"DeflateGate" Update: Suspension Upheld! Brady Accepts 4 Game Ban.

[K-Dog]

I'm not banking on any future impact in any year...

Tom Brady will be suspended from the NFL from March until August.

That'll show him.

[The Mom Gene]

Just like I predicted. Will have zero impact on this season.

 

It really doesn't matter...  Even if... and that's if...  they go to the Super Bowl, both last year's trophy, and this year's appearance will be marred in controversy.  Last years for obvious reasons, and this year, the rhetoric is going to ramp up right around that time, again...  simply because the appeal hearing will be publicized more.

 

And as far as MVP???  He ain't getting it this year either.  You're gonna have Cam Newton or Carson Palmer up there instead.  Especially if the Panthers go undefeated.

[Tank 92]

On ‎12‎/‎25‎/‎2015 at 4:41 PM, Tank 92 said:

So isn't it about time to suspend this scum bag?   lol

 

One month away to the appeal hearing.   Does he now get his suspension? I hold out hope they hang em high!    lol. scum bag

Edited February 4, 2016 by Tank 92

[K-Dog]

39 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

 

One month away to the appeal hearing.   Does he now get his suspension? I hold out hope they hang me high!    lol. scum bag

He will be suspended until August. 

[Steve0x]

Who cares? Season is over for pats. They did not return to the super bowl thats all that matters.

[Tank 92]

5 hours ago, K-Dog said:

He will be suspended until August. 

 

That would fit the theme of the saga.

Gotta believe a panel of three judges that will review are able to see he deserves meaningful punishment, not necessarily for his part for deflating footballs, but for lying and being a total scum bag.  It's pitiful that there are youngsters in NE that idolize his kind of behavior. 

[rmcjacket23]

I just can't wait until these judges laugh this whole thing out of a courtroom. That way, these threads will die and some perspective will be added to the masses.

[berad]

Patriots still got docked a 1st round pick - that's not coming back. Kraft had his chance to appeal but took his medicine.

[allblackraven]

3 hours ago, berad said:

Patriots still got docked a 1st round pick - that's not coming back. Kraft had his chance to appeal but took his medicine.

That's what bothers me the most. There clearly was a consequence for what they did (lost draft selection - 1st round at that) but nobody from the organization got singled out. Organization didn't instruct ball boys on required air pressure, we all know who did.

Karma will haunt him until the end of his career. Not going to see the Super Bowl ever again.

[berad]

51 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

That's what bothers me the most. There clearly was a consequence for what they did (lost draft selection - 1st round at that) but nobody from the organization got singled out. Organization didn't instruct ball boys on required air pressure, we all know who did.

Karma will haunt him until the end of his career. Not going to see the Super Bowl ever again.

They went rogue... scary how close SNL got to Brady's cover story. A layman can tell the different feel in a couple PSI up or down in a football. Brady pretended he was clueless.

http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/patriots-press-conference-cold-open/2842425

[rmcjacket23]

On 2/5/2016 at 3:25 PM, allblackraven said:

That's what bothers me the most. There clearly was a consequence for what they did (lost draft selection - 1st round at that) but nobody from the organization got singled out. Organization didn't instruct ball boys on required air pressure, we all know who did.

Karma will haunt him until the end of his career. Not going to see the Super Bowl ever again.

Lol, well they already both got 4 rings and 6 trips, so it really doesn't matter if they get more after nearly two decades together.

Won't have an ounce of effect on their unanimous selections to Canton and likely not-debatable inclusion in the GOAT discussion among HCs and QBs.

If thats "karma" (which isn't real), that's some darn good "karma"

[allblackraven]

7 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Lol, well they already both got 4 rings and 6 trips, so it really doesn't matter if they get more after nearly two decades together.

Won't have an ounce of effect on their unanimous selections to Canton and likely not-debatable inclusion in the GOAT discussion among HCs and QBs.

If thats "karma" (which isn't real), that's some darn good "karma"

They only have asterisks as far as I'm concerned

[rmcjacket23]

35 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

They only have asterisks as far as I'm concerned

Cool, but asterisks are little stars that nobody looks at.

