"DeflateGate" Update: Suspension Upheld! Brady Accepts 4 Game Ban.

[furi0usbee]

LOL

 

Nowhere did they say "squeezing". They said the balls were in compliance at the beginning of the game when checked, out of compliance at half-time, although, the balls the Colts' provided were all in compliance.

 

Denial man. It's an evil drug.

 

Nowhere in your answer did you state that it has been confirmed by the NFL the PSI was measured by refs before the game. To the contrary. I've heard many people in the know that have been in the room on occasions and they said they DO NOT measure the PSI, they simply "feel" the ball.

 

So you are telling me you have half the evidence and you know the whole truth? No denial here. I'm telling you Patriots presented balls less than 12.5 PSI. But they did not tamper with balls once the refs signed off on them. Until you show me the evidence of a tampering claim, the NFL really has nothing. I feel bad for Goodell, as I doubt he has enough to even fine anyone. Poor guy.

[Grapple Raven]

If this were any other team, it would not even be on the national media's radar. Why? Is it because everyone is jealous of the Patriot glory boys? No .. it is the "pattern of behavior over time", as stated in this article. 

 

That's why I'm not interested in listening to their attempts to explain anything away. They have over the years lost credibility and I'm not inclined to buy anything that comes out of that organization. 

I too said that I'm not often a fan, but don't know whether you read the entire article but it was a good one in this instance.  I try to read a lot of information from all sides and come to a conclusion on my own. There were some interesting points of interest in this one.

[Grapple Raven]

Nowhere in your answer did you state that it has been confirmed by the NFL the PSI was measured by refs before the game. To the contrary. I've heard many people in the know that have been in the room on occasions and they said they DO NOT measure the PSI, they simply "feel" the ball.

 

So you are telling me you have half the evidence and you know the whole truth? No denial here. I'm telling you Patriots presented balls less than 12.5 PSI. But they did not tamper with balls once the refs signed off on them. Until you show me the evidence of a tampering claim, the NFL really has nothing. I feel bad for Goodell, as I doubt he has enough to even fine anyone. Poor guy.

Check the video in this link, and this was actually from a Bears-Ravens game:  http://mmqb.si.com/2015/01/21/patriots-tom-brady-bill-belichick-deflategate-ball-controversy/

 

I think if you watch you'll see the process.

[K-Dog]

This is actually not a video I saw until just now but

I still haven't came across the other videos and articles I've seen *should have bookmarked it* ill post them if I run across them but I'm done looking for now. We will see if the NFL can find evidence that suggests a man had to intentionally deflate the balls but that's really not looking likely right now. My guess is they will find the pats not guilty, we shall see.

So I checked in on the folks that made that video. One of the contact numbers had a 978 area code.

North Eastern Massachusetts.

Just sayin'....

[PerpetuallyBored74]

Article in the Globe where the "reporter" spins this scandal with the ridiculous premise that this mess is actually really truly, genuinely, sincerely John Harbaugh's fault.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2015/01/24/ravens-coach-john-harbaugh-sounds-like-man-pleading-for-forgiveness-over-deflategate/nomWQem0ynWFfq4RG27QHP/story.html

Talk about chutzpah...

It’s Harbaugh who supposedly concocted this scheme with good buddy Chuck Pagano, the Colts’ coach who was one of Harbaugh’s top defensive lieutenants for four years in Baltimore, after the Patriots pulled some trickery on the Ravens in the playoffs two weeks ago. Fox Sports’ Jay Glazer reported as much last week, and while there’s no concrete proof of this yet, that’s what the Patriots and many others across the league believe.

So, now it's the Ravens and Colts who are doing the scheming.

Never mind that the Patriots may have been deliberately skirting the rules (although the NFL has not determined anything at this point). In NFL circles, ratting out the Patriots was the far bigger crime.

'Cuz see, snitches be getting them stitches, yo.

And Harbaugh, whose team hasn’t exactly been a beacon of morality and truth since Ray Rice punched his fiancé in February, has the gall to act smugly about the Patriots?

So, apparently Aaron Hernandez never was recently drafted or played for Belichick.

