"DeflateGate" Update: Suspension Upheld! Brady Accepts 4 Game Ban.

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6 minutes ago, i82much said:

Ok, how about a 4 game suspension just for being a princess?  

Sure, a HOF princess. I'd love to have a hundred princesses if all they did was play in a half dozen SBs and dominate the league for 15 years.

That's certainly worth a month's vacation.

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14 minutes ago, K-Dog said:

Don't let your love for Tom Brady  get in the way of seeing the facts.

Arguing over the facts of the case at this point is useless. Pretty much any credible thing we think is "fact" has been refuted by another something just as credible.

The argument over guilt vs innocence has long since faded into irrelevance.

[berad]

22 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Sure, a HOF princess. I'd love to have a hundred princesses if all they did was play in a half dozen SBs and dominate the league for 15 years.

That's certainly worth a month's vacation.

What does fawning over his accomplishments have to do with the application of his punishment for breaking the rules? And his subsequent non-cooperation?

 

[berad]

1 hour ago, kato said:

A fair and unbiased opinion from the Washington Post:

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/tom-bradys-lawyers-missed-the-point-his-innocence/2016/04/25/fc31fb7c-0b16-11e6-bfa1-4efa856caf2a_story.html

 

Don't let the facts buoy your hatred for Tom.

Read the most-liked comments on the article, they provide much better counterpoints than points offered by the author.

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3 minutes ago, berad said:

What does fawning over his accomplishments have to do with the application of his punishment for breaking the rules? And his subsequent non-cooperation?

 

Nothing. What does him being a "princess" have anything to do with the application of punishment for breaking the rules?

[berad]

Just now, rmcjacket23 said:

Nothing. What does him being a "princess" have anything to do with the application of punishment for breaking the rules?

Was said in jest. I assume.

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Just now, berad said:

Was said in jest. I assume.

OK.....

[K-Dog]

Yeah. I am bored with this thread.

I am gonna go look at the cat thread.

At least that makes sense .

[Steve0x]

Mr Brady should shut up,,Take the suspension like a man. And when he comes back after his suspension apologize and take responsibilty like a man and then announce your retirement at the end.  

[i82much]

8 minutes ago, berad said:

Was said in jest. I assume.

Negative, Ghost Rider.  Tom Brady is in fact an actual Princess, in addition to having the world's largest My Little Pony collection.  

[berad]

1 minute ago, i82much said:

Negative, Ghost Rider.  Tom Brady is in fact an actual Princess, in addition to having the world's largest My Little Pony collection.  

My, my these accusations are very serious.

He is not a Princess because he is not the daughter of a King or Queen. But he is, in fact, a SB MVP and married to a super model and blahblahblah.

Let's face some reality: Brady told the equipment guys to deflate the balls - probably because he couldn't handle the regulation size, maybe his hands are a little small, maybe he's getting old - and paid them off with signed memorabilia.

The NFL found out one way or another (zomg conspiracy) and held an investigation. Brady and the Patriots obfuscated the investigation, holding back people from interviews, feigning ignorance about knowing the equipment guys, "the deflator" being a nickname for a guy who lost weight, destroying cell phones, etc, etc.

The league handed down the punishments. Kraft whined then accepted it. Brady is still in the whining phase.

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5 minutes ago, berad said:

My, my these accusations are very serious.

He is not a Princess because he is not the daughter of a King or Queen. But he is, in fact, a SB MVP and married to a super model and blahblahblah.

Let's face some reality: Brady told the equipment guys to deflate the balls - probably because he couldn't handle the regulation size, maybe his hands are a little small, maybe he's getting old - and paid them off with signed memorabilia.

The NFL found out one way or another (zomg conspiracy) and held an investigation. Brady and the Patriots obfuscated the investigation, holding back people from interviews, feigning ignorance about knowing the equipment guys, "the deflator" being a nickname for a guy who lost weight, destroying cell phones, etc, etc.

The league handed down the punishments. Kraft whined then accepted it. Brady is still in the whining phase.

And if only we knew for certain that any of this actually happened...

[berad]

Just now, rmcjacket23 said:

And if only we knew for certain that any of this actually happened...

Wells report doesn't work for you?

[kato]

1 hour ago, Tank 92 said:

Written by Sally Jenkins who is and has been a Brady supporter?  lol   sorry there sport, hardly fair or unbiased.

Obstructing an investigation, destroying evidence, blatantly lying in interviews, etc..  You should look at the facts and see the light. It really looks foolish to maintain that he wasn't/isn't guilty.

