"DeflateGate" Update: Suspension Upheld! Brady Accepts 4 Game Ban.

[cursona pirate]

That one Bucs QB from the 2003 SuperBowl said they did it. Also Leinhart said every QB does it except Kurt Warner cause he wears gloves. 

[lgcs27288]

That one Bucs QB from the 2003 SuperBowl said they did it. Also Leinhart said every QB does it except Kurt Warner cause he wears gloves. 

A couple of things.

 

1. Because "everyone" does it, doesnt make it right. It is a rule to have it within a certain pressure. The NFL is partly to blame for even allowing this to happen. To fix it, they should be in charge of all the balls from now on.

 

2. Do those "other QBs" keep it in the confines of the rules? I think its 12.5 psi to 13.5 psi or something similar to that. The Patriots had it at the 10.5 -11 psi range.

Edited January 21, 2015 by lgcs27288

[JO_75]

mike freeman  @mikefreemanNFL

Gerry Austin, longtime referee, says halftime Pats-Colts footballs brought in, checked at half. Colts footballs still legal. Pats were not.

 

 

 

 

That should clear up the Patriots fans' excuse that it was because of the cold weather.

 

That right there is all the proof they need that they did it. If the Colts footballs were still legal but the Patriots footballs weren't, then case over. Take away draft picks, suspend Bill for 1 season like they did Payton. Fine Kraft, and I mean give them a BIG fine for this.

 

Also, anyone think Goodell could go all BCS on them and ban them from the playoffs for one season? 

[RaineV1]

I doubt the NFL acts quickly enough for any decision to effect the upcoming Superbowl. However, this being the Patriots' second major scandal during a postseason run, the punishment needs to be harsh. I'd say, give them the same punishment the Saints got for the bounty scandal. Take their top draft pick (maybe their top two draft picks) and suspend Belichick for all of next season.

[Inqui]

I doubt the NFL acts quickly enough for any decision to effect the upcoming Superbowl. However, this being the Patriots' second major scandal during a postseason run, the punishment needs to be harsh. I'd say, give them the same punishment the Saints got for the bounty scandal. Take their top draft pick (maybe their top two draft picks) and suspend Belichick for all of next season.

And make them trade Brady for Geno Smith. That'll strike fear into anyone looking to break the rules.

[baroquenspirit]

You have to wonder, why all but 1 were deflated? Maybe to help cover it up?

They saved one for the kicker. Kickers like the ball inflated as much as possible. This shows how many people were in on it. 

[baroquenspirit]

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/deflate-gate-report--11-of-patriots--12-game-footballs-were-under-inflated-043620937.html

 

I'm just frustrated.  After watchin the fiascos of games last weekend, I feel the Ravens could've beaten the both the Colts and Seahawks for title #3.  The recent report that the Patriots likely tampered weith their balls for the game with Indy is disturbing.  It's like they just can't stop cheating.  The link provided also goes on to say that the Ravens coaching staff also suspected this during the Ravens-Patriots game before Indy got blown out.

 

Improperly inflated balls might not have saved Indy in that beatdown of a game, but a closer game like Baltimore's could make all the difference.  

 

Honestly, are the refs going to have to start carrying balls to the games now?  And should the Pats be punished for this?  Video-gate, illegal line ups and now this?  I think ol' Billy-fairplay needs another $500k fine or fork over some draft picks.

Have to disagree with you here. In fact, I think the Ravens should be thankful the Hawks blew their comeback over the Falcons two years ago….

[allblackraven]

And make them trade Brady for Geno Smith. That'll strike fear into anyone looking to break the rules.

 

I'd rather send Brady to Browns for a 1 year AFC North treatment

[Moderator 3]

They saved one for the kicker. Kickers like the ball inflated as much as possible. This shows how many people were in on it.

Kickers use a whole different batch of balls...the ones with the K on them.

[RavensAllTheWay]

Just wondering...and maybe I'm totally ignorant and missing something, but what advantage does deflating balls provide?  If both teams are using the same ball at the same time, what's the advantage?  Again, maybe I'm missing something blatantly obvious

Edited January 22, 2015 by RavensAllTheWay

[allblackraven]

Just wondering...and maybe I'm totally ignorant and missing something, but what advantage does deflating balls provide?  If both teams are using the same ball at the same time, what's the advantage?  Again, maybe I'm missing something blatantly obvious

 Teams use different balls.

