Conclusions From Last Dolphins Game

[tweety]

Here are the highlights: [url="http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?game_id=29622&season=2008&displayPage=tab_gamecenter"]http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?game_id=2962...=tab_gamecenter[/url]

What will we see different from the Dolphins?
What should we do differently?

[Bullrush]

Their defense actually got worse. On offense i'd expect them to throw a lot of short passes especially to the RB/TE, and that's where Pennington excels at. Inside obviously we need Ngata to dominate the middle and Suggs and Pryce have to put some pressure on Chad. If we can do that we will be fine.

[tweety]

They had a lot of momentum to start the game..
Look at the way they spread the ball from the pass (4 different recievers over 45 yards).

I'd like to see more Clayton like the last game.

[soflaraven]

[quote name='Bullrush' post='115284' date='Dec 31 2008, 01:07 PM'][b]Their defense actually got worse.[/b] On offense i'd expect them to throw a lot of short passes especially to the RB/TE, and that's where Pennington excels at. Inside obviously we need Ngata to dominate the middle and Suggs and Pryce have to put some pressure on Chad. If we can do that we will be fine.[/quote]

Their is NO way the Dolphins defense got worse. Both sides of the football AND special teams have gotten A LOT better since then.

And you can say the same about us. We have gotten better since we've beaten the Dolphins as well

[Bullrush]

A lot better? They don't have a pass rush anymore, Porter is invisible. They played the Pats twice, the first time early in the season they shut them down. Later in the season they gave up about 50 points. They gave up over 30 points to the Chiefs. Early in the season they had a great running game, a great passing game with the wildcat formation and all the bigplays they created. Ronnie Brown was a non factor in the 2nd half of the season. He barely averaged 10 carries per game. Ricky Williams was ineffective.

They got lucky in the 2nd half of the season. Barely beat the Rams. Barely beat the Raiders. Barely beat the 49ers. Barely beat the Chiefs. Barely beat the Seahawks. Those teams are terrible. I was more impressed with them in the 1st half, when they handled the Pats, the Chargers, the Broncos. I don't remember the last time they really dominated somebody. I think that was in week 3 against the Patriots.

[Canes21]

i completely agree with you bullrush

[Ed_Reed20]

There are few things I would like to see the team do differently.

1) Anthony Fasano gave Leonhard some problems when the teams met earlier this year. Leonhard is probably going to be on Fasano again so I hope he covers him a bit better this time.

2) Pennington is an efficient QB but I think if Rex can pressure him early, it could screw up his rhythm.

3) Get Clayton involved! The Dolphins don't have have good corners and I think Clayton could abuse them if given the chance.

4) Pound the rock with McClain, McGahee. Flacco has shown he can make ALL the throws but I think the team could have a ton of success running the ball. All three backs offer different styles.

5) Get Rice some touches. With McClain and McGahee, I don't think the team will need Rice to run much but he's the most elusive back on the team so I hope Cam runs some screens and dump-offs to him.

[soflaraven]

[quote name='Bullrush' post='115293' date='Dec 31 2008, 01:46 PM']A lot better? They don't have a pass rush anymore, Porter is invisible. They played the Pats twice, the first time early in the season they shut them down. Later in the season they gave up about 50 points. They gave up over 30 points to the Chiefs. Early in the season they had a great running game, a great passing game with the wildcat formation and all the bigplays they created. Ronnie Brown was a non factor in the 2nd half of the season. He barely averaged 10 carries per game. Ricky Williams was ineffective.

They got lucky in the 2nd half of the season. Barely beat the Rams. Barely beat the Raiders. Barely beat the 49ers. Barely beat the Chiefs. Barely beat the Seahawks. Those teams are terrible. I was more impressed with them in the 1st half, when they handled the Pats, the Chargers, the Broncos. I don't remember the last time they really dominated somebody. I think that was in week 3 against the Patriots.[/quote]

Ronnie Brown didnt get any carries, not because he wasnt doing good, but because the coaches werent giving him any. The little carries he was given, he capitalized. The Dolphins gave up big points vs the Patriots, Chiefs, and Cardinals. That's 3 games, with one being the 2nd game of the season. The rest of the games were very low scoring games, aside from 1 or 2 games that we gave up like 20.

The barely beat the Rams, Raiders, 49ers, and Seahawks doesent support your argument since they gave up very little points against those teams.



