Conclusions From Last Dolphins Game

[Ronnie Brown # 23]

[quote name='LosT_in_TranSlatioN' post='115457' date='Dec 31 2008, 07:09 PM']Your point about Favre doesnt support your argument. He held a 2/9 TD/INT ratio in the last 5 games. Your pass rush was not the reason for those turn overs neither. It was the poor decision making since he was comfortable in the pocket during at least 2 of the 3 interceptions. And even with shutting him down, you finished 25th in Pass Defense this Season. As well as Ronnie Brown has played, he finished with merely 79 more overall yards than he had in just 7 games last year. And with the porous performance of AFC backs, he's still considered by many to be undeserving of the Pro Bowl pick, with Steve Slaton originally projected to hold the 3rd spot. Even with the other backs, your rushing attack isnt even within the Top 10. Please reference facts before making your points.[/quote]

Yes it does, you don't need turnover to show your getting pressure, incomplete passes are usually the result of getting presure and knockdowns. It doesn't matter how our pass defense is as they are playing alot better in December as Andre Goodman is coming out of his shell ( yea i'm sure you don't know who he is but it doesn't mean he's not good, he has 3 ints in the last 2 games. As for Ronnie, he has 179 more yards not 79 and that mostly due to receiving yards. You are blind to the fact that he wasn't sharing the carries last year as Ricky Williams shared a good portion of the load. Stretching alittle saying the Dolphins aren't a top 10 rushing attack considering there #11 big deal... the only reason you are ranked higher is because you had more attempts. In terms of averages and talent Ronnie and Ricky are head over heals better then any of your runningbacks atleast this year with Mcgahee having an off year.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

[quote name='Ronnie Brown # 23' post='115487' date='Dec 31 2008, 07:58 PM']Yes it does, you don't need turnover to show your getting pressure, incomplete passes are usually the result of getting presure and knockdowns. It doesn't matter how our pass defense is as they are playing alot better in December as Andre Goodman is coming out of his shell ( yea i'm sure you don't know who he is but it doesn't mean he's not good, he has 3 ints in the last 2 games. As for Ronnie, he has 179 more yards not 79 and that mostly due to receiving yards. You are blind to the fact that he wasn't sharing the carries last year as Ricky Williams shared a good portion of the load. Stretching alittle saying the Dolphins aren't a top 10 rushing attack considering there #11 big deal... the only reason you are ranked higher is because you had more attempts. In terms of averages and talent Ronnie and Ricky are head over heals better then any of your runningbacks atleast this year with Mcgahee having an off year.[/quote]
Andre Goodman had 2 picks in the last game, with only 3 in the rest of the Season, all of them against poor offenses. Even if he's emerging, Nnamdi Asomugha is a shut down corner, but all the other offense has to do is throw the ball elsewhere. You have nobody worth mentioning in your secondary. I may have been off on the numbers, but even so, Ronnie Brown dropped almost a yard off of his YAC. You're averaging 4.3 and 4.1 with 2 Top 5 Draft picks. We're doing it mostly with a full back, who's 4 yards behind Mr. Wildcat and 1 more TD. And it wasnt stretching. If you're not Top 10, then you're not Top 10, no? Coming back to the Favre discussion, just as you said, "incomplete passes are usually the result of getting presure and knockdowns." With usually being the key word, considering Brett has been dismal in the latter of the Season, making mistakes by himself in a 5 game stretch against:

Broncos - 26th Pass Defense
49ers - 20th Pass Defense
Bills - 13th Pass Defense (Only Top 15)
Seahawks - 32nd Pass Defense
Miami - 25th Pass Defense

Who exactly did you play in the second half? Lets check:

Rams - 26th Pass Offense
Bills - 22nd Pass Offense
49ers - 13th Pass Offense (Only Top 15)
Chiefs - 20th Pass Offense
Jets - 16th Pass Offense

And you're still 25th overall. Improved? I rest my case.