Or if he was, he was never arrested and charged with multiple felonies including a few gangsta style murders.

At least not according to the newly revised "True History of The League, Patriots Edition, vol. X" (co-authored by the Boston Globe).

Belichick and the Patriots always will respect Harbaugh as an X’s and O’s coach. But now he’s also seen, fairly or not, as the guy who ignited Deflategate and tainted this Super Bowl run.

Because Billy and Tommy had noooooothing to do with any tainting, you see.

Nope, it was those mean old nasty big bully Ravens who done it.

Surprised they didn't try to blame Ray Lewis too.

Oh wait...that'll be the premise of the follow-up article.

Edited January 25, 2015 by Moderator 3

[DomMcRaven]

Article in the Globe where the "reporter" spins this scandal with the ridiculous premise that this mess is actually really truly, genuinely, sincerely John Harbaugh's fault.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2015/01/24/ravens-coach-john-harbaugh-sounds-like-man-pleading-for-forgiveness-over-deflategate/nomWQem0ynWFfq4RG27QHP/story.html

Talk about chutzpah...

So, now it's the Ravens and Colts who are doing the scheming.

'Cuz see, snitches be getting them stitches, yo.

So, apparently Aaron Hernandez never was recently drafted or played for Belichick.

Or if he was, he was never arrested and charged with multiple felonies including a few gangsta style murders.

At least not according to the newly revised "True History of The League, Patriots Edition, vol. X" (co-authored by the Boston Globe).

Because Billy and Tommy had noooooothing to do with any tainting, you see.

Nope, it was those mean old nasty big bully Ravens who done it.

Surprised they didn't try to blame Ray Lewis too.

Oh wait...that'll be the premise of the follow-up article.

So......how does he feel about the John Harbaugh and the Ravens organization exactly?

[ratedr]

Patriots fans and Boston media are obsessed with the Ravens, that's really the only explanation for their wacked out conspiracy theories.

 

It's also hilarious that Pats fans think they're on some moral high ground when their team is a known cheating entity. They'll also be quick to pat themselves on the back for releasing Hernandez when this dude was thugging around Florida for years and they had no issue with it. They only released him when it was apparent that he was doing to jail.

 

They'll continue to compare him to Ray Lewis because they think the comparison makes sense, but the reality their actual crimes were not similar, which is why Hernandez is two steps from death row while you can see Ray Lewis every Sunday morning on ESPN.

[DomMcRaven]

Patriots fans and Boston media are obsessed with the Ravens, that's really the only explanation for their wacked out conspiracy theories.

 

It's also hilarious that Pats fans think they're on some moral high ground when their team is a known cheating entity. They'll also be quick to pat themselves on the back for releasing Hernandez when this dude was thugging around Florida for years and they had no issue with it. They only released him when it was apparent that he was doing to jail.

 

They'll continue to compare him to Ray Lewis because they think the comparison makes sense, but the reality their actual crimes were not similar, which is why Hernandez is two steps from death row while you can see Ray Lewis every Sunday morning on ESPN.

Right?!?!?! In their eyes, the Ravens are the "most classless" organization that's full of "scumbags." LOL!

[ratedr]

Right?!?!?! In their eyes, the Ravens are the "most classless" organization that's full of "scumbags." LOL!

They must feel pretty threatened, personally I don't think much of the Patriots at all unless we play them, and I know most Ravens fans are the same.

 

They really think the "Patriot Way" is something noble (and not being habitual cheaters) when they literally had an in-house serial killer with enormous pre-draft flags.

Edited January 25, 2015 by ratedr

[Tank 92]

This is what I've been wondering as well. Is it possible the colts balls were over inflated? Rodgers just came out recently and said he himself likes them over inflated, who knows? Or whatever they did prep wise made the balls stay within range. Its still not confirmed by the NFL where the starting point was for the colts balls or even where the psi was after the game. There is still alot of key information missing..The only thing I'm positive of at this point is the weather CAN and most likely DID play a factor. I'm still not convinced the refs even checked the balls properly pregame. At this point I'm just trying to ignore the bias opinions and focus on the facts and scientific evidence because that will bring you closer to the truth than anything else will.