 

Since when does supporting someone's argument make them either unfair or biased?  She is a Washington Post Journalist, not a New England Journalist, who happens to look at the facts of the case and finds the NFL lacking.

Blatantly lying?  Where are the facts again?  Unless you have some kind of insider information, you can't possibly assert that Brady has lied. 

Obstruction?  Tell me "the Fappening" (look it up) isn't enough to convince you that a celebrity's phone isn't safe, especially with the NFL and their past leaks.  Besides, Wells told Brady he didn't need the phone; What need was there to destroy it other than protecting his own privacy?  If I tell my wife I don't want the last slice of cake, I can't complain later if I decide I want it and it's now gone.

It really looks foolish when you're blinded by jealousy/hatred.

 

 

 

[Tank 92]

25 minutes ago, kato said:

Since when does supporting someone's argument make them either unfair or biased?  She is a Washington Post Journalist, not a New England Journalist, who happens to look at the facts of the case and finds the NFL lacking.

Blatantly lying?  Where are the facts again?  Unless you have some kind of insider information, you can't possibly assert that Brady has lied. 

Obstruction?  Tell me "the Fappening" (look it up) isn't enough to convince you that a celebrity's phone isn't safe, especially with the NFL and their past leaks.  Besides, Wells told Brady he didn't need the phone; What need was there to destroy it other than protecting his own privacy?  If I tell my wife I don't want the last slice of cake, I can't complain later if I decide I want it and it's now gone.

It really looks foolish when you're blinded by jealousy/hatred.

 

 

 

 

Sally Jenkins lives in NY, and has supported Brady in this fiasco from the beginning.  This isn't the first article she has written on the subject. Maybe you should scour the internet for the dozens of other articles written by unbiased sports writers around the country that paint a much different, and more realistic picture.

I'm sure you watched Brady's pressers. It doesn't take a savant or psychologist to know that he was lying.  get real.

lol   No interest in reading any info that tries to rationalize a reason for him destroying evidence. On the day it was requested to be presented?  wow  You can't really be that naive.

Time to face reality and realize that the scumbag will continue to be exposed for what he is.......... a scumbag.

 

 

Edited April 27, 2016 by Tank 92

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35 minutes ago, berad said:

Wells report doesn't work for you?

LOL, umm, no. Does that actually work for anybody?

I thought we were waaaaaaay past that being considered a useful source of information?

[berad]

Just now, rmcjacket23 said:

LOL, umm, no. Does that actually work for anybody?

I thought we were waaaaaaay past that being considered a useful source of information?

Based on?

[rmcjacket23]

Just now, berad said:

Based on?

Well, for starters, practically all of the "science" reported in the report was ripped to shreds and thoroughly debunked by practically anybody who actually had a background in science (and if you believe them, anybody who passed a middle school physics class). And that's ignoring the fact that the company they chose to produce the "science" behind the report who has an industry reputation as a company who provides "science" for whatever outcome their client wishes to obtain, and once even published a finding that second-hand smoke doesn't cause cancer. 

You've got the report using ESPN reporting as a reference for the "balls were deflated 2 PSI too low" claim that was ultimately found to be erroneous, and then of course, this false notion of "impartiality", which would be borderline impossible, given past business relationships with the league.

But mostly, Exponent kind of hung them out to dry for the most part. 

 

[berad]

7 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Well, for starters, practically all of the "science" reported in the report was ripped to shreds and thoroughly debunked by practically anybody who actually had a background in science (and if you believe them, anybody who passed a middle school physics class). And that's ignoring the fact that the company they chose to produce the "science" behind the report who has an industry reputation as a company who provides "science" for whatever outcome their client wishes to obtain, and once even published a finding that second-hand smoke doesn't cause cancer. 

You've got the report using ESPN reporting as a reference for the "balls were deflated 2 PSI too low" claim that was ultimately found to be erroneous, and then of course, this false notion of "impartiality", which would be borderline impossible, given past business relationships with the league.

But mostly, Exponent kind of hung them out to dry for the most part. 

 

Referencing the Ideal Gas Law? What does such a law have to say when it's dealing with a sealed rubber bladder as an obstacle between these pressure adjustments? If that were the case, though, wouldn't all balls in freezing temperatures become underflated? Keep in mind it was 50-degrees during the Patriots/Colts game.

