"DeflateGate" Update: Suspension Upheld! Brady Accepts 4 Game Ban.

[rmcjacket23]

1 hour ago, Tank 92 said:

Point being it's a waste of time, period.  

It started being a waste of time about 48 hours after the alleged incident happened. Its the most disappointing thing of this whole process.

[JO_75]

5 hours ago, Grapple Raven said:

I doubt he will be granted the petition by Ginsburg due to the fact that it was the full appeals bench that upheld the suspension, which seems to indicate that the court system is through with this case as it sees it as having no merit.

 

In short... They are on to the next court case.

[Willbacker]

We should all donate a box of Kleenex to Brady.

[Grapple Raven]

16 hours ago, Willbacker said:

We should all donate a box of Kleenex to Brady.

More like a cryin' towel, lol. 

[Tank 92]

22 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

It started being a waste of time about 48 hours after the alleged incident happened. Its the most disappointing thing of this whole process.

Had brady admitted the obvious it would have been over and forgotten quickly. The lying and cover up is what spurred the need for the ensuing mess and will be what is remembered.

Edited July 14, 2016 by Tank 92

[rmcjacket23]

46 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

Had brady admitted the obvious it would have been over and forgotten quickly. The lying and cover up is what spurred the need for the ensuing mess and will be what is remembered.

Ehh, not really.

For starters, we pretty much know for a fact that Tom Brady believes he's innocent, so that's part of the reason he's continued to pursue. He's probably not innocent, but he certainly believes he is. If you take that into account, you'd have to ask yourself if you were in his shoes, and you believed you were innocent, would you just roll over and take the punishment or would you fight to the end? Really has nothing to lose at this point, nor does the NFLPA. Unfortunately for him and fortunately for basically everybody else, its probably over.

Ten years from now, people will be laughing at the notion that a Billion dollar business went to court with a Million dollar player over some deflated footballs. The "lying and cover up" would be in probably the second or third sentence.

Plus, at the end of the day, the lying and cover up will be completely dwarfed by the almost unprecedented level of accomplishment the player will have achieved by the time he retires. And somehow I think Tom knows this as well...

Edited July 14, 2016 by rmcjacket23

[Tank 92]

4 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Ehh, not really.

For starters, we pretty much know for a fact that Tom Brady believes he's innocent, so that's part of the reason he's continued to pursue.

You are kidding. Right?  brady believes he is innocent?  You don't actually believe that.

[rmcjacket23]

1 minute ago, Tank 92 said:

You are kidding. Right?  brady believes he is innocent?  You don't actually believe that.

No actually. Got literally dozens of media reports from writers and people that are in his camp that have adamantly said that he thinks hes innocent.

Frankly, I'm stunned that you don't know this. I mean literally everything you've seen for the last few years indicates that he thinks hes innocent. 

[Tank 92]

6 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

No actually. Got literally dozens of media reports from writers and people that are in his camp that have adamantly said that he thinks hes innocent.

Frankly, I'm stunned that you don't know this. I mean literally everything you've seen for the last few years indicates that he thinks hes innocent. 

LMAO!  I gotta believe you are yanking my chain here! 

[berad]

I think SNL nailed Brady's self-proclaimed 'innocence' on the head back when it happened

[Willbacker]

48 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

You are kidding. Right?  brady believes he is innocent?  You don't actually believe that.

Maybe he does. I actually believe they went after the wrong guy.

Nah I'm sure he knew also.

[rmcjacket23]

1 hour ago, Tank 92 said:

LMAO!  I gotta believe you are yanking my chain here! 

Only logical explanation when you really think about it...

Why spend millions trying to defend your reputation when you know that you can't repair it no matter what the outcome is?

[berad]

14 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Only logical explanation when you really think about it...

Why spend millions trying to defend your reputation when you know that you can't repair it no matter what the outcome is?

Ego?

[K-Dog]

3 hours ago, Tank 92 said:

You are kidding. Right?  brady believes he is innocent?  You don't actually believe that.