  

Nowhere in your answer did you state that it has been confirmed by the NFL the PSI was measured by refs before the game. To the contrary. I've heard many people in the know that have been in the room on occasions and they said they DO NOT measure the PSI, they simply "feel" the ball.

 

So you are telling me you have half the evidence and you know the whole truth? No denial here. I'm telling you Patriots presented balls less than 12.5 PSI. But they did not tamper with balls once the refs signed off on them. Until you show me the evidence of a tampering claim, the NFL really has nothing. I feel bad for Goodell, as I doubt he has enough to even fine anyone. Poor guy.

http://www.si.com/nfl/2015/01/22/tom-brady-bill-belichick-deflategate-press-conference?sct=obnetwork

[Ravenseconbeast]

http://www.si.com/nfl/2015/01/22/tom-brady-bill-belichick-deflategate-press-conference?sct=obnetwork

Thank you clearing that up. Colts balls weren't manipulated. Just patriots ball. Coincidentally all 11 out of 12 patriots balls all had 16% deflation except one(still deflated, but not up to 16%). A very rare coincidence.

Patriots can deny and make delusions all they want, but they cheated. Fair and simple.

Now if they want to argue if this issue is overblown? Then that is a topic they can conjure up themselves. How severe of a punishment from just fines to suspensions. But making excuses isn't going to change what everyone knows.

[berad]

Check the video in this link, and this was actually from a Bears-Ravens game:  http://mmqb.si.com/2015/01/21/patriots-tom-brady-bill-belichick-deflategate-ball-controversy/

 

I think if you watch you'll see the process.

 

That was cool to see, thanks Grapple

[berad]

Article in the Globe where the "reporter" spins this scandal with the ridiculous premise that this mess is actually really truly, genuinely, sincerely John Harbaugh's fault.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2015/01/24/ravens-coach-john-harbaugh-sounds-like-man-pleading-for-forgiveness-over-deflategate/nomWQem0ynWFfq4RG27QHP/story.html

Talk about chutzpah...

So, now it's the Ravens and Colts who are doing the scheming.

'Cuz see, snitches be getting them stitches, yo.

So, apparently Aaron Hernandez never was recently drafted or played for Belichick.

Or if he was, he was never arrested and charged with multiple felonies including a few gangsta style murders.

At least not according to the newly revised "True History of The League, Patriots Edition, vol. X" (co-authored by the Boston Globe).

Because Billy and Tommy had noooooothing to do with any tainting, you see.

Nope, it was those mean old nasty big bully Ravens who done it.

Surprised they didn't try to blame Ray Lewis too.

Oh wait...that'll be the premise of the follow-up article.

 

That's pretty hilarious. Boston thinking about us during SB week, losing sleep over that maniacal John Harbaugh who is having fun in Arizona. The obsession is real. Harbaugh should think about a restraining order.

[The Mom Gene]

Bellicheat did an internal investigation and found no wrongdoing...  That's like a thief investigating his own shoplifting offense...  Ridiculous.

[The Mom Gene]

That's pretty hilarious. Boston thinking about us during SB week, losing sleep over that maniacal John Harbaugh who is having fun in Arizona. The obsession is real. Harbaugh should think about a restraining order.

Wow...  can you say "grasping"????

[A Fish Called Yanda]

Bellicheat did an internal investigation and found no wrongdoing... That's like a thief investigating his own shoplifting offense... Ridiculous.

Somewhat similar to the NFL's "internal review" of their handling of the Ray Rice case.

Edited January 25, 2015 by Moderator 3

[DomMcRaven]

They must feel pretty threatened, personally I don't think much of the Patriots at all unless we play them, and I know most Ravens fans are the same.

 

They really think the "Patriot Way" is something noble (and not being habitual cheaters) when they literally had an in-house serial killer with enormous pre-draft flags.

They see us as their biggest threat. But I agree with everything else. Many people compare the Patriots to the Raiders with how they handle troubled players. At least the Raiders haven't had any trouble recently (at least that I can recall).