The scores from this season:
vs Jets- 20 points
vs Zona- 31 points (who has Boldin and Fitzgerald at the time)- The secondary played awful for those games. That has improved tremendously.
vs NE- 13
vs SD- 17
vs Houston- 29
vs Baltimore- 27
vs Buffalo- 16. They were 5-1 at the time
vs Denver- 17
vs Seattle- 19
vs Oakland- 15
vs NE- 48. I'll give that one to you
vs St. Louis- 12
vs Buffalo- 3
vs SF- 9
vs KC- 31
vs NY- 17
[url="http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/teams/schedule/MIA"]http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/teams/schedule/MIA[/url]



The key for the Dolphins is the time of possession. The only game they've won when they didnt control that was vs SF, when the 49ers took the ball all the way down field, and chocked in the redzone, and had to settle for a FG.

But for you to say that the defense sucks, its an overstatement.

[codizzle]

[quote name='Bullrush' post='115284' date='Dec 31 2008, 12:07 PM']Their defense actually got worse. On offense i'd expect them to throw a lot of short passes especially to the RB/TE, and that's where Pennington excels at. Inside obviously we need Ngata to dominate the middle and Suggs and Pryce have to put some pressure on Chad. If we can do that we will be fine.[/quote]
over at the dolphins site they are talking about two interior d-lineman that are gonna be back for this game. dont remember who but they are saying they'll make a big difference and that they missed the first game

[Ronnie Brown # 23]

[quote name='codizzle' post='115325' date='Dec 31 2008, 03:41 PM']over at the dolphins site they are talking about two interior d-lineman that are gonna be back for this game. dont remember who but they are saying they'll make a big difference and that they missed the first game[/quote]

Jason Ferguson and Paul Solai, Fergy was hurt in the first qt, solai was suspended

[codizzle]

[quote name='Ronnie Brown # 23' post='115326' date='Dec 31 2008, 02:50 PM']Jason Ferguson and Paul Solai, Fergy was hurt in the first qt, solai was suspended[/quote]
thx couldnt remember ..

[Ronnie Brown # 23]

[quote name='Bullrush' post='115293' date='Dec 31 2008, 01:46 PM']A lot better? They don't have a pass rush anymore, Porter is invisible. They played the Pats twice, the first time early in the season they shut them down. Later in the season they gave up about 50 points. They gave up over 30 points to the Chiefs. Early in the season they had a great running game, a great passing game with the wildcat formation and all the bigplays they created. Ronnie Brown was a non factor in the 2nd half of the season. He barely averaged 10 carries per game. Ricky Williams was ineffective.

They got lucky in the 2nd half of the season. Barely beat the Rams. Barely beat the Raiders. Barely beat the 49ers. Barely beat the Chiefs. Barely beat the Seahawks. Those teams are terrible. I was more impressed with them in the 1st half, when they handled the Pats, the Chargers, the Broncos. I don't remember the last time they really dominated somebody. I think that was in week 3 against the Patriots.[/quote]

Don't have a rush? Watch the Jets game last week, Favre was on his back most of the game, no we didn't get any sacks but we deffinately put pressure on the qb. We absolutely shut down the Jets running game which is just as good as your running attack. Dude the 49ers we're 7-9 not exactly horrible...Teams like the Rams beat the cowboys,Seahawks beat the Jets and almost beat the Pats as well, Raiders beat the Jets, Raiders beat Tampa Bay, a team that needed to win that game to make the playoffs.... It's the NFL, anybody can beat anybody, we won those games didn't we and that's all that matters. Here's a little statistic for you, both the 2001 and 2003 Patriots had 10 games each year decided by 7 points or less. Good teams win the close games and beat the teams they should beat and some that they shouldn't and that's exactly what Miami did so show some respect.

[iHate]

lol get out of here ronnie brown. jets compare to our rushing game? citing ****ty teams that beat other ****ty teams as evidence? i dont see where you're going with any of your post

[Ronnie Brown # 23]

[quote name='iHate' post='115347' date='Dec 31 2008, 04:23 PM']lol get out of here ronnie brown. jets compare to our rushing game? citing ****ty teams that beat other ****ty teams as evidence? i dont see where you're going with any of your post[/quote]

So the cowboys,jets,pats and tampa are all crappy teams? I don't know where you've been but i could take a guess and one of them wouldn;'t be watching football. Yes look it up the Ravens only average 4.0 yards per carry, Jets average 4.7. Your offense is probably the most one dimensional offense in the league, not taalking trash just saying you guys average 37 attempts per game so if your running game is shut down that's a very hugeee and i mean huge blow.