[Ronnie Brown # 23]

[quote name='LosT_in_TranSlatioN' post='115541' date='Dec 31 2008, 09:22 PM']Andre Goodman had 2 picks in the last game, with only 3 in the rest of the Season, all of them against poor offenses. Even if he's emerging, Nnamdi Asomugha is a shut down corner, but all the other offense has to do is throw the ball elsewhere. You have nobody worth mentioning in your secondary. I may have been off on the numbers, but even so, Ronnie Brown dropped almost a yard off of his YAC. You're averaging 4.3 and 4.1 with 2 Top 5 Draft picks. We're doing it mostly with a full back, who's 4 yards behind Mr. Wildcat and 1 more TD. And it wasnt stretching. If you're not Top 10, then you're not Top 10, no? Coming back to the Favre discussion, just as you said, "incomplete passes are usually the result of getting presure and knockdowns." With usually being the key word, considering Brett has been dismal in the latter of the Season, making mistakes by himself in a 5 game stretch against:

Broncos - 26th Pass Defense
49ers - 20th Pass Defense
Bills - 13th Pass Defense (Only Top 15)
Seahawks - 32nd Pass Defense
Miami - 25th Pass Defense

Who exactly did you play in the second half? Lets check:

Rams - 26th Pass Offense
Bills - 22nd Pass Offense
49ers - 13th Pass Offense (Only Top 15)
Chiefs - 20th Pass Offense
Jets - 16th Pass Offense

And you're still 25th overall. Improved? I rest my case.[/quote]

What are you talking about? Total Yards because Ronnie has 347 more yards with rushing and receiving combined then McClain and Ricky has 55 more yards in 27 less touches..If your talking about just rushing then Ronnie has 179 more yards and 1 more td in only 12 more touches then McClain so idk where your getting your stuff from?
Opposite of Goodman is Will Allen who is our best corner and a very good corner in the league. Plus yes our pass defense is ranked 25th but your pass offense is ranked 28th!! so what's your point that we haven't faced good passing teams, that doesn't matter considering that while our passing defense isn't the best in the league, your passing offense is worse.

I rest my case..

[PurpleClawsOfFURY]

[quote name='Ronnie Brown # 23' post='115558' date='Dec 31 2008, 09:52 PM']What are you talking about? Total Yards because Ronnie has 347 more yards with rushing and receiving combined then McClain and Ricky has 55 more yards in 27 less touches..If your talking about just rushing then Ronnie has 179 more yards and 1 more td in only 12 more touches then McClain so idk where your getting your stuff from?
Opposite of Goodman is Will Allen who is our best corner and a very good corner in the league. Plus yes our pass defense is ranked 25th but your pass offense is ranked 28th!! so what's your point that we haven't faced good passing teams, that doesn't matter considering that while our passing defense isn't the best in the league, your passing offense is worse.

I rest my case..[/quote]

Your very debatable... McClain is a FULLBACK, he serves a different purpose then just yards, he bruises the Defense so late in the game we can take control.

I've watched the Dolphins a couple of times and a couple keys to this game will most likely be:
-Stop patrick cobbs - the kid makes plays when ever he's on the field
-Worry more about Davon Bess then Tedd Guinn Jr.
-Pentrate gaps in the WildCat formation and anticapate a new wrinkle in it.
-Unbalanced line towards Porter's side to keep him quiet all day much like we did against James Harrison (except porter is better).
-McGahee in his career has been stellar against the Phins, even in this dismal year, his slash and bash type running will be key to the offense.
-Jake Long is a great run blocker this season but not as much pass blocking look for suggs match up or maybe a vet in Pryce

Also, Homefield advantage??? Miami or Florida in general is full of retired folks and tourist there are probably more Ravens fans down there then Dolphins fans, i believe i heard there will be 15,000 Ravens fans tailgating in lot C.

This won't be a close game, who ever is going to win is going to win by 10+
If the Ravens come to play my guess is 31-17 4th quarters scores a plenty

[flynismo]

[quote name='Ronnie Brown # 23' post='115379' date='Dec 31 2008, 05:13 PM']Yes generally when you run alot more then you pass that means your one dimensional and no i don't think Flacco is good enough to beat us or for that matter many NFL teams without a rushing attack, very few qbs can, never mind a very good rookie but when compared to the rest of the qbs in the playoffs a very average one at that. The stats you just threw out proves that they are one dimensional. I never said that our defense was better then yours?[/quote]


There's a difference between being one dimensional and run oriented. Flacco has proven many times that he can make plays if we need him to; but that's not our M.O. Similiar to Pittsburgh; they are a run the ball down your throat type team, but they can certainly air it out when need be.

