"DeflateGate" Update: Suspension Upheld! Brady Accepts 4 Game Ban.

[ratedr]

Yeah, I was done, but things come up. I didn't think I'm "trolling." If you think I'm a troll, your definition of a troll must be pretty low. I'm actually posting in the Seahawks forum, just as I've done for every Pats playoff competitor. I don't get you guys. Even the Colts forum gave Patriots fans some love. You guys are a whole other story. But I'm no troll.

Not sure why you need love from us. You'll fit in better on the Pats forum where they're accusing our coach of paying off a ballboy to let out some air (and NOT joking about it).

[JO_75]

Watching Total Access and they asked how the Patriots can stop Lynch? My first response....

 

"Inflate the ball properly to ensure they can make him fumble" LOL.

[IceDevilHH81]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2343523-robert-kraft-on-deflategate-top-comments-twitter-reaction-on-patriots-scandal

 

R.Kraft wants a apology if the nfl can`t prove something! 

[DomMcRaven]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2343523-robert-kraft-on-deflategate-top-comments-twitter-reaction-on-patriots-scandal

 

R.Kraft wants a apology if the nfl can`t prove something! 

Is his BFF Goodell going to give the "apology" or nah?

[A Fish Called Yanda]

Is his BFF Goodell going to give the "apology" or nah?

 

This is a win-win situation in my book now.

 

Either the Pats get found guilty of doing something, and then who knows what happens.  Or the Pats get found not guilty, NFL gets forced to apologize to the Pats (especially given all of the leaks that have been coming out from sources inside the NFL) and I think this might be the nail in the coffin for poor Goodell.

Edited January 27, 2015 by A Fish Called Yanda

[IceDevilHH81]

Just found this two pages about T. Bradys body language and a analyze of his answers during his interview:

 

http://accuratebodylanguage.com/2015/01/25/accurate-body-language-tells-all-did-patriots-quarterback-tom-brady-lie-or-tell-the-truth-when-asked-when-and-how-did-you-alter-the-balls/

 

http://statement-analysis.blogspot.de/2015/01/statement-analysis-of-tom-brady-press.html

 

I find it very interesting!   

Edited January 27, 2015 by IceDevilHH81

[JO_75]

The kid is getting big bucks to take the fall and claim Indy payed him to make the pats look bad.   [/speculation]

 

Apparently video shows him going into the bathroom with two bags of footballs. One for the Patriots and one for the Colts. He was in there for 90 seconds apparently according to the tape. So within 90 seconds he deflated 11 of the 12 Patriots footballs? To do it that fast he would have had a lot of practice doing so. That would back up reports of this happening for years, and how he can do so in take pressure out of 11 footballs in 90 seconds. Which would also explain why the Colts footballs stayed the same legal pressure. Since he NEVER took 2 PSI out of their footballs. 

Edited January 27, 2015 by JO_75

[ratedr]

Don't think a 90 sec video means much honestly.

[IceDevilHH81]

Mhhh even if he get`s money… how much will it be … enugh if he gets sued – maybe from different persons not just the nfl. I don`t think he can live in Boston any longer … will it be enugh to be a villain for a lot of people … not only in NE? I would offer him a deal … NFL could pay him… he would be a hero in other states if he comes clean and tells everybody who ordered him to fix the Footballs!

[IceDevilHH81]

90 sec is a short time … but it`s not impossible if you are trained to do it…  maybe he had help already waiting in the room…could be a second bag ... if the reff crew always uses the same sighn like the one reff who always uses a L for his daughter or wife ...

Edited January 27, 2015 by IceDevilHH81

[ratedr]

In news that will surely delight Patriots fans, guess who's gonna be a guest analyst on NBC providing pregame coverage?

 

http://www.si.com/nfl/2015/01/26/super-bowl-xlix-nbc-john-harbaugh-seahawks-patriots?xid=si_nfl

 

LOL

[allblackraven]

In news that will surely delight Patriots fans, guess who's gonna be a guest analyst on NBC providing pregame coverage?

 

http://www.si.com/nfl/2015/01/26/super-bowl-xlix-nbc-john-harbaugh-seahawks-patriots?xid=si_nfl

 

LOL

 Before I click, I have to say this: PLEASE LET IT BE RAY!

 

Oh, missed NBC part

Edited January 27, 2015 by allblackraven

[Grapple Raven]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2343523-robert-kraft-on-deflategate-top-comments-twitter-reaction-on-patriots-scandal

 

R.Kraft wants a apology if the nfl can`t prove something! 

 

I'm sure he does, lol.  Thought it was interesting that he says IF the NFL doesn't find the Patriots guilty of any wrongdoing.  He wouldn't make that statement if he was sure that his head coach, QB and staff were completely innocent and could be absolved of any wrongdoing.  He doesn't know!!!  Why?  Because imho, from what I have read over the past two weeks it would appear that the league set a trap for the Patriots to see if they could catch them.  It caught them off guard!  Hence all the posturing by Belicheck and Brady with these inconsistent, contradictory illogical press conferences.  They weren't prepared because they didn't know it was coming.