[A Fish Called Yanda]

They see us as their biggest threat. But I agree with everything else. Many people compare the Patriots to the Raiders with how they handle troubled players. At least the Raiders haven't had any trouble recently (at least that I can recall).

 

It always amuses me when Pats fans try to bring up Ray Lewis and call him a murderer and use that to try to say that the Ravens are a team of thugs.

 

Everyone seems to very quickly forget about Aaron Hernandez - who looks like he killed quite a few people during his time as a Patriot.

[ratedr]

That's pretty hilarious. Boston thinking about us during SB week, losing sleep over that maniacal John Harbaugh who is having fun in Arizona. The obsession is real. Harbaugh should think about a restraining order.

I would actually love Harbaugh more if that stupid theory was actually true. Tom did tell him to study the rule book after all. Well, if Baaaaawstan conspiracy is to be believed, he sure did. LOL.

[DomMcRaven]

It always amuses me when Pats fans try to bring up Ray Lewis and call him a murderer and use that to try to say that the Ravens are a team of thugs.

 

Everyone seems to very quickly forget about Aaron Hernandez - who looks like he killed quite a few people during his time as a Patriot.

Or a team of wife beaters (Rice and Suggs) or animal abusers (Cody).

[ratedr]

The best part of that article is how they manage to credit Belichick not only for Harbaugh's success, but also the success of the entire Ravens franchise.

 

These wackjobs really believe that Harbaugh is "biting the hand that feeds" him (Bisciotti might have something to say about that) and that he'll be exiled from coaching "like Mangini" (who actually got a HC job with the Browns right after his stint with the Jets, so not exactly exile).

 

I'd say that the clams they're eating must have unusually high levels of mercury this year, but this is typical for them.

[ratedr]

Or a team of wife beaters (Rice and Suggs) or animal abusers (Cody).

99% of Pats fans didn't even know who Cody was until Friday.

 

I'd wager that most Pats fans can't even name the 4th string DT on their own team.

Edited January 25, 2015 by ratedr

[ratedr]

Also, here is Harbaugh's supposedly gushing, pleading interview: http://www.baltimoreravens.com/videos/videos/Harbs_Belichick_Greatest_Coach_Of_Our_Generation/367bcff6-b554-4754-9705-743e2a4513a9

 

Most of his comments weren't even about Belichick, just the 30 secs at the end.

 

Harbaugh is enjoying himself in AZ while Pats fans are foaming at the mouth.

Edited January 25, 2015 by ratedr

[ravensdfan]

I really don't want to hear all about the Seattle "repeat" and how they're now a dynasty because they've been relevant for two years but.....NE needs to lose and lose badly.

[ratedr]

I really don't want to hear all about the Seattle "repeat" and how they're now a dynasty because they've been relevant for two years but.....NE needs to lose and lose badly.

I really wanted Green Bay to win, but I think GB probably loses to NE in the SB. So for that I'm happy that Seattle won.

 

Seattle annoys me too but I remember all the good things Sherman said about Flacco after he won the SB and it makes it easier to root for them. Go Seahawks.

[Ravenseconbeast]

I really don't want to hear all about the Seattle "repeat" and how they're now a dynasty because they've been relevant for two years but.....NE needs to lose and lose badly.

 

Couldve been Ravens vs Seattle.

 

SB champs vs SB champs.   Cheatriots decided to crash that party though.

[Ravenseconbeast]

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/01/bill-nye-the-science-guy-says-bill-belichick-didnt-make-any-sense-in-press-conference

Bill Nye the science guy ∆

[furi0usbee]

#### MY FINAL POST ON THIS MATTER ####

 

OK. I've gone back and forth in this thread, and for the most part, Ravens fans have legitimate issues with how the Patriots handled their footballs. But after the Belichick press conference yesterday, he essentially admitted what they did. I'm still hearing people on Patriots radio (Pats fans) still not even know what they are talking about, so I will state the exact defense the Patriots are using and you can be the judge of it.

 

This is NOT my explanation, this is paraphrased right from Belichicks press conference yesterday.