[Ronnie Brown # 23]

[quote name='PurpleClawsOfFURY' post='115580' date='Dec 31 2008, 10:41 PM']Your very debatable... McClain is a FULLBACK, he serves a different purpose then just yards, he bruises the Defense so late in the game we can take control.

I've watched the Dolphins a couple of times and a couple keys to this game will most likely be:
-Stop patrick cobbs - the kid makes plays when ever he's on the field
-Worry more about Davon Bess then Tedd Guinn Jr.
-Pentrate gaps in the WildCat formation and anticapate a new wrinkle in it.
-Unbalanced line towards Porter's side to keep him quiet all day much like we did against James Harrison (except porter is better).
-McGahee in his career has been stellar against the Phins, even in this dismal year, his slash and bash type running will be key to the offense.
-Jake Long is a great run blocker this season but not as much pass blocking look for suggs match up or maybe a vet in Pryce

Also, Homefield advantage??? Miami or Florida in general is full of retired folks and tourist there are probably more Ravens fans down there then Dolphins fans, i believe i heard there will be 15,000 Ravens fans tailgating in lot C.

This won't be a close game, who ever is going to win is going to win by 10+
If the Ravens come to play my guess is 31-17 4th quarters scores a plenty[/quote]

If i'm so debateable then why hasn't anyone answered me in regaurds to that our passing defense doesn't matter since the ravens passing offense is worse.
Both Ronnie and Ricky are both bruising style runningbacks that wear a defense out. It doesn't matter if he's a fullback they run hiim like a runningback, he's no different then Brandon Jacobs.

[smashmouth]

[quote name='Ronnie Brown # 23' post='115379' date='Dec 31 2008, 05:13 PM']Yes generally when you run alot more then you pass that means your one dimensional and no i don't think Flacco is good enough to beat us or for that matter many NFL teams without a rushing attack, very few qbs can, never mind a very good rookie but when compared to the rest of the qbs in the playoffs a very average one at that. The stats you just threw out proves that they are one dimensional. I never said that our defense was better then yours?[/quote]
OR... and this is a SIMPLE football strat. When you've got the lead and the 2nd best defense in the league, not including a top 5 rushing attcak.. YOU RUN THE BALL... we pound people in submission in the 2nd half, especially if we have the lead. Hey I hope the MIA coaching staff knows as much as you do about football, Think were one dimensianl and play the run, which they probally stil wont stop,( look at the Cowboys game, which are a much better defense) And watch Flacco beat you so bad with the pass.. I'll chug a corona for you every time MIA puts 9 in the box to stop our one dimensional offense.

[PurpleClawsOfFURY]

Trust me there is a big difference and Ronnie and Ricky are not bruisers and can't do it like Le'Ron. But you'll be seeing more Mcgahee cuz he's more of the dolphins cryptonite. It is no diffenerent from Jacobs other than McClain is shorter and has a better fullback in front of him in Lorenzo Neal.

Your really not debating your just saying no to what ever people say. And a quick question, do you live in Florida?

[H8R]

[quote name='Ronnie Brown # 23' post='115379' date='Dec 31 2008, 05:13 PM']Yes generally when you run alot more then you pass that means your one dimensional and no i don't think Flacco is good enough to beat us or for that matter many NFL teams without a rushing attack, very few qbs can, never mind a very good rookie but when compared to the rest of the qbs in the playoffs a very average one at that. The stats you just threw out proves that they are one dimensional. I never said that our defense was better then yours?[/quote]

We go with what works against the defense we're facing. Seems like our game plan has worked well. I see our "One Dimensional" Offense is putting up MORE points then your "Balanced Offense"

[Ronnie Brown # 23]

[quote name='PurpleClawsOfFURY' post='115596' date='Dec 31 2008, 11:21 PM']Trust me there is a big difference and Ronnie and Ricky are not bruisers and can't do it like Le'Ron. But you'll be seeing more Mcgahee cuz he's more of the dolphins cryptonite. It is no diffenerent from Jacobs other than McClain is shorter and has a better fullback in front of him in Lorenzo Neal.