He is that arrogant.  I could believe it. 

[Tank 92]

2 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Only logical explanation when you really think about it...

Why spend millions trying to defend your reputation when you know that you can't repair it no matter what the outcome is?

How about the fact that he is a narcissistic scumbag ego maniac?  That seems like the much more viable explanation. 

[rmcjacket23]

1 hour ago, Tank 92 said:

How about the fact that he is a narcissistic scumbag ego maniac?  That seems like the much more viable explanation. 

How does this help his ego again?

[Grapple Raven]

5 hours ago, Tank 92 said:

You are kidding. Right?  brady believes he is innocent?  You don't actually believe that.

Brady didn't believe it either, lol.  Who else when asked point blank in a press conference are you a cheater responds saying and I quote: “I don’t believe so.”  Talk about parsing language.

 

 

 

 

 

[Inqui]

6 hours ago, Tank 92 said:

Had brady admitted the obvious it would have been over and forgotten quickly. The lying and cover up is what spurred the need for the ensuing mess and will be what is remembered.

That's the thing - if the Cheetahs had just come out and said something along the lines of: "We like it when the balls are softer because it's easier to catch and hold and we try to keep the air pressure at the lower end of the legal limits, but this time it got a bit away from us and slipped below the threshold. We're sorry and we will endeavour to improve our procedures and use this as a learning experience" and all that crap (and fired the ballboy, like they did anyway iirc) then they probably would have been given a fine and it would have been a minor pre-SB story like Ray's deer antler spray stuff or Peyton's HGH dealer and everyone would have forgotten about it come the draft.

It's the standard procedure any of the 31 other teams would have used, and if memory serves that's what's happened with at least two other teams to date. Instead they insisted there was a league-wide witch hunt and demanded an apology, buried evidence when an inquiry was imminent, commissioned their own "independent" scientific studies and tried to take the NFL to court. It's their own fault the story's gotten this big as far as I'm concerned.

[allblackraven]

4 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Only logical explanation when you really think about it...

Why spend millions trying to defend your reputation when you know that you can't repair it no matter what the outcome is?

Because up to that point his and his football club's reputation was impeccable?

Give me a break, your persistent defending of these crooks is laughable and makes you sound stupid.

Edited July 15, 2016 by allblackraven

[K-Dog]

I wonder if this will hit 100 pages before it goes away for good.

[52520Andrew]

3 hours ago, K-Dog said:

I wonder if this will hit 100 pages before it goes away for good.

Oh it will never truly go away at this point

[K-Dog]

4 hours ago, 52520Andrew said:

Oh it will never truly go away at this point

Terrible. 

[rmcjacket23]

11 hours ago, allblackraven said:

Because up to that point his and his football club's reputation was impeccable?

Give me a break, your persistent defending of these crooks is laughable and makes you sound stupid.

Ahh, so now the reputation of an entire franchise is the exact same reputation of the individual player?

Boy these slopes just keep getting slipperier and slipperier, especially when considering the team WE root for. 

Let objectivity be your friends folks.

Edited July 15, 2016 by rmcjacket23

[berad]

12 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

How does this help his ego again?

Because his ego is wrapped up in his image. He's the golden boy, or at least he loves that people think of him that way.

[rmcjacket23]

Just now, berad said:

Because his ego is wrapped up in his image. He's the golden boy, or at least he loves that people think of him that way.

But didn't you already acknowledge that people stopped thinking of him that way about a week after the incident occurred?

What outcome can he achieve where that image is restored?

That's the question. Why is he spending millions to repair an image that he can't repair with any outcome?

Now, granted, I don't really buy your argument anyway, because I think he's smart enough to know that his image is directly tied to his legacy, which dwarfs this by a wide margin.

[rmcjacket23]

43 minutes ago, berad said:

Because his ego is wrapped up in his image. He's the golden boy, or at least he loves that people think of him that way.

Or perhaps the better way to look at it is this...

Would you say that your opinion of the situation largely represents the "majority" (or at least you think it represents the majority)? If so, wouldn't you agree that the situation has largely NOT changed your perception of Brady one bit?