 

That is what I find interesting about this whole situation,  I honestly believe that this has been an ongoing process for a while this season and possibly beyond that time frame.  Many teams across the league are fed up with the Patriots antics, and this mess with stretching the rulebook and tampering with footballs in the Divisional & Championship round games respectfully, and now all this controversey surrounding its signature sporting event the Super Bowl which is the leagues premiere cash cow.  I think these issues are the last straw for many GM's, head coaches, other owners, players, and the public.  It is damaging to the sport.  Does it not seem odd that in the world of the salary cap, which was designed to bring parity to the league that you would still have one team still so dominate? One team that is atop their division year after year after year? Hmmmmm.  If I was one of the other 31 teams in the league I would be wondering  in there was something underhanded going on as well.

 

You combine all that with the fact that the league has taken a major PR and financial hit* (*referring to losing sponsors over RR, AP violence issues, etc. and others), officiating issues in several games, questions about player safety issues as in the concussion protocol being ignored, questions about its "independent" or lack there of investigation on RR and other issues of player violence, "conflict of interest" issues with its commissioner and its owners, and now deflagate???  Its not so much the cheating with deflated footballs, its more of a bigger picture...folks are fed up with the incompetence, from inside the league.  Folks are fed up with the affront to the game of football.  People make no mistake the NFL and its "Shield" have major issues. One of the biggest issues is whether Goodell will have the balls, pun intended, to finally stand up and begin to repair the damage by calling out one of the most suspect teams in the league for their underhanded culture.  Roger we are waiting...it is either more of the status quo going forward, or needed change...Goodell the 11 deflated balls are in your court now!

[arnie_uk]

Don't think a 90 sec video means much honestly.

it does if the find more 90 seconds videos before a number of games.

[ravensdfan]

They're going to pay off this Ball Attendant (who they're already referring to as a "rogue" staffer) to take the fall when the entire world knows no ball attendant did this on his own.

[DMH_in_WA]

The Patriots never fail to amaze me. Is it impossible for anyone in that organization to answer a "yes or no" question with a "yes or no answer" or to make a definitive statement?

Every time the media asks someone there if they cheated, they answer with a "I don't believe I" or "We don't believe we". That is not an answer to that question. "Belief" answers are for questions with uncertainty.

If I ask you if you cheated on your taxes and you didn't, you would say "No, I didn't cheat on my taxes." You would not say "I don't believe I cheated on my taxes."

But if I said, "Did you make a mistake on your taxes?" You could say, "I don't believe I did." Because maybe you did or maybe you didn't, but there's always a chance for a mistake.

The fact that the Patriots answer every yes or know question with an answer that points to uncertainty tells me a great deal. The fact that Robert Kraft doesn't say, "When the investigation finds out we didn't do this, I want an apology." And instead says, "When you can't prove without a doubt that we did this, I want an apology." That tells me a great deal; one of which is that whatever they did and wherever they did it, they are pretty certain there's no video evidence of it.

I have to agree with Eric Kuselias, they need to change their motto to: "The New England Patriots: Our Balls May Be Deflated, But They Sure Are Large"

Edited January 27, 2015 by DMH_in_WA

[Hardbaugh]

They're going to pay off this Ball Attendant (who they're already referring to as a "rogue" staffer) to take the fall when the entire world knows no ball attendant did this on his own.

 

The Patriots and that whole area have no shame.

 

No one out side of a Patriots fan will believe it's a rogue clubhouse attendant but that won't stop them from using it. 

Edited January 27, 2015 by Hardbaugh

[Ravenseconbeast]

Is his BFF Goodell going to give the "apology" or nah?

Im still waiting on belicheat required a public apology statement after spygate.

He refuses to do it, but of course cheatriots gets away with things. That's their motto.

[Tank 92]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2343523-robert-kraft-on-deflategate-top-comments-twitter-reaction-on-patriots-scandal

 

R.Kraft wants a apology if the nfl can`t prove something! 

 

 

Leave it to Kraft to take poop and smother it in velveeta to keep it from stinking.

 

Man I hope the NFL gets the evidence on these cheats.

[Ravenseconbeast]

They're going to pay off this Ball Attendant (who they're already referring to as a "rogue" staffer) to take the fall when the entire world knows no ball attendant did this on his own.

At least he'll get off rich. I'm sure being a ball boy wasn't exactly a long term career he had in mind.

[TheRavenouseD2008]

At least he'll get off rich. I'm sure being a ball boy wasn't exactly a long term career he had in mind.

Attempting to fix a game  is a federal crime if the nfl wants they can have him prosecuted ........ Rich and in the pen does not sound like a good combo

[IceDevilHH81]

To be true at this moment I don`t know what I would prefer.

 

Seahawks winning and just have a team who really deserve that trophy raising it after the SB. Maybe it would be the Situation for the NFL even if the investigation finds no evidence.