People ignore asterisks. I could put an asterisk next to every person who's ever played if I personally wanted to, and it would mean nothing.

[berad]

On 2/11/2016 at 9:21 PM, rmcjacket23 said:

Cool, but asterisks are little stars that nobody looks at.

People ignore asterisks. I could put an asterisk next to every person who's ever played if I personally wanted to, and it would mean nothing.

Official NFL sanctions mean something, though.

Not going to take away their rings but it obviously tarnishes the achievement. Why do you think Patriots fans get so up in arms when someone brings it up?

[ludy51]

On 2/11/2016 at 9:21 PM, rmcjacket23 said:

Cool, but asterisks are little stars that nobody looks at.

People ignore asterisks. I could put an asterisk next to every person who's ever played if I personally wanted to, and it would mean nothing.

People won't ignore them if everyone starts to put the astrisks up

[rmcjacket23]

2 hours ago, ludy51 said:

People won't ignore them if everyone starts to put the astrisks up

Sure they will. There's plenty of other sports who have shown that "asterisks" mean nothing.

[rmcjacket23]

On 2/12/2016 at 8:39 AM, berad said:

Official NFL sanctions mean something, though.

Not going to take away their rings but it obviously tarnishes the achievement. Why do you think Patriots fans get so up in arms when someone brings it up?

Do they? Remember, there's legendary, all time great players who have faced official NFL sanctions you aren't even aware of...

And Patriots fans react for the same reason Ravens fans react to Ray Lewis as a perceived murderer...because being a fan makes you emotionally attached to somebody and thus defend them, regardless of facts, outcomes, etc.

Tis the downside of fandom...

Edited February 13, 2016 by rmcjacket23

[Tank 92]

17 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Do they? Remember, there's legendary, all time great players who have faced official NFL sanctions you aren't even aware of...

 

lol..... I think you may be speaking of long ago prior to the existence of things called the Internet and social media. Somebody farts today and tomorrow everyone is aware of it. 

 

[rmcjacket23]

2 hours ago, Tank 92 said:

lol..... I think you may be speaking of long ago prior to the existence of things called the Internet and social media. Somebody farts today and tomorrow everyone is aware of it. 

 

I mean that's great but it's also irrelevant. This is a sport that doesn't care one bit about steroid usage...it's a bit of a stretch to think they'll care about ball deflation in the long term.

It's a topic now because it's still somewhat fresh and Ravens fans hate Tom Brady. The latter is unaffected by Deflategate anyway.

Once people move on with their lives and time takes over, it likely won't even be discussed by objective fans come Canton time.

And let's face it...all of our eggs are sort of in this "appeal of an appeal" basket, because without a victory in court and an actual punishment, there really is no case. It's just speculation and gossip after that, again, much like the Ray Lewis incident. 

[Tank 92]

3 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

I mean that's great but it's also irrelevant. This is a sport that doesn't care one bit about steroid usage...it's a bit of a stretch to think they'll care about ball deflation in the long term.

It's a topic now because it's still somewhat fresh and Ravens fans hate Tom Brady. The latter is unaffected by Deflategate anyway.

Once people move on with their lives and time takes over, it likely won't even be discussed by objective fans come Canton time.

And let's face it...all of our eggs are sort of in this "appeal of an appeal" basket, because without a victory in court and an actual punishment, there really is no case. It's just speculation and gossip after that, again, much like the Ray Lewis incident. 

 

Really? You think everyone other than NE fans think it is speculation and gossip?  Ray Charles, and objective fans could see brady was lying and covering up something, and that is the crime, not deflating footballs. "All of the eggs" are in the basket of a franchise that has been cheating and lying about it for years, They promote and sustain scum bag behavior like that of brady.  That was going on a long time prior to any Ravens/Pats rivalry. 

