"DeflateGate" Update: Suspension Upheld! Brady Accepts 4 Game Ban.

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49 minutes ago, berad said:

Is he spending millions or is the NFLPA footing the bill? Who said anything about it being a logical decision, anyways?

I actually did like Brady, he was the underdog. Despite he penchant for diva behavior or other arrogance, he was a winner and essentially the prototype of the QB position.

Now, if he needs to cheat to get those results then what is he really? If he destroys his cell phones when he could have cleared his name, what is he really? When he pretends to not be able to feel the difference in ball pressure when any layman can, what is he?

The Steelers have been a bigger barrier to our success (although not recently) and I still view them as a bigger rival than the Patriots. The Bengals are a bigger barrier. We've done well against the Patriots, they probably have more animosity towards us.

1. Really doesn't matter, because the Unions ability to spend money is also directly financed by the players. Something tells me that Tom Brady, his legal team, and the NFLPA doesn't fit the mold of frequently making illogical decisions, especially when the people claiming they are illogical aren't really in a position to make that judgment (aka the fans/public).

2. You and I both know he hasn't been the "underdog" for at least a decade now. I haven't heard Tom Brady and the word "underdog" used in practically any context since about 2003. 

3. Depends on if you're actually naive enough to think he NEEDS to cheat to get those results. Somebody cheating and somebody needing to cheat are two completely different things. I don't think that anybody who has watched football long enough actually thinks that Tom NEEDS to cheat to win.

What does destroying his cell phone mean or telling lies mean? O I don't know, maybe that he's just not as great of a person as you think he is? Maybe he's just morally about the same as most people, who spend good portions of their life trying to justify and cover up their own mistakes. This is like asking what kind of a person cheats on his wife and then tries to cover it up? You already know the answer to that.

But then again, and I'm starting to think I'm in the minority on this one (which is mindblowing), I could care less what kind of a person he is. I don't care what kind of a person Joe Flacco is, Ray Rice is, or any Ravens players or any NFL player. I'll never know these people, and I really don't care to. 

They are entertainment for me. From my perspective, their purpose in life is to entertain me via their performance on the football field. If they are off doing blow and hooking up with strippers while their wife is home with their 8 kids, it matters nothing to me. Those people are a dime a dozen in this world. What matters to me is that those decisions don't effect the entertainment I get from watching them play.

4. I didn't say they were our biggest rival... I said they are often our biggest barrier to success. We haven't played the Bengals in the playoffs ever I believe, and we haven't lost to the Steelers in the playoffs in 6 years I believe. While we do perform well against them (at least comparable to most other teams), they've ended our season in 2 of our last 3 postseason trips... twice in the last 5 seasons. We've played them in the playoffs 4 of the last 7 years.

 

Edited July 15, 2016 by rmcjacket23

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4 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

 

lol.....You're jumping from place to place without any connection. Really no need to go any further with this.

I think the connection was blatantly obvious. If you're done, you're done, but its not from a lack of connection...

[JO_75]

We can officially end this thread and end this entire saga. Tom Brady has given up and will go ahead and serve his 4 game suspension to start the 2016 season. Tom Brady's statement is below...

“I’m very grateful for the overwhelming support I’ve received from Mr. Kraft, the Kraft family, coach Belichick, my coaches and teammates, the NFLPA, my agents, my loving family and most of all, our fans,” Brady wrote. “It has been a challenging 18 months and I have made the difficult decision to no longer proceed with the legal process. I’m going to work hard to be the best player I can be for the New England Patriots and I look forward to having the opportunity to return to the field this fall.”

 

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/07/15/tom-brady-gives-up-will-not-fight-nfl-to-the-supreme-court/

[Moderator 3]

About damn time!

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25 minutes ago, JO_75 said:

We can officially end this thread and end this entire saga. Tom Brady has given up and will go ahead and serve his 4 game suspension to start the 2016 season. Tom Brady's statement is below...