If you don't believe me, you can ask the company that manufactures the balls - http://www.si.com/nfl/2015/01/26/deflategate-bill-belichick-patriots-explanation-wilson-bs

It provided the actual measurements for the balls, too. Hanging on to the Chris Mortenson report doesn't matter.

None of that refutes the hiding of evidence part, either.

[Moderator 3]

Please don't feed the trolls.  That just attracts more, like rodents.  

[Tank 92]

Just now, Moderator 3 said:

Please don't feed the trolls.  That just attracts more, like rodents.  

yep, my bad.

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Just now, berad said:

Referencing the Ideal Gas Law? What does such a law have to say when it's dealing with a sealed rubber bladder as an obstacle between these pressure adjustments? If that were the case, though, wouldn't all balls in freezing temperatures become underflated? Keep in mind it was 50-degrees during the Patriots/Colts game.

If you don't believe me, you can ask the company that manufactures the balls - http://www.si.com/nfl/2015/01/26/deflategate-bill-belichick-patriots-explanation-wilson-bs

It provided the actual measurements for the balls, too. Hanging on to the Chris Mortenson report doesn't matter.

None of that refutes the hiding of evidence part, either.

Its not supposed to refute the hiding of evidence. That's not what credibility is about. The issue is that, in the public's eyes, there's literally no such thing as selective credibility.

You don't get the luxury of having half of what you wrote credible, and the other half non-credible, and then say you are credible. Just doesn't cut it. In a perfect world, maybe. I can say with certainty that you personally, as am I, are 100% guilty of this. The very first thing anybody looks at when they read ANY report is who is the source. Doesn't an OpEd, with plenty of factual information and valid points, written by a Boston newspaper columnist that thinks Brady is innocent get immediately written off... not having anything to do with what was actually written? It happened all of 10 minutes ago on this very board by a Pats poster, and I'm guilty of it too, because I don't want to hear what a Boston columnist thinks about this whole thing.

So when the NFL hires somebody to do a report that the World knows has multiple different business relationships with the NFL, and that firm hires a "science" firm that is looked down to by people in the industry because of their consistency in formulating a solution first and making the evidence fit that, you've got yourself a major problem.

And frankly, it never had to be a problem. Its actually the simplest of due diligence and PR solutions ever. You simply don't hire that firm. You hire a company that people at least perceive as having the ability to be objective.

So how can anybody take what the report said seriously if they already know that there was a much better way to handle the report? Even Judge Berman thought this was a moronic decision.

[berad]

Yes, the ever-righteous Judge Richard Berman. His opinion keeps getting brought up although it does not matter according to the appellate court. Why is his name still being brought up? Why not the infinitely-more relevant Judge Barrington D. Parker and Judge Denny Chin - both on the three-judge panel that upheld Brady's punishment? From them:

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/15353950/tom-brady-new-england-patriots-four-game-suspension-deflategate-reinstated-appeals-court

 

Quote

 

At oral arguments in March, appeals judges seemed skeptical of arguments made on Brady's behalf by the NFLPA.

Circuit Judge Denny Chin said evidence of ball tampering was "compelling, if not overwhelming" and that there was evidence that Brady "knew about it, consented to it, encouraged it."

...

Parker said the cellphone destruction raised the stakes "from air in a football to compromising the integrity of a proceeding that the commissioner had convened."

"So why couldn't the commissioner suspend Mr. Brady for that conduct alone?" he asked. Parker added: "With all due respect, Mr. Brady's explanation of that made no sense whatsoever."

 

That's all I'll say on the subject because that's all that needs to be said. That's what it is. Until that changes, all the prognosticating opinions in the world matter naught.

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15 minutes ago, berad said:

Yes, the ever-righteous Judge Richard Berman. His opinion keeps getting brought up although it does not matter according to the appellate court. Why is his name still being brought up? Why not the infinitely-more relevant Judge Barrington D. Parker and Judge Denny Chin - both on the three-judge panel that upheld Brady's punishment? From them:

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/15353950/tom-brady-new-england-patriots-four-game-suspension-deflategate-reinstated-appeals-court

 

That's all I'll say on the subject because that's all that needs to be said. That's what it is. Until that changes, all the prognosticating opinions in the world matter naught.

Huh... I noticed that you didn't reference Judge Katzmann in your little attempt there... why is that? Is it because you don't think his opinion is relevant (kind of bold for an internet fanboard guy to be dismissing the opinion of a Federal judge in a legal case isn't it?) or is it because it didn't fit the narrative you were trying present? Its gotta be one of the two (or maybe both). I mean I was only as so bold as to question the credibility of a simple lawyer... I wasn't going to presume to pretend like a dissenting opinion from a Federal judge (or in this case, two) was completely worthless.