Your really not debating your just saying no to what ever people say. And a quick question, do you live in Florida?[/quote]

Ronnie and Ricky are deff power backs, a bruiser is someone that choses to go through you instead of around, is it not? or are you going by something different? I wouldn't say he's the Dolphins cryptonite as his game this year was his best ever vs the phins and that was without our starting and back NT. No i'm from CT

[PurpleClawsOfFURY]

I figured, you've said enough on our forums come back after the game to see if all your jawing had come true on sunday. May the better team win.

[Ronnie Brown # 23]

[quote name='PurpleClawsOfFURY' post='115605' date='Dec 31 2008, 11:41 PM']I figured, you've said enough on our forums come back after the game to see if all your jawing had come true on sunday. May the better team win.[/quote]

I'm not jawing because i don't think that even if we win it'll be by much. I think it'll be a long hard fought game and whoever makes the least mistakes will win. I started providing stats to those who were saying the Ravens will crush the Dolphins. Yes it could happen but logically it shouldn't.

[PurpleClawsOfFURY]

Any given sunday my friend, stats don't matter in the playoffs even if we are favored we should play you like we're playing for our lives.

As for your comments on Brown and Williams being bruiser backs, they are strong runners yes but they are not like Jamal Lewis or McClain or Brandon Jacobs or Jerrome bettis. Sure they will truck a little defensive back or two but they do not put constant hitting and pressure on Linebackers and Defensive Linemen all game to the point where they break in half in the 4th (See cowboys). They are great runningbacks, strong legs and find green grass well but arn't bruisers. I'm more worried about Anthony Fasano catching the ball then those two.

[heapitup247]

[quote name='Ronnie Brown # 23' post='115444' date='Dec 31 2008, 06:46 PM']Yes but it's not like you guys beat the harder teams on your schedule either. The teams you guys actually beat we're teams that [b]we're average to sucky[/b] just like us:

Baltimore Wins
Cincy (4-11-1)
Clev (4-12)
Miami (11-5)
Oak (5-11)
Clev (4-12)
Hous (8-8)
Philly (9-6-1)
Cincy (4-11-1)
Wash (8-8)
Dallas (9-7)
Jax (5-11)
71-102-3

Loss:
Pitt (12-4)
Tenn (13-3)
Indy (12-4)
NYG (12-4)
pitt (12-4)
61-19

Miami
wins:
NE (11-5)
SD (8-8)
Buff (7-9)
Buff (7-9)
Den (8-8)
Sea (4-12)
Oak (5-11)
stl (2-14)
sf (7-9)
KC (2-14)
NYJ (9-7)
(70-106)

Loss:
NE (11-5)
NYJ (9-7)
ARI (9-7)
Balt (11-5)
Hous (8-8)
(48-32)

Yes the teams you've lost to have been better but then again it's still a loss.[/quote]

You called yourself average to sucky.

3 of your losses were to non-playoff teams, every team we've lost to is in the playoffs. You've played 3 playoff teams and youve lost to two of them. We've played 7 and lost 5 of them. You can argue you've done better(which is kind of silly because the chargers were sucking when you played them, but i digress), but we have far more experience against teams in the playoffs, and, yes, a tougher schedule.

[Bullrush]

[quote name='Ronnie Brown # 23' post='115444' date='Dec 31 2008, 06:46 PM']Yes but it's not like you guys beat the harder teams on your schedule either. The teams you guys actually beat we're teams that we're average to sucky just like us:

Yes the teams you've lost to have been better but then again it's still a loss.[/quote]
We already crushed you this season, how can you still argue about Strength of Schedule? People bring that up when 2 teams haven't played each other yet but we already did and like i said we beat you. No point in arguing who else we beat or who we lost to. Besides, look at the teams we lost to. Those are the 5 best teams in the entire NFL. You lost to pretty much average/bad teams. And yet you say we beat average teams only. This coming from somebody whose team had trouble against the Rams, Raiders, Seahawks and Chiefs, and actually lost to he Texans. For your information we destroyed the Raiders and the Texans. The only "legit" loss you have on your schedule was the NE one (outside of us).