“I’m very grateful for the overwhelming support I’ve received from Mr. Kraft, the Kraft family, coach Belichick, my coaches and teammates, the NFLPA, my agents, my loving family and most of all, our fans,” Brady wrote. “It has been a challenging 18 months and I have made the difficult decision to no longer proceed with the legal process. I’m going to work hard to be the best player I can be for the New England Patriots and I look forward to having the opportunity to return to the field this fall.”

 

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/07/15/tom-brady-gives-up-will-not-fight-nfl-to-the-supreme-court/

Brady's out, but apparently, the NFLPA isn't... just yet...

While Tom Brady has accepted his four-game suspension, the NFL Players Association will still consider taking the case to the Supreme Court.

"We will continue to review all of our options and we reserve our rights to petition for cert to the Supreme Court," said the NFLPA in a statement released on Friday. 544 days of Deflategate were enough for Brady but the NFLPA isn't ready to throw in the towel. Despite the NFLPA's refusal to give up, fantasy owners should still prepare for Brady to miss the first four games of 2016.

Source: Adam Schefter on Twitter

Jul 15 - 1:37 PM

[berad]

1 hour ago, rmcjacket23 said:

1. Really doesn't matter, because the Unions ability to spend money is also directly financed by the players. Something tells me that Tom Brady, his legal team, and the NFLPA doesn't fit the mold of frequently making illogical decisions, especially when the people claiming they are illogical aren't really in a position to make that judgment (aka the fans/public).

2. You and I both know he hasn't been the "underdog" for at least a decade now. I haven't heard Tom Brady and the word "underdog" used in practically any context since about 2003. 

3. Depends on if you're actually naive enough to think he NEEDS to cheat to get those results. Somebody cheating and somebody needing to cheat are two completely different things. I don't think that anybody who has watched football long enough actually thinks that Tom NEEDS to cheat to win.

What does destroying his cell phone mean or telling lies mean? O I don't know, maybe that he's just not as great of a person as you think he is? Maybe he's just morally about the same as most people, who spend good portions of their life trying to justify and cover up their own mistakes. This is like asking what kind of a person cheats on his wife and then tries to cover it up? You already know the answer to that.

But then again, and I'm starting to think I'm in the minority on this one (which is mindblowing), I could care less what kind of a person he is. I don't care what kind of a person Joe Flacco is, Ray Rice is, or any Ravens players or any NFL player. I'll never know these people, and I really don't care to. 

They are entertainment for me. From my perspective, their purpose in life is to entertain me via their performance on the football field. If they are off doing blow and hooking up with strippers while their wife is home with their 8 kids, it matters nothing to me. Those people are a dime a dozen in this world. What matters to me is that those decisions don't effect the entertainment I get from watching them play.

4. I didn't say they were our biggest rival... I said they are often our biggest barrier to success. We haven't played the Bengals in the playoffs ever I believe, and we haven't lost to the Steelers in the playoffs in 6 years I believe. While we do perform well against them (at least comparable to most other teams), they've ended our season in 2 of our last 3 postseason trips... twice in the last 5 seasons. We've played them in the playoffs 4 of the last 7 years.

 

1. Ah, so you meant to say 'millions of Brady's and every other NFLPA members' combined union fees' when you said 'why is he spending millions'? I understand. I also didn't say it was necessarily illogical just that, in my opinion, his ego was a driving factor. Yes, I know, fans/public should be subservient to the all-knowing Tom Brady and NFLPA. Just offering an opinion.

2. He'll always be a sixth round pick who had to work for everything he got in the NFL. He may have reached the pinnacle a few times but he obviously carries that chip on his shoulder. You're right, recent events have changed some of his attitude and appearance (the cheating).

3. So he doesn't NEED to cheat yet still does? Not getting that... So he just enjoys cheating and/or is a poor sportsman? Lacks integrity? Oh, but the second paragraph you say he's just covering a "mistake"? Yes, quite the slip-up to tell the ball boys to deflate the footballs after a referee check and then reimburse them with signed memorabilia.