What happens if this goes back to another panel or even higher? Do you think they are just going to quickly dismiss the opinion of Federal judges as swiftly as you did?

I mean its getting comical at this stage... if it wasn't already. 

Ever classy stance on the "thats all that needs to be said" attempt. If only that's what you were saying when Judge Berman gave an opinion you didn't want to hear. 

How convenient.

Edited April 27, 2016 by rmcjacket23

[berad]

Just now, rmcjacket23 said:

Huh... I noticed that you didn't reference Judge Katzmann in your little attempt there... why is that? Is it because you don't think his opinion is relevant (kind of bold for an internet fanboard guy to be dismissing the opinion of a Federal judge in a legal case isn't it?) or is it because it didn't fit the narrative you were trying present? Its gotta be one of the two (or maybe both). I mean I was only as so bold as to question the credibility of a simple lawyer... I wasn't going to presume to pretend like a dissenting opinion from a Federal judge (or in this case, two) was completely worthless.

What happens if this goes back to another panel or even higher? Do you think they are just going to quickly dismiss the opinion of Federal judges as swiftly as you did?

I mean its getting comical at this stage... if it wasn't already. 

His opinion isn't as relevant because he was overruled. And, IF, it goes to a higher court, we'll see. I'll give you a Katzmann quote if you are interested.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2016/03/03/tom-brady-deflategate-appeal/TnrgVNVYDpa6n4VtBBJr2I/story.html

Chin took issue with Kessler’s argument that the Uniform and Equipment Policy applies to game balls and should have constituted only a fine for Brady. Chin said that the policy cited applies only to equipment worn by a player, not to the actual footballs.

Parker said Kessler’s argument about “notice” — that Brady had no idea he could be suspended for his conduct — “strikes me as hyper-technical.”

“Let’s suppose a mistake was made and the footballs weren’t deflated, and then a star player lies in his testimony and destroyed his phone,” Parker said. “An adjudicator might conclude the phone had incriminating evidence. Why couldn’t the commissioner suspend Brady for that conduct alone?”

Even Katzmann took issue with Kessler’s contention that the only appropriate punishment would have been a fine.

“Your challenge is to find where in the CBA does it say if you tamper with game balls and then obstruct, where does it say the only punishment is a fine?” Katzmann said.

At one point, Kessler seemed to grow frustrated with the judges’ intense line of questioning.

“I sense that you all are influenced by your version of the facts,” Kessler told the judges.

“We were influenced by the briefs that you wrote,” Parker answered.

[ALPHA]

Tom Brady is a scumbag.

The end.

[Grapple Raven]

1 hour ago, berad said:

His opinion isn't as relevant because he was overruled. And, IF, it goes to a higher court, we'll see. I'll give you a Katzmann quote if you are interested.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2016/03/03/tom-brady-deflategate-appeal/TnrgVNVYDpa6n4VtBBJr2I/story.html

 

 

Well stated Berad!

[Steve0x]

1 hour ago, ALPHA said:

Tom Brady is a scumbag.

The end.

Yep. And so is this scumbag 

Edited April 27, 2016 by Steve0x

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7 hours ago, Tank 92 said:

7 hours ago, Tank 92 said:

 

Sally Jenkins lives in NY, and has supported Brady in this fiasco from the beginning.  This isn't the first article she has written on the subject. Maybe you should scour the internet for the dozens of other articles written by unbiased sports writers around the country that paint a much different, and more realistic picture.

I'm sure you watched Brady's pressers. It doesn't take a savant or psychologist to know that he was lying.  get real.

lol   No interest in reading any info that tries to rationalize a reason for him destroying evidence. On the day it was requested to be presented?  wow  You can't really be that naive.

Time to face reality and realize that the scumbag will continue to be exposed for what he is.......... a scumbag.

 

 

 

 

What the forum loves about Tank 92 aka WholelotofHaloti is that he has a succinct way of distilling the essentials to illustrate the Truth. 

Tom Br*dy is many things, chief among them is scumbag deluxe.

If the facts were not enough to convince the disinclined, Tom Br*dy's demeanor throughout left no doubt about the extent of his involvement.

Bonds, Armstrong, Br*dy

 

 

Edited April 28, 2016 by Danny D

[Tank 92]

I wonder if everyone had a good time Thursday night at tommie's draft party.    lol