of the game. But sometimes I feel like it's done wrong...even though the salary cap plays role.

Without a salary cap we would have Tom Brady and Peyton Manning on a New York team that would be hoarding away/stock piling talent.

[rmcjacket23]

I feel like I'm the only one that wouldn't accept a wasted season beyond the coaches. I feel like we are still fighting for respect as a franchise.

I felt like we could have won the SB this yr and next to have been a dynasty! And then yall can't hate on the Ravens...and think of b-more as more than an episode of the wire.

Its not like the players are just going to start playing half-assed. Its just without a pretty good QB, you really don't have a prayer in this league.

 

You don't have to have a great QB to win, but you can't have a bad one. And the overwhelming majority of backup QBs in league history were "bad" when compared to the rest of the league, and that would almost certainly be the case for us.

[rmw10]

Its not like the players are just going to start playing half-assed. Its just without a pretty good QB, you really don't have a prayer in this league.

 

You don't have to have a great QB to win, but you can't have a bad one. And the overwhelming majority of backup QBs in league history were "bad" when compared to the rest of the league, and that would almost certainly be the case for us.

 

Exactly.  Backups are backups for a reason, when it comes to veterans of course.

[redlobster]

Wheres Marc Bulger when you need him ? :-)

[Tru11]

we can always give trent dilfer a call if we need to ....

[RaineV1]

The only way you get a backup capable of going all the way is if you pay a huge price to a recently let go starting quarterback. Which the Ravens have actually done before, giving Marc Bulger a 1 year, 1 million dollar contract. Aside from something like that though, there isn't much out there. You're better off with a mid to late round draft pick learning your system.

[Mt. Crushmore]

1.  Flacco has never missed a game

2.  Young backups are much cheaper than proven vets, allowing the cap space to be used on other, more important players 

3.  Proven vets are less likely to come to a place where the QB has failed to miss a game

[Purple Stampede]

I agree with some of you in taking a shot in the draft for a young QB that could grow with the team. Sometimes you can build a dynasty with an investment in a draft pick who is untested in the NFL. That being said, plenty of college players are amazed at the speed and size of the players in the big time.

[Bruce_Almty]

we can always give trent dilfer a call if we need to ....

I was thinking this guy name peyton manning may be coming available soon and we could get him for the veteran minimum.

[Moderator 3]

I was thinking this guy name peyton manning may be coming available soon and we could get him for the veteran minimum.

That made me burst out laughing.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

It's time for Favre to come back. 

[Guest I-70WestRaven]

It's time for Favre to come back. 

Shhhhh! Don't give him any ideas! LOL!!

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Shhhhh! Don't give him any ideas! LOL!!

 

Too late. He signed the contract. 

[paulhs94]

Did you guys forget about Keith Wenning? I think he could be a serviceable QB, especially with Marc 'QB Whisperer' Trestman as our OC/QB coach. Wenning showed promise during the preseason last year.