I don't particularly care what kind of person he is but his golden boy image is tarnished. Some people have a hard time accepting it. This is just the cherry on top of the whining and arrogance he's shown since ~2006-2007. For the record, again, I did like him back then but that doesn't matter to you, right?

4. Ah, so by 'success' you meant 'postseason success' - hard to answer your questions when you rephrase them after I post a response. All you wrote was true but the Patriots are a good team. Again, they probably dislike us more than we (maybe just specifically I) dislike them.

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6 minutes ago, berad said:

1. Ah, so you meant to say 'millions of Brady's and every other NFLPA members' combined union fees' when you said 'why is he spending millions'? I understand. I also didn't say it was necessarily illogical just that, in my opinion, his ego was a driving factor. Yes, I know, fans/public should be subservient to the all-knowing Tom Brady and NFLPA. Just offering an opinion.

2. He'll always be a sixth round pick who had to work for everything he got in the NFL. He may have reached the pinnacle a few times but he obviously carries that chip on his shoulder. You're right, recent events have changed some of his attitude and appearance (the cheating).

3. So he doesn't NEED to cheat yet still does? Not getting that... So he just enjoys cheating and/or is a poor sportsman? Lacks integrity? Oh, but the second paragraph you say he's just covering a "mistake"? Yes, quite the slip-up to tell the ball boys to deflate the footballs after a referee check and then reimburse them with signed memorabilia.

I don't particularly care what kind of person he is but his golden boy image is tarnished. Some people have a hard time accepting it. This is just the cherry on top of the whining and arrogance he's shown since ~2006-2007. For the record, again, I did like him back then but that doesn't matter to you, right?

4. Ah, so by 'success' you meant 'postseason success' - hard to answer your questions when you rephrase them after I post a response. All you wrote was true but the Patriots are a good team. Again, they probably dislike us more than we (maybe just specifically I) dislike them.

Yes, that's exactly right. He cheats, yet he doesn't need to. There's thousands of people in this world doing that at this very moment. Like literally right now.

I stole CDs from a Target when I was a teenager. I didn't need to do this, and I could have easily afforded to pay for them. I chose to do it because I wanted the added benefit of doing it without paying for it. 

This isn't some revolutionary concept that is beyond understanding. Frankly, I'm stunned that any adult doesn't understand this concept, because many have done it. If you actually took inventory of your life in totality, there's a good chance you'd find this is the case in your own personal life. Poor sportsman? Possibly, people probably already thought that he was anyway. Lacks integrity? Certainly possible. Wouldn't be the first time now would it? Its the fans and the public that assigns him the "golden boy" label, not Brady. So it would seem odd that we give him that label and then act appalled that we have to take it away because he didn't turn out to be the great guy we thought he was (despite the fact that we really never knew him or anything about him?).

And yes, that would be a mistake. Are you under the impression that a mistake is something that is done involuntarily or accidentally? People make voluntary mistakes on a daily basis. Again, nothing new here. You can intentionally do something and then subsequently realize its a mistake, or you could do something while in the moment realizing its a mistake (what do you think cheating on your spouse is?). Given the punishment he's receiving now, I feel quite certain he would consider this to be a mistake.

[berad]

5 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Yes, that's exactly right. He cheats, yet he doesn't need to. There's thousands of people in this world doing that at this very moment. Like literally right now.

I stole CDs from a Target when I was a teenager. I didn't need to do this, and I could have easily afforded to pay for them. I chose to do it because I wanted the added benefit of doing it without paying for it. 