 

Or the Pats win and everything goes to hell… after all they will never prove that they have not fixed something. This Team will feel the heat from GMs, Players and Fans for at least the next 5 years (or maybe 1-2 years after B&B retire)… and if they find evidence … I think it will lead to shocking consequences because you have at least over 97 % (the other 31 NFL Teams and their fan bases) waiting for the hammer to protect the integrity of our sport! And a asterisk won`t do that! I don`t think Kraft, Brady and BB would survive that!

 

Either way the question will be if Goodell can dodge the bullet this time! This NFL deserves a better Commissioner – a neutral one! I don`t say you can`t have a good relationship with the owners – but like Sherman said not in that way that you take pictures at certain owners home just before the playoffs!  His best option might be to find evidence soon! Finding a way to suspend BB or Brady before the SB could lower the heat on him. 

 

This whole chaos may give us a chance to have a better NFL after all! 

[3-4ravdef509]

You don't have to explicitly state that they haven't done it before, that's not what ravensdfan is getting at.  He's saying that you're discounting the fact that its likely they've done this against many opponents in the past.  Whether or not it affected the results of our game or the Colts game is irrelevant.  It very well could have affected the results of any single game that they played in the past where their balls were illegally under inflated.

 

Then you can't say that this cheating did not have any bearing on them being in the SB because you have no idea how many games, nor which games they used this illegal tactic in and how it affected those outcomes.

 

True, but with no proof that's all entirely speculation. 

 

It's cheating, they should be punished.

 

I've only experienced football on a high school level and local church flag football league, so I can't say I speak from great authority...but I honestly don't see how under inflating footballs is a big deal or even illegal if both teams inflate/deflate to desired psi within a specific range...and even then if they go past that, the level of cheating isn't so egregious that I can say or feel that it gives them a huge or substantial competitive edge. 

 

So punishment I'm all for, but i feel like if we even try to pretend that if they hadn't cheated they wouldn't be in the Superbowl right now is baloney.

 

Now, perhaps if they're willing to do this and add i Spygate, one can speculate there are other dishonorable tactics at play that we don't know about from the Patriots, but again, all speculation.

[The Mom Gene]

This Super Bowl is going to be forever marred with controversy....  Facts remain that some lonely equipment boy who simply made a "pit stop" to take a leak (pardon the pun there too) is going to be thrown dead smack under a transit bus and paid very well for his role in this...  which was... only doing what he was told to do many times over.

[A Fish Called Yanda]

This Super Bowl is going to be forever marred with controversy....  Facts remain that some lonely equipment boy who simply made a "pit stop" to take a leak (pardon the pun there too) is going to be thrown dead smack under a transit bus and paid very well for his role in this...  which was... only doing what he was told to do many times over.

 

If the Patriots want us to believe that a ball boy acted upon his own accord to deflate 11 of their 12 footballs after Tom Brady had so meticulously groomed and selected them.  Well...I just don't even know what to say to that lol.

[A Fish Called Yanda]

Also - doesn't the fact that 11 out of 12 were under inflated somewhat strengthen the argument that the ball boy might have deflated the balls in the bathroom on his way to the field?  90 seconds is not a lot of time to do that, though in reality all you have to do is stick a needle into 12 balls for a couple of seconds apiece.  Wouldn't it be rather easy to accidentally miss one of those balls, thus ending up with 11 out of 12 that are under inflated?

[Ravenseconbeast]

Also - doesn't the fact that 11 out of 12 were under inflated somewhat strengthen the argument that the ball boy might have deflated the balls in the bathroom on his way to the field? 90 seconds is not a lot of time to do that, though in reality all you have to do is stick a needle into 12 balls for a couple of seconds apiece. Wouldn't it be rather easy to accidentally miss one of those balls, thus ending up with 11 out of 12 that are under inflated?

Actually from reports, all 12 balls were under-inflated. Its just that 11 of those balls were all 16% less coincidentally. The last ball was deflated, just not enough to be at the illegal limit.

Edited January 27, 2015 by Ravenseconbeast

[ravensdfan]

We all know it isn't happening but found it interesting.

 

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24999381/petition-for-replay-afc-title-game-with-colts-ravens-has-40k-signatures

Edited January 27, 2015 by ravensdfan

[Dr. Kelley]

If the Patriots want us to believe that a ball boy acted upon his own accord to deflate 11 of their 12 footballs after Tom Brady had so meticulously groomed and selected them. Well...I just don't even know what to say to that lol.

Dougie Spoons

[The Raven]

I think this is all on Tom Brady and the ball boy, not Belichick. Knowing how hard Belichick drives his players, and knowing that he intentionally makes the ball harder to handle in practice, I find it hard to believe he'd do this. Why would he put mud and water and what have you on the ball in practice if the team is just gonna look for shortcuts during the game? Also, Belichick has benched and flat out cut players who fumble. Doesn't sound like the kind of guy to just deflate balls. Not to mention, Brady is on record saying he likes his footballs to be under-inflated. I think Brady bribed the ball boy to get this done.

Edited January 27, 2015 by The Raven