[iHate]

[quote name='Ronnie Brown # 23' post='115356' date='Dec 31 2008, 04:39 PM']So the cowboys,jets,pats and tampa are all crappy teams? I don't know where you've been but i could take a guess and one of them wouldn;'t be watching football. Yes look it up the Ravens only average 4.0 yards per carry, Jets average 4.7. Y[b]our offense is probably the most one dimensional offense in the league[/b], not taalking trash just saying you guys average 37 attempts per game so if your running game is shut down that's a very hugeee and i mean huge blow.[/quote]


lol who hasn't been watching football agaiN!?!?!? none of the teams you cited even made the playoffs yes they're all badddd

[Ronnie Brown # 23]

[quote name='iHate' post='115359' date='Dec 31 2008, 04:44 PM']lol who hasn't been watching football agaiN!?!?!? none of the teams you cited even made the playoffs yes they're all badddd[/quote]

No just because they aren't in the playoffs doesn't make them bad? So going by your logic the Chargers are better then the Pats because they are in the playsoffs even though the Pats won 3 more game then they did so NE is bad? News flash buddy Jets beat Miami,thier in the playoffs,Tampa beats Raider thier in the playoffs, cowboys beat the eagles thier in the playoffs so then they'd automatically be good but since they didn't they are horrible? My point is anyone can beat anyone in the NFL and that noi game is a given and Miami won 11 of them and so did the Ravens so you can't go into a game and say it's an easy win.

[iHate]

no all of those teams ARE horrible, and just cause the eagles/chargers are in that doesnt mean they're good. those teams still blow too. ravens have not lost to a non-playoff team period.

[H8R]

[quote name='Ronnie Brown # 23' post='115356' date='Dec 31 2008, 04:39 PM']So the cowboys,jets,pats and tampa are all crappy teams? I don't know where you've been but i could take a guess and one of them wouldn;'t be watching football. Yes look it up the Ravens only average 4.0 yards per carry, Jets average 4.7. Your offense is probably the most one dimensional offense in the league, not taalking trash just saying you guys average 37 attempts per game so if your running game is shut down that's a very hugeee and i mean huge blow.[/quote]

You're questioning the Ravens run game? #4 Rushing attack in the league. One dimensional? You think that Flacco is not good enough to beat the Phins'? I don't think we'll even need Joe to throw for more then 22 times. The Phins give up 101 rushing yards per game. We avg 148 on the ground. We AVG more points per game, we give up less points per game, we rush for more yards per game, we have a better run and pass defense. Did I mention our DEFENSE is MUCH BETTER?

[Ronnie Brown # 23]

[quote name='iHate' post='115365' date='Dec 31 2008, 04:59 PM']no all of those teams ARE horrible, and just cause the eagles/chargers are in that doesnt mean they're good. those teams still blow too. ravens have not lost to a non-playoff team period.[/quote]

Thats so ignorant of you.. So basically thier are 25 teams in the NFL that absolutely are horrible and suck? 26 including my Dolphins most likely, you know what your right i'm going to call the NFL right now and tell them that they should kick those 26 teams out of the NFL because they are so bad and we'll have the NFL be just the Ravens, Panthers, Giants,Colts, Steelers and the Titans you know since the rest of the NFL is entirely horrible

[iHate]

good idea

[heapitup247]

[quote name='Ronnie Brown # 23' post='115361' date='Dec 31 2008, 04:53 PM']No just because they aren't in the playoffs doesn't make them bad? So going by your logic the Chargers are better then the Pats because they are in the playsoffs even though the Pats won 3 more game then they did so NE is bad? News flash buddy Jets beat Miami,thier in the playoffs,Tampa beats Raider thier in the playoffs, cowboys beat the eagles thier in the playoffs so then they'd automatically be good but since they didn't they are horrible? My point is anyone can beat anyone in the NFL and that noi game is a given and Miami won 11 of them and so did the Ravens so you can't go into a game and say it's an easy win.[/quote]

I in no way shape or form think its going to be a blowout or an easy win (i still think we're gunna win, but im a ravens fan so i always do). If the jets beat you, theyre not in the playoffs. I almost think that they knew that and it mightve dealt a little bit of a blow to them. Chargers probably better than the patriots. I would like the chargers vs any team thats not the colts. Hes trying to say that you're unproven against teams youre going to be playing in the playoffs, and you cant argue that.