[RavensAllTheWay]

 Teams use different balls.

 

So when one team possesses the ball, they use their own. When the other team possesses the ball, they use their own?

Edited January 22, 2015 by RavensAllTheWay

[allblackraven]

So when one team possesses the ball, they use their own. When the other team possesses the ball, they use their own?

 

Basically, yes.

 

There is complete rundown on the way the balls are handled here:

 

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/159490/faq-nfl-investigating-wheter-patriots-deflated-game-balls

[DMH_in_WA]

So when one team possesses the ball, they use their own. When the other team possesses the ball, they use their own?

Yea ... the NFL allows teams to prepare the balls the way that their QB likes it .. but they have to be within regulations when they are done. So the home teams brings 24 balls .. 12 starting balls (these are usually what are used) and then 12 alternate balls they can bring into the game as balls are lost or removed from game. The visitors bring their 12 with them prepared the way they like (again, within regulations). And then the kicking balls come sealed from the manufacturer.

Under-inflated balls are easier for a QB to grip which increases his control (especially in the rain and cold). You sacrifice a little bit of velocity on throws, but minimal. They are also easier to catch, but more importantly, they are much easier to tuck and hold onto .. especially for running backs.

The new interesting wrinkle I think is the report that it was the Ravens who tipped off the Colts that the Patriots were under-inflating balls.

[Pats]

Well firstly the nfl is stupid in the first place for not just having both teams share one set. Secondly supposeably the balls were checked at halftime when we were 17-7 up and brady had 1 pick. Assuming the officials had done their jobs and replaced the balls then it actually made the patriots better making this even more confusingly silly. Thirdly not sure why bill would feel the need to do this when it didn't make us play better and we have smashed luck badly every time before the game.

And fourthly I have a bit of a hard time believing that it had any impact on this game not just because of blount, but because brady didn't throw or land any big passes in this game at all. Just a few dink and dunks and average yard gainers, it would be more plausible with the ravens game when he went deep quite a bit.

Richard sherman doesn't care about stuff like this so why should I? 

[hawkprey]

Well firstly the nfl is stupid in the first place for not just having both teams share one set. Secondly supposeably the balls were checked at halftime when we were 17-7 up and brady had 1 pick. Assuming the officials had done their jobs and replaced the balls then it actually made the patriots better making this even more confusingly silly. Thirdly not sure why bill would feel the need to do this when it didn't make us play better and we have smashed luck badly every time before the game.

And fourthly I have a bit of a hard time believing that it had any impact on this game not just because of blount, but because brady didn't throw or land any big passes in this game at all. Just a few dink and dunks and average yard gainers, it would be more plausible with the ravens game when he went deep quite a bit.

Richard sherman doesn't care about stuff like this so why should I? 

1. They don't share balls so you can't sabotage them when the other team is on offense.

2. Clearly if they were underinflated on purpose, the purpose would be that they benefit the offense, regardless of the effect you believe it had looking at one half versus the other.

3. The balls would have been deflated after being checked by the officials but before the game started, hence before the Pats had a comfortable lead.

4. "Dink and dunk" passes are easier to drop because there's less time to react and the ball has more of its speed, and the underinflated balls would be easier to catch and get a grip on in cold weather. Tom has already stated (and I'm sure most QBs would agree) that underinflated is easier to throw.

[Pats]

1. They don't share balls so you can't sabotage them when the other team is on offense.

2. Clearly if they were underinflated on purpose, the purpose would be that they benefit the offense, regardless of the effect you believe it had looking at one half versus the other.

3. The balls would have been deflated after being checked by the officials but before the game started, hence before the Pats had a comfortable lead.

4. "Dink and dunk" passes are easier to drop because there's less time to react and the ball has more of its speed, and the underinflated balls would be easier to catch and get a grip on in cold weather. Tom has already stated (and I'm sure most QBs would agree) that underinflated is easier to throw.

On point 1, i'm saying that it's stupid for the teams to have separate balls in the first place. This is the only sport I have ever heard having such a thing it doesn't happen in rugby or soccer or baseball.