[macbrak]

[quote name='Ronnie Brown # 23' post='115593' date='Dec 31 2008, 11:17 PM']If i'm so debateable then why hasn't anyone answered me in regaurds to that our passing defense doesn't matter since the ravens passing offense is worse.
Both Ronnie and Ricky are both bruising style runningbacks that wear a defense out. It doesn't matter if he's a fullback they run hiim like a runningback, he's no different then Brandon Jacobs.[/quote]
Huh?
Ravens have given up the second fewest passing yards in the NFL. Fins..mmm 25th.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

[quote name='Ronnie Brown # 23' post='115558' date='Dec 31 2008, 09:52 PM']What are you talking about? Total Yards because Ronnie has 347 more yards with rushing and receiving combined then McClain and Ricky has 55 more yards in 27 less touches..If your talking about just rushing then Ronnie has 179 more yards and 1 more td in only 12 more touches then McClain so idk where your getting your stuff from?
Opposite of Goodman is Will Allen who is our best corner and a very good corner in the league. Plus yes our pass defense is ranked 25th but your pass offense is ranked 28th!! so what's your point that we haven't faced good passing teams, that doesn't matter considering that while our passing defense isn't the best in the league, your passing offense is worse.

I rest my case..[/quote]

My point is that your pass defense is appalling. If Goodman is emerging and Allen is, "very good," you wouldnt be outdone by the Saints (23rd). The Pass Offense wasnt even the topic of discussion, but if you want to look at it collectively, the Dolphins are 21st in PPG...we're 11th. You could be 1st in both categories, and it would still be irrelevant if you're among the worst in scoring points. Correction, Ronnie has 1 less TD than McClain, unless you count the passing TD, which brings them both to 11. Where did you get your numbers? Ronnie has 145 more Total Yards than McClain, only 14 more Rushing. And did you honestly just claim that Ricky has more yards than Le'Ron? Williams has 878 overall. 878 < 1025. For god's sakes, use a calculator. My argument is that our FB, whose job description typically involved blocking, was able to gain the same amount on the ground as your 2nd overall pick. Once again, I rest my case.

[Raven Bob]

Here's the long and the short of it with regard to the Ravens-Dolphins game this Sunday.

I expect the Ravens to win, period. Because if they don't, it would be a total travesty to allow the Dolphins to play the Steelers, as they would get killed there, and allow the Steelers a very easy win to the SB. Whereas the Ravens (as Steeler fans know quite well , would be a much hard foe to beat, and would not face them until the Ravens play the Titans after Miami.

Note: When Ravens win versus Miami then they go to the Titans next, but if they lose, then Miami goes to face the Steelers. For those that don't see how that plays out automatically in the playoffs.

Bottom line, to keep the playoffs "interesting" in the AFC, Ravens have to win this one.

Go Ravens! Go Falco...er, Flacco!

[macbrak]

nevermind, I'm confusing noobs and finfans

[Ronnie Brown # 23]

[quote name='LosT_in_TranSlatioN' post='116352' date='Jan 2 2009, 03:52 AM']My point is that your pass defense is appalling. If Goodman is emerging and Allen is, "very good," you wouldnt be outdone by the Saints (23rd). The Pass Offense wasnt even the topic of discussion, but if you want to look at it collectively, the Dolphins are 21st in PPG...we're 11th. You could be 1st in both categories, and it would still be irrelevant if you're among the worst in scoring points. Correction, Ronnie has 1 less TD than McClain, unless you count the passing TD, which brings them both to 11. Where did you get your numbers? Ronnie has 145 more Total Yards than McClain, only 14 more Rushing. And did you honestly just claim that Ricky has more yards than Le'Ron? Williams has 878 overall. 878 < 1025. For god's sakes, use a calculator. My argument is that our FB, whose job description typically involved blocking, was able to gain the same amount on the ground as your 2nd overall pick. Once again, I rest my case.[/quote]

My bad on the stats i looked at a site for betting that had everyones stats and the site didn't put in his stats from the cowboy game so it was missing a huge his best game.