[soflaraven]

[quote name='heapitup247' post='115375' date='Dec 31 2008, 05:09 PM']I in no way shape or form think its going to be a blowout or an easy win (i still think we're gunna win, but im a ravens fan so i always do). If the jets beat you, theyre not in the playoffs. I almost think that they knew that and it mightve dealt a little bit of a blow to them. Chargers probably better than the patriots. I would like the chargers vs any team thats not the colts. Hes trying to say that you're unproven against teams youre going to be playing in the playoffs, and you cant argue that.[/quote]
The Dolphins beat the Chargers, so youre saying that the Dolphins beat the 2nd best team in the NFL

[Ronnie Brown # 23]

[quote name='H8R' post='115367' date='Dec 31 2008, 05:00 PM']You're questioning the Ravens run game? #4 Rushing attack in the league. One dimensional? You think that Flacco is not good enough to beat the Phins'? I don't think we'll even need Joe to throw for more then 22 times. The Phins give up 101 rushing yards per game. We avg 148 on the ground. We AVG more points per game, we give up less points per game, we rush for more yards per game, we have a better run and pass defense. Did I mention our DEFENSE is MUCH BETTER? [/quote]

Yes generally when you run alot more then you pass that means your one dimensional and no i don't think Flacco is good enough to beat us or for that matter many NFL teams without a rushing attack, very few qbs can, never mind a very good rookie but when compared to the rest of the qbs in the playoffs a very average one at that. The stats you just threw out proves that they are one dimensional. I never said that our defense was better then yours?

[Ronnie Brown # 23]

[quote name='heapitup247' post='115375' date='Dec 31 2008, 05:09 PM']I in no way shape or form think its going to be a blowout or an easy win (i still think we're gunna win, but im a ravens fan so i always do). If the jets beat you, theyre not in the playoffs. I almost think that they knew that and it mightve dealt a little bit of a blow to them. Chargers probably better than the patriots. I would like the chargers vs any team thats not the colts. Hes trying to say that you're unproven against teams youre going to be playing in the playoffs, and [b]you cant argue that.[/b][/quote]

Wrong...you even said it yourself you'd take the Chargers over any team except the Colts and we beat the Charger 38-13. We have one win against a playoff team as do you as your only win is against us. The Dolphins are the best team you beat and you did it without both our starting DT and backup DT so that gives us a huge weakness and the Ravens strong point on thier offense is thier rushing attack. Yes i don't blame you for thinking the Ravens will win, i think the dolphins will win every week too it's part of being a fan, what i'm argueing is to the ppl that think it's going to be a blow out.

[SteelersProphet]

[quote name='iHate' post='115374' date='Dec 31 2008, 05:09 PM']good idea[/quote]

hahaha.....awesome

[kash96ravenstotalfan]

[quote name='Ronnie Brown # 23' post='115356' date='Dec 31 2008, 04:39 PM']So the cowboys,jets,pats and tampa are all crappy teams? I don't know where you've been but i could take a guess and one of them wouldn;'t be watching football. Yes look it up the Ravens only average 4.0 yards per carry, Jets average 4.7. Your offense is probably the most one dimensional offense in the league, not taalking trash just saying you guys average 37 attempts per game so if your running game is shut down that's a very hugeee and i mean huge blow.[/quote]
Are you actually saying that the fins will shut down our running game? I'll take some of whatever you are smoking, please LOL GO RAVENS

[heapitup247]

[quote name='Ronnie Brown # 23' post='115382' date='Dec 31 2008, 05:17 PM']Wrong...you even said it yourself you'd take the Chargers over any team except the Colts and we beat the Charger 38-13. We have one win against a playoff team as do you as your only win is against us. The Dolphins are the best team you beat and you did it without both our starting DT and backup DT so that gives us a huge weakness and the Ravens strong point on thier offense is thier rushing attack. Yes i don't blame you for thinking the Ravens will win, i think the dolphins will win every week too it's part of being a fan, what i'm argueing is to the ppl that think it's going to be a blow out.[/quote]

Ah but you beat the old chargers, not the new, improved chargers. In the same respect we havnt beaten the new, improved dolphins. Its gunna be an entirely different game so i agree with you in that respect. As far as injuries go we had rolle out and an injured fabian in(which sadly might happen again). Injuries have hit us much harder than you. Im just saying that you did have the 30th SOS in the league. You cant argue that. Its not your fault you did, but you did.