On point 2 I don't disagree with that what i'm saying is it is confusing and didn't benefit anyone regardless of purpose and was unnecessary.

On point 3 10 points wasn't that great of a lead and we weren't playing that well

 

And on point 4 wouldn't it make sense that throwing a long ball deflated is the optimal use of deflation and not dink and dunks that don't need any?.

Also if the balls are easier to catch then wouldn't that be worse for new englands defense to pick someone off or catch a rebound?

This is the last i'll be commenting on this matter because I hate getting drawn into things like this that are trivial and overused in the media for weeks to come. I wanna enjoy what the seattle and the LOB ar esaying prior to the superbowl and vice versa with new england.

[DMH_in_WA]

And on point 4 wouldn't it make sense that throwing a long ball deflated is the optimal use of deflation and not dink and dunks that don't need any?.

Actually, the opposite on long balls. Momentum = Mass * velocity .... the lighter the ball, the lower the momentum; the slower it will travel to the receiver. The difference in mass though will be negligible .. you're probably talking less than a tenth of a second difference on long passes.

I think that's what most people just don't understand about all this. No one is saying the Patriots aren't a good team. No one is saying they wouldn't have beaten the Colts. What I think most are saying is, why even do it? You are that good .. why tarnish it with this kind of crap? There was no need for them to seek a competitive advantage by cheating. But they did it anyway. It's almost like they can't help themselves.

And then it begs the question, did they do it against the Ravens (which I am assuming the Ravens thought something of it since they're the ones who reportedly tipped off the Colts)? That was by no means a blowout and the Patriots won that by the skin of their teeth. Who else did they do this to? And then it opens the question, what else are they doing that they haven't been caught at yet?

It's just a bad look all around.

[Pats]

Actually, the opposite on long balls. Momentum = Mass * velocity .... the lighter the ball, the lower the momentum; the slower it will travel to the receiver. The difference in mass though will be negligible .. you're probably talking less than a tenth of a second difference on long passes.

I think that's what most people just don't understand about all this. No one is saying the Patriots aren't a good team. No one is saying they wouldn't have beaten the Colts. What I think most are saying is, why even do it? You are that good .. why tarnish it with this kind of crap? There was no need for them to seek a competitive advantage by cheating. But they did it anyway. It's almost like they can't help themselves.

And then it begs the question, did they do it against the Ravens (which I am assuming the Ravens thought something of it since they're the ones who reportedly tipped off the Colts)? That was by no means a blowout and the Patriots won that by the skin of their teeth. Who else did they do this to? And then it opens the question, what else are they doing that they haven't been caught at yet?

It's just a bad look all around.

I know I said I would make the last post the last on the subject but john harbaugh said the balls were fine for that game which was a million times tougher. None of this makes sense at all.

[shawn ny]

In light of the Patriots ball deflating situation, I think the NFL should strip the Patriots of the AFC championship and let the Ravens and Colts play this weekend for the title.  This is what I think about when bored at work. 

[allblackraven]

I know I said I would make the last post the last on the subject but john harbaugh said the balls were fine for that game which was a million times tougher. None of this makes sense at all.

 

It kind of doesn't but it reopens some serious questions about the NE success over the years. This is not the first time they've been caught and everybody is now entitled to question what they might have done over the years that went through without anybody catching it.

 

It also makes me wonder whether they actually are as good as most people think they are. I mean if they are not confident enough in their own quality as a team and have to resort to all sorts of crap to gain unfair advantage, why would I believe anything different?

 

You need to look at this from the repeated breaking of the rules perspective, not from how trivial or not the advantage might have been in a blowout game vs Colts.

Edited January 22, 2015 by allblackraven

[drdoub]

Ha logical but far fetched. No way the league changes the teams in the Super Bowl.

Most likely the league will take away draft pick or picks and belichick will be suspended for a year as well as the Super Bowl.

[lgcs27288]

On point 1, i'm saying that it's stupid for the teams to have separate balls in the first place. This is the only sport I have ever heard having such a thing it doesn't happen in rugby or soccer or baseball.

On point 2 I don't disagree with that what i'm saying is it is confusing and didn't benefit anyone regardless of purpose and was unnecessary.