This isn't some revolutionary concept that is beyond understanding. Frankly, I'm stunned that any adult doesn't understand this concept, because many have done it. If you actually took inventory of your life in totality, there's a good chance you'd find this is the case in your own personal life. Poor sportsman? Possibly, people probably already thought that he was anyway. Lacks integrity? Certainly possible. Wouldn't be the first time now would it? Its the fans and the public that assigns him the "golden boy" label, not Brady. So it would seem odd that we give him that label and then act appalled that we have to take it away because he didn't turn out to be the great guy we thought he was (despite the fact that we really never knew him or anything about him?).

And yes, that would be a mistake. Are you under the impression that a mistake is something that is done involuntarily or accidentally? People make voluntary mistakes on a daily basis. Again, nothing new here. You can intentionally do something and then subsequently realize its a mistake, or you could do something while in the moment realizing its a mistake (what do you think cheating on your spouse is?). Given the punishment he's receiving now, I feel quite certain he would consider this to be a mistake.

So you're agreeing with every thing I'm saying? You didn't refute any of it. I offered suggestions for his behavior and you agreed.

On a side note, glad to see that Brady has dropped his portion of any appeals. Took his medicine. 4 games it is.

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2 minutes ago, berad said:

So you're agreeing with every thing I'm saying? You didn't refute any of it. I offered suggestions for his behavior and you agreed.

On a side note, glad to see that Brady has dropped his portion of any appeals. Took his medicine. 4 games it is.

Pretty much yes, though except for the part about you not understanding why somebody would cheat without needing to do it. That one was quite baffling to me.

That and the sort of hilarious notion that fans created the "golden boy" label for him and now seem to be in utter shock out of this idea that his integrity and morals is in fact just on par with the rest of us.

Too bad we didn't get them in the first four games. My biggest fear is of "angry" Tom Brady who returns, decimates the league, and makes everybody wish that we didn't make him so angry.

[Grapple Raven]

Well it appears to be over unless the NFLPA continues this which would be really asinine.  I see this article as a ploy to change Brady's public image by putting the impetus on the NFLPA to take it over on his behalf, if they indeed do use the petition for a Writ of Certiorari.   How clever, I was wondering how long it would take them to make this move, lol.  The NFLPA reserves the right to pursue the case for Brady on his behalf, while Brady looks like "the good guy" by ending this hell he perpetrated. Hopefully the NFLPA chooses not to exercise that option.

And the PR campaign to restore Brady's image begins...complete with the little stats page, lol.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/patriots-quarterback-brady-says-will-end-deflategate-legal-fight/ar-BBunqow?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp

 

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1 hour ago, Grapple Raven said:

Well it appears to be over unless the NFLPA continues this which would be really asinine.  I see this article as a ploy to change Brady's public image by putting the impetus on the NFLPA to take it over on his behalf, if they indeed do use the petition for a Writ of Certiorari.   How clever, I was wondering how long it would take them to make this move, lol.  The NFLPA reserves the right to pursue the case for Brady on his behalf, while Brady looks like "the good guy" by ending this hell he perpetrated. Hopefully the NFLPA chooses not to exercise that option.

And the PR campaign to restore Brady's image begins...complete with the little stats page, lol.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/patriots-quarterback-brady-says-will-end-deflategate-legal-fight/ar-BBunqow?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp

 

You do realize the NFLPA has literally nothing to lose by continuing this fight right? Actually, it would be really, really, really asinine to give up now.

In fact, they actually gain quite a bit by losing this battle also. Remember, there's another CBA coming right around the corner...

[K-Dog]

So, does that mean we are done here?

[MTRavensFan]

11 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

But then again, and I'm starting to think I'm in the minority on this one (which is mindblowing), I could care less what kind of a person he is. I don't care what kind of a person Joe Flacco is, Ray Rice is, or any Ravens players or any NFL player. I'll never know these people, and I really don't care to. 

Don't let it blow your mind too much.

Yes, you definitely are in the minority, and that's a good thing. Most of us have trouble stomaching rooting for scumbags and cheaters, it doesn't matter how good they are at playing games.

The narcissism of the rest of your post is what is truly mind-blowing.