[Ronnie Brown # 23]

[quote name='heapitup247' post='115393' date='Dec 31 2008, 05:35 PM']Ah but you beat the old chargers, not the new, improved chargers. In the same respect we havnt beaten the new, improved dolphins. Its gunna be an entirely different game so i agree with you in that respect. As far as injuries go we had rolle out and an injured fabian in(which sadly might happen again). Injuries have hit us much harder than you. Im just saying that you did have the[b] 30th SOS in the league[/b]. You cant argue that. Its not your fault you did, but you did.[/quote]

Yes but it's not like you guys beat the harder teams on your schedule either. The teams you guys actually beat we're teams that we're average to sucky just like us:

Baltimore Wins
Cincy (4-11-1)
Clev (4-12)
Miami (11-5)
Oak (5-11)
Clev (4-12)
Hous (8-8)
Philly (9-6-1)
Cincy (4-11-1)
Wash (8-8)
Dallas (9-7)
Jax (5-11)
71-102-3

Loss:
Pitt (12-4)
Tenn (13-3)
Indy (12-4)
NYG (12-4)
pitt (12-4)
61-19

Miami
wins:
NE (11-5)
SD (8-8)
Buff (7-9)
Buff (7-9)
Den (8-8)
Sea (4-12)
Oak (5-11)
stl (2-14)
sf (7-9)
KC (2-14)
NYJ (9-7)
(70-106)

Loss:
NE (11-5)
NYJ (9-7)
ARI (9-7)
Balt (11-5)
Hous (8-8)
(48-32)

Yes the teams you've lost to have been better but then again it's still a loss.

[soflaraven]

[quote name='heapitup247' post='115393' date='Dec 31 2008, 05:35 PM']Ah but you beat the old chargers, not the new, improved chargers. In the same respect we havnt beaten the new, improved dolphins. Its gunna be an entirely different game so i agree with you in that respect. As far as injuries go we had rolle out and an injured fabian in(which sadly might happen again). Injuries have hit us much harder than you. Im just saying that you did have the 30th SOS in the league. You cant argue that. Its not your fault you did, but you did.[/quote]
Chargers were 1-2 I believe and one of the losses was because of Hochuli

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

[quote name='Ronnie Brown # 23' post='115343' date='Dec 31 2008, 04:19 PM']Don't have a rush? Watch the Jets game last week, Favre was on his back most of the game, no we didn't get any sacks but we deffinately put pressure on the qb. We absolutely shut down the Jets running game which is just as good as your running attack. Dude the 49ers we're 7-9 not exactly horrible...Teams like the Rams beat the cowboys,Seahawks beat the Jets and almost beat the Pats as well, Raiders beat the Jets, Raiders beat Tampa Bay, a team that needed to win that game to make the playoffs.... It's the NFL, anybody can beat anybody, we won those games didn't we and that's all that matters. Here's a little statistic for you, both the 2001 and 2003 Patriots had 10 games each year decided by 7 points or less. Good teams win the close games and beat the teams they should beat and some that they shouldn't and that's exactly what Miami did so show some respect.[/quote]
Your point about Favre doesnt support your argument. He held a 2/9 TD/INT ratio in the last 5 games. Your pass rush was not the reason for those turn overs neither. It was the poor decision making since he was comfortable in the pocket during at least 2 of the 3 interceptions. And even with shutting him down, you finished 25th in Pass Defense this Season. As well as Ronnie Brown has played, he finished with merely 79 more overall yards than he had in just 7 games last year. And with the porous performance of AFC backs, he's still considered by many to be undeserving of the Pro Bowl pick, with Steve Slaton originally projected to hold the 3rd spot. Even with the other backs, your rushing attack isnt even within the Top 10. Please reference facts before making your points.