As a point of reference it seems most folks respect a hated rival like the Steelers/Ben.  The disdain for ne and brady, at least for me, has zero to do with 'defalategate"(other than the lying and cover up) and any losses or rivalry. They are a classless org with a counterfeit, scumbag QB. But that's just my opinion.. lol 

 

Edited February 14, 2016 by Tank 92

[rmcjacket23]

8 hours ago, Tank 92 said:

 

Really? You think everyone other than NE fans think it is speculation and gossip?  Ray Charles, and objective fans could see brady was lying and covering up something, and that is the crime, not deflating footballs. "All of the eggs" are in the basket of a franchise that has been cheating and lying about it for years, They promote and sustain scum bag behavior like that of brady.  That was going on a long time prior to any Ravens/Pats rivalry. 

As a point of reference it seems most folks respect a hated rival like the Steelers/Ben.  The disdain for ne and brady, at least for me, has zero to do with 'defalategate"(other than the lying and cover up) and any losses or rivalry. They are a classless org with a counterfeit, scumbag QB. But that's just my opinion.. lol 

 

Cool, but at the end of the day, I can't look myself in the mirror and pretend to be so disgusted and offended by somebody for quite literally just lying. I guess I'm just one of the few with perspective who doesn't prop up athletes on TV as something bigger than a human being, but I'm aware I'm in the minority there. So be it.

I'm able to separate organization from player when it comes to reputation and perception, and again I recognize I'm in the minority there. I can't apply the Patriots organizational perception of cheating over a long period to individual players without at least having some evidence of doing so, and thus I dont. I view Brady quite differently than I view the Patriots as a whole, which is what some people struggle with.

I would think, more than most organizations, that this one and in particular it's fans would be more understanding of how an organization is perceived as promoting and sustaining "scumbag behavior" when it comes to multiple incidents that certainly warrants criticism in that regard.

There are certainly no shortage of objective fans who view this organization VERY different than you and I do, and as such, we'd probably all be better off throwing a lot less stones...

[MTRavensFan]

"just lying"...

I find that pretty "offensive", and not because I put athletes on a pedestal, but because I find it to be "disgusting" behavior for any human being.

[rmcjacket23]

18 minutes ago, MTRavensFan said:

"just lying"...

I find that pretty "offensive", and not because I put athletes on a pedestal, but because I find it to be "disgusting" behavior for any human being.

That's great, but I don't burn at the stake every person who I ever knew that lied. Wouldn't say much about me as a person if I did...

I think there's definitely been some serious perspective lost in this whole ordeal. I get that the morality card is always the easiest to play when nobody is looking back at you, but it's not my thing.

 

[Tank 92]

10 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Cool, but at the end of the day, I can't look myself in the mirror and pretend to be so disgusted and offended by somebody for quite literally just lying. I guess I'm just one of the few with perspective who doesn't prop up athletes on TV as something bigger than a human being, but I'm aware I'm in the minority there. So be it.

I'm able to separate organization from player when it comes to reputation and perception, and again I recognize I'm in the minority there. I can't apply the Patriots organizational perception of cheating over a long period to individual players without at least having some evidence of doing so, and thus I dont. I view Brady quite differently than I view the Patriots as a whole, which is what some people struggle with.

I would think, more than most organizations, that this one and in particular it's fans would be more understanding of how an organization is perceived as promoting and sustaining "scumbag behavior" when it comes to multiple incidents that certainly warrants criticism in that regard.

There are certainly no shortage of objective fans who view this organization VERY different than you and I do, and as such, we'd probably all be better off throwing a lot less stones...

"prop up athletes on TV" ?  Wow!  The continual representation of some sort of unique perspective is comical. You really should step off of the pedestal before you fall. LMAO!

Sure, everyone makes mistakes in life, but admission and remorse rather than denial and deception are the actions taken to repair one's integrity. That's no different for a celebrity, or Joe Blow. Sorry, but I have no respect for someone that chooses to continue abhorrent behavior after being exposed. That lack of respect has zero to do with their notoriety or social status. 