[3Zach21]

I dont understand why Ronnie keeps trying to fight his case. I mean, we have already played once this season, and sure maybe the dolphins have shown a little improvement, but its not like they have completely turned into a super-bowl threatening team. They barely even made it in the playoffs.

[dolfaninpeace]

[quote name='3Zach21' post='116430' date='Jan 2 2009, 11:55 AM']I dont understand why Ronnie keeps trying to fight his case. I mean, we have already played once this season, and sure maybe the dolphins have shown a little improvement, but its not like they have completely turned into a super-bowl threatening team. [b]They barely even made it in the playoffs.[/b][/quote]
We had the same chances as you guys. All we needed to do was win on Week 17 and we were in. You guys beat us, but both teams are completely different, the approach both teams take into a game have changed as well

[3Zach21]

[quote name='dolfaninpeace' post='116466' date='Jan 2 2009, 12:34 PM']We had the same chances as you guys. All we needed to do was win on Week 17 and we were in. You guys beat us, but both teams are completely different, the approach both teams take into a game have changed as well[/quote]

14 points worth?

[H8R]

[quote name='dolfaninpeace' post='116466' date='Jan 2 2009, 12:34 PM']We had the same chances as you guys. All we needed to do was win on Week 17 and we were in. You guys beat us, but both teams are completely different, the approach both teams take into a game have changed as well[/quote]

I disagree, our (Ravens) approach has been consistent all year. Pound the Rock, move the chains, mix in a Heaping teaspoon of Mr.Flacco and some trickery for color. Bottom line? The ONLY edge I give to Miami in this games is MAYBE Special Teams but as of late we have been doing GREAT, so if it is an advantage it's VERY slight!

[dolfaninpeace]

I think we have an offensive advantage, and you guys have the defensive advantage. Special teams sucked at the time we played you guys. Now its better. And by 14 points worth, I have no idea what you mean.

I was referring to the comment that said, "You barely made it to the playoffs". Both teams only made it to the playoffs because of a tiebreaker.

[3Zach21]

[quote name='dolfaninpeace' post='116507' date='Jan 2 2009, 01:57 PM']I think we have an offensive advantage, and you guys have the defensive advantage. Special teams sucked at the time we played you guys. Now its better. And by 14 points worth, I have no idea what you mean.

I was referring to the comment that said, "You barely made it to the playoffs". Both teams only made it to the playoffs because of a tiebreaker.[/quote]

14 points worth as in since you guys lost to us last time by 14, do you think you have changed enough that you would have tied or won that game. Doubt it. And you have an offensive advantage? In what area? Passing, maybe? Certainly not Rushing. And no you dont have the advantage, not when youre playing the Ravens. And our special teams sucked too, so its ok:). I just have not seen a reason for me to think that the Dolphins have improved dramatically.

[macbrak]

14 points is the margin by which the Dolphins lost to the Ravens in week 7.

Our Special Teams must have been given the "Come to Jesus" talk to by Harbaugh. They've been on fire for the last couple games. No one can claim either team doesn't deserve to be in the playoffs (Chargers and Cards maybe).

[Dolphologist]

The Phins are 9-1 since playing the Ravens - you guys are in for a big surprise - running you over.

[macbrak]

In the QB & RB matchup you'd win playing the same D. Luckily we don't have to play our D.

[3Zach21]

[quote name='Dolphologist' post='116511' date='Jan 2 2009, 02:03 PM']The Phins are 9-1 since playing the Ravens - you guys are in for a big surprise - running you over.[/quote]

HAHA. 9-1 since playing the Ravens, ohhh man. Who cares since playing the Ravens, you played the Ravens before, you lost. You will play the Ravens again, and I dont know the outcome but i wouldnt be so excited if i were you.