 

The "process" the Patriots use to prepare their game balls, and which lasts right up until the time they hand them over to NFL officials, actually RAISES the PSI in the ball by approximately one pound. This is important.

 

The Patriots then instruct the ref, which may or may not abide by their instruction, to put the game ball at 12.5 PSI. He didn't say it, but because their process artificially raises the PSI by 1, this would require the ref to actually DEFLATE the football by 1 PSI, so the gauge would read 12.5 PSI. He didn't say it because that would be DECEPTIVE.

 

At this point, although the football reads 12.5 PSI, this is a measurement of the actual air pressure inside the football at that moment, and with the air still excited by the Patriots "process" of getting balls ready. Belichick said they did not heat them, but they must have REALLY rubbed them:) So at this point, the football is now at 12.5 PSI (temporarily).

 

Although the gauge says 12.5 PSI, if the excited air inside the football had time to acclimate to room temperature where the balls are tested, and the heat/energy of the Patriots "process" has dissipated, the air pressure would indeed fall to an equilibrium of 11.5 PSI. And this is 11.5 PSI INDOORS. This would depend on how quickly the refs inspected them from the time the Patriots finished their rubbing. I mean they could still be rubbing outside the door before they go in. Crazy though.

 

Now, when these balls enter the field of play, and after having been subjected to 50 degree weather for some duration, that 11.5 PSI is going to fall by even more. If the NFL says balls were 2 PSI under, that means the balls fell another .5 PSI, or basically what Belichick said happened in their tests. For what that's worth.

 

So as you can see, if this is what the Patriots did, aside from being deceptive and skirting the rules and you can call that cheating, which is fair, the Patriots would not have had to tamper with footballs post inspection, and by all accounts, there would have been NO TIME for tampering with the footballs. Belichick basically confessed to providing the NFL with balls that were deceptively HIGH in PSI.

 

I for one DO NOT think the Patriots should be allowed to do this. Although not violating the word of the rule, it certainly violates the spirit of the rule. If I were to make a ruling, and seeing as this had NO effect on the outcome of the game, which would have been a big issue for me, should they have won by a 2 TDs or less, I couldn't do anything more than fine the organization, and fine Belichick. Brady would not be fined. Brady cannot overrule Belichick. And I would fine Belichick the same as I fined him last time $500k for lying when he said he didn't know what the "process" involved, and another $500k as a deterrent for further violations. That's a pretty detailed process, and at one time he must have at least asked what was going on.

 

So did the Patriots TAMPER with footballs after the refs inspected them? NO NO NO. Any conversation or speculation on that is absurd, unless the NFL has some hard proof.

 

Did the Patriots deceive the refs? YES YES YES. And I am happy with any fines the NFL imposes on the Patriots. I DO NOT think there will be suspensions or draft picks taken away however. I'll bet there will be rule changes though.

 

So there, this REALLY is the last time I speak on this until the NFL says something and can back it up with evidence.

[PeRK82]

I was watching the NFL networks RAVENS SUPERBOWL game And saw something i think everyone should know

 

In the first drive, FLACCO says there is something wrong with the FOOTBALL, They were playing with the 49ers  game ball .

 

So you tell me, how does FLACCO know that something is different about the Football but BRADY couldnt tell ( BRADY has been playing alot longer than Flacco right), Brady just hikes the ball and throws it. Riiiiiight.

 

Im guessing Flacco and KAP playing with diff tack and or diff air pressure. Hmmmm

Its pretty obvious Brady knew.

 

And this just proves that BRADY was lying about not knowing something different with the footballs.

 

[furi0usbee]

Pats give ball of artificially high (due to heat, not extra air pumped in) 13.5 PSI. Refs remove 1 PSI, actual PSI now 12.5 PSI, the way the patriots "like them." Temperature of air inside ball now comes down to room temperature, actual PSI is now 11.5 PSI. Ball is outside and wet for an hour, PSI is now lower than 11.5. That's what Patriots say, and until the NFL says something different, and can prove something different, NO tampering is needed based on the Patriots explanation. The NFL will have time to refute that.