It seems you confuse being "objective" with ignoring facts. I have no interest in wasting the time here in stating the obvious about the past transgressions of the pats and how wrong you are in trying to draw analogies with the Ravens' org,  because frankly they just don't exist. 

[rmcjacket23]

1 hour ago, Tank 92 said:

"prop up athletes on TV" ?  Wow!  The continual representation of some sort of unique perspective is comical. You really should step off of the pedestal before you fall. LMAO!

Sure, everyone makes mistakes in life, but admission and remorse rather than denial and deception are the actions taken to repair one's integrity. That's no different for a celebrity, or Joe Blow. Sorry, but I have no respect for someone that chooses to continue abhorrent behavior after being exposed. That lack of respect has zero to do with their notoriety or social status. 

It seems you confuse being "objective" with ignoring facts. I have no interest in wasting the time here in stating the obvious about the past transgressions of the pats and how wrong you are in trying to draw analogies with the Ravens' org,  because frankly they just don't exist. 

1. Well we pretty much know that throughout history integrity can easily be rebuilt without admission and remorse...that list is quite long. Time takes care of that.

2. The analogies exist quite obviously..it's up to you if you choose to ignore that. There are plenty of people in the public who question the integrity of the Pats organization, and there are certainly plenty of people in the public who question the integrity of the Ravens organization for various transgressions (one of which is very recemt).

That much is certainly not up for debate.

[Tank 92]

21 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

1. Well we pretty much know that throughout history integrity can easily be rebuilt without admission and remorse...that list is quite long. Time takes care of that.

2. The analogies exist quite obviously..it's up to you if you choose to ignore that. There are plenty of people in the public who question the integrity of the Pats organization, and there are certainly plenty of people in the public who question the integrity of the Ravens organization for various transgressions (one of which is very recemt).

That much is certainly not up for debate.

1. lol  Time can't rebuild integrity. It can allow for a new group that is ignorant of the past to be fooled, but without admission or remorse the likelihood is that once a scumbag, always a scumbag.

2. You continue to confuse public relations with cheating and the integrity of the game. I don't know of any instance where the Ravens have been accused of cheating. I guess an example of what you are trying to use as one comparison is the screw up in handling the RR situation. If you recall they readily admitted to that and apologized.  Ever hear any thing resembling an apology or admission of guilt from the pats? anyone, anytime?  Stop with the comparisons, they don't exist.  No debate there.

[rmcjacket23]

36 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

1. lol  Time can't rebuild integrity. It can allow for a new group that is ignorant of the past to be fooled, but without admission or remorse the likelihood is that once a scumbag, always a scumbag.

2. You continue to confuse public relations with cheating and the integrity of the game. I don't know of any instance where the Ravens have been accused of cheating. I guess an example of what you are trying to use as one comparison is the screw up in handling the RR situation. If you recall they readily admitted to that and apologized.  Ever hear any thing resembling an apology or admission of guilt from the pats? anyone, anytime?  Stop with the comparisons, they don't exist.  No debate there.

1. LOL, no it has nothing to do with a different group of people. I'm talking quite literally the same group of people changing stances over time with no facts changing. It happens frequently, and you already know that.

2. I said nothing of cheating...I said integrity. Cheating and integrity aren't the same thing. Ray Rice isn't the only incident where this organizations integrity has been questioned.

[Moderator 3]

Enough already.  Everybody needs to get off their high horse.  This thread is about deflategate, not other teams.  Unless you have an actual update on the subject, let it rest.

[Tank 92]

 

Encouraging(for some) news.

 

http://pro32.ap.org/article/nfl-asks-court-restore-bradys-deflategate-suspension

[JO_75]

3 hours ago, Tank 92 said:

 

Encouraging(for some) news.

 

http://pro32.ap.org/article/nfl-asks-court-restore-bradys-deflategate-suspension

Just read about it on PFT, finally some sense is being made in this case. "Routinely destroys his phone", yeah everyone does that so it's so common....finally someone questioned destroying the phone. Wonder if Brady, and the Patriots will be asked about why they let the two equipment managers after everything started coming out about their involvement.