I mean did you view him as the "golden boy" before this incident? Isn't it true that we as Ravens fans have largely disliked him for years, due to a combination of our perception that he whines on the field, begs for flags, acts in a "diva" like manner, and is also absurdly good at what he does and his team has often been the barrier to our success?

[Tank 92]

3 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Or perhaps the better way to look at it is this...

Would you say that your opinion of the situation largely represents the "majority" (or at least you think it represents the majority)? If so, wouldn't you agree that the situation has largely NOT changed your perception of Brady one bit?

I mean did you view him as the "golden boy" before this incident? Isn't it true that we as Ravens fans have largely disliked him for years, due to a combination of our perception that he whines on the field, begs for flags, acts in a "diva" like manner, and is also absurdly good at what he does and his team has often been the barrier to our success?

lol......This is exactly the way a NE fan would think, but I'm guessing there are few others that would look at it this way. 

There are numerous other players that play for hated rivals that are "absurdly good" that get my and most other people's respect. The disdain and lack of respect for brady stems from some of the things you mention along with a myriad of other "qualities" that I and many others don't care for. It has nothing to do with being a Ravens fan or him playing for NE.  The guy is, and always has been a scum bag and this latest episode of abhorrent behavior just fits his profile.   

[berad]

2 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

But didn't you already acknowledge that people stopped thinking of him that way about a week after the incident occurred?

What outcome can he achieve where that image is restored?

That's the question. Why is he spending millions to repair an image that he can't repair with any outcome?

Now, granted, I don't really buy your argument anyway, because I think he's smart enough to know that his image is directly tied to his legacy, which dwarfs this by a wide margin.

Is he spending millions or is the NFLPA footing the bill? Who said anything about it being a logical decision, anyways?

1 hour ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Or perhaps the better way to look at it is this...

Would you say that your opinion of the situation largely represents the "majority" (or at least you think it represents the majority)? If so, wouldn't you agree that the situation has largely NOT changed your perception of Brady one bit?

I mean did you view him as the "golden boy" before this incident? Isn't it true that we as Ravens fans have largely disliked him for years, due to a combination of our perception that he whines on the field, begs for flags, acts in a "diva" like manner, and is also absurdly good at what he does and his team has often been the barrier to our success?

I actually did like Brady, he was the underdog. Despite he penchant for diva behavior or other arrogance, he was a winner and essentially the prototype of the QB position.

Now, if he needs to cheat to get those results then what is he really? If he destroys his cell phones when he could have cleared his name, what is he really? When he pretends to not be able to feel the difference in ball pressure when any layman can, what is he?

The Steelers have been a bigger barrier to our success (although not recently) and I still view them as a bigger rival than the Patriots. The Bengals are a bigger barrier. We've done well against the Patriots, they probably have more animosity towards us.

[rmcjacket23]

1 hour ago, Tank 92 said:

lol......This is exactly the way a NE fan would think, but I'm guessing there are few others that would look at it this way. 

There are numerous other players that play for hated rivals that are "absurdly good" that get my and most other people's respect. The disdain and lack of respect for brady stems from some the things you mention along with a myriad of other "qualities" that I and many others don't care for. It has nothing to do with being a Ravens fan or him playing for NE.  The guy is, and always has been a scum bag and this latest episode of abhorrent behavior just fits his profile.   

No a NE fan would scream that Tom is innocent and there is no proof, which I don't believe but is certainly debatable.

So you agree that your perception of him as a person hasn't really been altered at all from this? So if you believe that most other people think the same way, doesn't that kind of rule out the ego argument?

[Tank 92]

4 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

No a NE fan would scream that Tom is innocent and there is no proof, which I don't believe but is certainly debatable.

So you agree that your perception of him as a person hasn't really been altered at all from this? So if you believe that most other people think the same way, doesn't that kind of rule out the ego argument?

 

lol.....You're jumping from place to place without any connection. Really no need to go any further with this.