[Grapple Raven]

10 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

You do realize the NFLPA has literally nothing to lose by continuing this fight right? Actually, it would be really, really, really asinine to give up now.

In fact, they actually gain quite a bit by losing this battle also. Remember, there's another CBA coming right around the corner...

Again, just which side of this argument are you on?  Or could it be that you just want to draw attention to yourself and argue for arguments sake?

[Grapple Raven]

2 hours ago, K-Dog said:

So, does that mean we are done here?

After the decision by the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals to deny an "en banc" hearing, it was clear that Brady would not be granted a stay to play in the first four games of the season.   When a case isn't chosen to be reviewed at the U.S. Supreme Court level that essentially is saying that they uphold the decision of the lower court, which means he would have to serve the suspension.  Brady realized this was the end to his hope of starting the season on the field and chose to end this hell he perpetrated. 

If the case was granted a review by the U.S. Supreme Court on an appeal by the NFLPA, (which is improbable at best) and the NFLPA lost the case, he would still have to serve the 4 game suspension probably during the playoffs...realizing this he quit because he couldn't get what has always been his desire all along, which was to play on the field. 

The NFLPA can reserve the right to a Writ of Certiorari, which basically asks the U.S. Supreme Court to have the records moved up to them from the lower court for a review of the case.  At the point of the appeal to the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, Brady was essentially removed from the proceedings as this is now a case involving arbitration of a collective bargaining agreement which was the NFLPA's argument to the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, which was denied.  Therefore, the U.S. Supreme Court is not likely to grant the Writ of Certiorari based off the decision of the Appellate Court, plus the fact that the court system has a long and storied history of staying out of labor disputes.  Anything from here on out will essentially be NFLPA related IF they choose to pursue it, and it is a long shot at best.  So, yes I would say we can stick a fork in it for now. lol

 

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5 hours ago, Grapple Raven said:

Again, just which side of this argument are you on?  Or could it be that you just want to draw attention to yourself and argue for arguments sake?

Sorry to inject common sense into this place.

Again...what does the NFLPA have to lose by continuing to fight? It's clearly not about Brady nor has it bee for years. What should they just quit because fans think they should, despite fans not understanding the purpose?

 

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6 hours ago, MTRavensFan said:

Don't let it blow your mind too much.

Yes, you definitely are in the minority, and that's a good thing. Most of us have trouble stomaching rooting for scumbags and cheaters, it doesn't matter how good they are at playing games.

The narcissism of the rest of your post is what is truly mind-blowing.

LOL, nice try. Nobodies asking you to root for these guys. Fans root or don't root for football players for a myriad of reasons, the least of which being football.

Can call it narcissism all you want...I'd call it a lack of perspective from the majority. If I spent my time caring about the morality of complete strangers on the TV, I'd have to quit my job because I wouldn't have time for anything else.

Perspective folks. Perspective.

[Moderator 2]

 The 'Patriot Way ' mantra that they believe in and think they are better then the rest of us and oh so proud of.  The  Steelers have the 'Steeler Way' and we have  'Play Like a Raven' , the Steelers took some hits when Ben was rutting and a few other things, Ravens took a hit with Ray Rice and God forbid Ray Lewis BUT The Steelers rehabbed Ben got rid of some potheads and wife beaters and the Ravens cut Rice But had him come speak, cut Cody the dog abuser and Ray Lewis was punished for obstructing justice and has kept his nose clean. Ray Lewis will stay with us as long as 'roids and the iron curtain.

Now the Pats, they cheated against the Rams to slow the 'greatest show on turf' , pull the obscure rule out to beat us, the Brady  lost fans when he kicked Ed Reed in his groin in 2013. At this point in his career cheating and dirty plays will be Tommy Boys Legacy.  Will he go into the HOF, sure because he is still a hell of a QB without this other BS but the 'Patriot Way' will have taken a hit and the refs seem to watch him closer now.