On point 3 10 points wasn't that great of a lead and we weren't playing that well

 

And on point 4 wouldn't it make sense that throwing a long ball deflated is the optimal use of deflation and not dink and dunks that don't need any?.

Also if the balls are easier to catch then wouldn't that be worse for new englands defense to pick someone off or catch a rebound?

This is the last i'll be commenting on this matter because I hate getting drawn into things like this that are trivial and overused in the media for weeks to come. I wanna enjoy what the seattle and the LOB ar esaying prior to the superbowl and vice versa with new england.

Brunell and Bus discussed this on NFL Live. Brunell said he could easily grip the ball better and could easily get another 10 yards more on passes because he could control the ball more. Bus said while carrying the ball, it would be tucked in to his arm better, making it harder to cause a fumble. Given the conditions of the game, I could see why they would do this, but that is just speculation at this point.

 

On a couple of shows on ESPN, they showed a close up on a deflated ball compared to regular balls and over inflated balls. You could clearly see the difference of the balls as they held it.

 

Not sure what you mean for New England's defense as they would be catching Indy's regular inflated balls. They wouldnt be able to adjust air pressure in those. 

 

Why do we care what Richard Sherman thinks about it? Harbs was just giving us PR talk and letting everything unfold privately.

[baroquenspirit]

Kickers use a whole different batch of balls...the ones with the K on them.

I was actually just trying to be funny…however, I did not know kickers used a whole separate set of balls. Thanks for the info, wise one!   Learn something new every day! 

[K-Dog]

That's the insane part.

They replaced the balls at half time. After half time all the balls were with in regulation and Tom STILL tore it up.

So why bother? Why take such a chance? The risk vs. reward on that is WAY out of wack.

Aftet spy-gate, Mr. Kraft asked Billicheck this.

"On a scale of one to one hunderd, how much did this help you? "

Billicheck responded " maybe a one "

Mr. Kraft said " you are an idiot "

I understand "every little bit counts" but the risk vs. reward on this is just not worth it.

[K-Dog]

The Super Bowl will remain untouched in every way.

Including Billicheck coaching the patriots.

[I AM LEGEND]

Interesting point just made on ESPN..

People are so quick to assume That this was to benefit the QB more than anything...

But as many other ex and current players have stated is that it makes the balls easier to hold on to. Equating to less fumbles.

Don't forget the patriots coughed up the ball like 3 times against us the prior week. We just weren't fortunate enough to get any of them.had one of Those ended in our possession we could probably still be playing this week..

That might've been enough to get BB on board for doing this....IF they hadn't been doing it prior like some reports state.

[DMH_in_WA]

But as many other ex and current players have stated is that it makes the balls easier to hold on to. Equating to less fumbles.

And this is why stuff like this puts your organization under a cloud. Because you say that about fumbles and it makes me wonder and then I go to ESPN stats and I see that the New England Patriots in 2014 are ranked 31st in rushing fumbles with 1 fumble in the entire season (and it wasn't even a lost fumble) and it makes you wonder.

[Ravenseconbeast]

Well firstly the nfl is stupid in the first place for not just having both teams share one set. Secondly supposeably the balls were checked at halftime when we were 17-7 up and brady had 1 pick. Assuming the officials had done their jobs and replaced the balls then it actually made the patriots better making this even more confusingly silly. Thirdly not sure why bill would feel the need to do this when it didn't make us play better and we have smashed luck badly every time before the game.

And fourthly I have a bit of a hard time believing that it had any impact on this game not just because of blount, but because brady didn't throw or land any big passes in this game at all. Just a few dink and dunks and average yard gainers, it would be more plausible with the ravens game when he went deep quite a bit.

Richard sherman doesn't care about stuff like this so why should I?

You Dont think this is the first time pats done this do you?

I think its a routine pats have been doing for a while. They just happen to be caught now.

[TheRavenouseD2008]

You Dont think this is the first time pats done this do you?

I think its a routine pats have been doing for a while. They just happen to be caught now.

Tom Bradys recent rant about it ..... I like a deflated ball ...... they use the gronk spike to Doctor it according to him ..... guess the fall guy is Gronk ...........