FAs to Consider: DBs

[FlocksGottaFeed]

if cary is signed : who has the over or under on 1 day until cary vs steve smith for the first camp fight of 2015

I think Cary already knows not to pull on Superman's cape. LOL

[52520Andrew]

Cary Williams isn't my favorite player but we were an adequate CB away from the Super Bowl this past year.

[757RavensFan]

"IF" Cary comes back and Webb is extended, I don't see a CB drafted in the 1st two rounds.

[Purple_City39]

One thing Cary has over both Jimmy and Webb is he can actually stay healthy.  I don't think he's missed a game since being named starter in 2011 and I definitely think we beat New England with him.

 

I'd take him back with a 2 year, 4-6M contract without question

[redrum52]

Am I the only one who doesn't want Cary back and doesn't care even if it's at a discount?

Everyone complains about the off coverage. I highly doubt he fares much better than Melvin did against the Pats And keeps younger guys off the field from progressing in game. We kicked this tire before and let's remember that he should've been kicked out of the SB. I respect him working his way up to a starter, but he was kicked off an Eagles secondary that was bad as well. I, personally, don't think it's worth it.

[757RavensFan]

Am I the only one who doesn't want Cary back and doesn't care even if it's at a discount?

Everyone complains about the off coverage. I highly doubt he fares much better than Melvin did against the Pats And keeps younger guys off the field from progressing in game. We kicked this tire before and let's remember that he should've been kicked out of the SB. I respect him working his way up to a starter, but he was kicked off an Eagles secondary that was bad as well. I, personally, don't think it's worth it.

 

You're not alone.  He trashed his coach (Kelley) in the media and he's truly a hot head!  The Ravens have did pretty well last year w/the personal foul penalties (the after the whistle fouls). I'm sure they'll go up if he comes back.  I'll pass.  

[GrimCoconut]

Am I the only one who doesn't want Cary back and doesn't care even if it's at a discount?

Everyone complains about the off coverage. I highly doubt he fares much better than Melvin did against the Pats And keeps younger guys off the field from progressing in game. We kicked this tire before and let's remember that he should've been kicked out of the SB. I respect him working his way up to a starter, but he was kicked off an Eagles secondary that was bad as well. I, personally, don't think it's worth it.

I definitely understand your stance and share similar concerns. I suppose I'm a bit more lenient considering beggars can't be choosers, but I do think we should consider him. 

[Jon_21]

Am I the only one who doesn't want Cary back and doesn't care even if it's at a discount?

Everyone complains about the off coverage. I highly doubt he fares much better than Melvin did against the Pats And keeps younger guys off the field from progressing in game. We kicked this tire before and let's remember that he should've been kicked out of the SB. I respect him working his way up to a starter, but he was kicked off an Eagles secondary that was bad as well. I, personally, don't think it's worth it.

 

Something to consider is Jimmy will match-up with the #1's.  Webb can rule the slot like back in the day.  Cary would be used on the outside but against the weaker WR. 

 

He's got that Ravens swagger and anything along the lines of 2-3 years at $2M/season would be a steal.

[Militant X 1]

See, unlike most; I love the trash talkers and hot headed players that speak their minds like Cary Williams and Bernard Pollard.  Primarily, as long as their play on the field backs it up!  Cary wasn't the greatest DB but he wasn't that bad when he played for us either.  And dare I say it.....that he is a "veteran" DB that could bring leadership and tremendous confidence to the younger DB's.  I'm not saying that he will return and neither am I saying that I'd be against it if he did.

[rmw10]

I'm glad some people are realizing that Cary wasn't near as terrible as so many made him out to be.  He's a big upgrade over what we threw out there last year.

[Mt. Crushmore]

I'd gladly take Cary back.  Was never worth the money he got in free agency, but is still a decent CB.

[Wacko4Zacko]

Interesting article here guys. 

http://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2015/3/4/8147323/cary-williams-would-be-a-welcomed-addition-to-the-ravens

[lgcs27288]

At 30 and our cap, he would have to be cheap. Im all for it if it means we can draft some young offensive weapons early in the draft.

[berad]

Interesting article here guys. 

http://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2015/3/4/8147323/cary-williams-would-be-a-welcomed-addition-to-the-ravens

 

Merged with existing FA DB thread

[Ravenslifer]

I'd like Cary back - he is who he always was, a solid starter that had some size and could match up against decent receivers - still gets burned by top receivers and QBs, but then again nobody ever said he was supposed to be as good as Jimmy Smith.  The problem is simply some teams out there thought he was better than he really is - if you get him at the right price he's a great fit here and already knows the role he's expected to play.

[cobrajet]

I actually wanted us to find a way to pay Corey Graham last season. And yes we could have somehow. Now that I got that off my chest, I will pass on Cary Williams. Maybe Marcus Peters falls to us in the draft.

[TonyTone1192]

Chancellor or Earl Thomas prototype. We need an enforcer in the middle.

Terrence Brooks bro.

[TonyTone1192]

I actually wanted us to find a way to pay Corey Graham last season. And yes we could have somehow. Now that I got that off my chest, I will pass on Cary Williams. Maybe Marcus Peters falls to us in the draft.

Talent wise, yes on peters.

Character wise, most definitely not. They say kid has an issue with authority. He an harbs would not co-exist.

[TonyTone1192]

See, unlike most; I love the trash talkers and hot headed players that speak their minds like Cary Williams and Bernard Pollard. Primarily, as long as their play on the field backs it up! Cary wasn't the greatest DB but he wasn't that bad when he played for us either. And dare I say it.....that he is a "veteran" DB that could bring leadership and tremendous confidence to the younger DB's. I'm not saying that he will return and neither am I saying that I'd be against it if he did.

I completely agree with you, but when that hot head mantra creates rifts in the locker room due to the fact that they "speak their minds" that then becomes an internal issue and a major one. We knew perfectly well what we were getting when we inked Sr to a deal, but we also knew that he leaves all of his talking on the field.

[cobrajet]

Talent wise, yes on peters.

Character wise, most definitely not. They say kid has an issue with authority. He an harbs would not co-exist.

I can respect your feelings on that. I am still undecided on how I feel about his incident because I have done some reading on this. It seems the young guy has matured and is saying all the right things now and this incident was a life lesson, However, it is certainly possible that an agent has coached him up on what to say in order to help his case in the draft and he may not really be all that sincere. As Militant X eluded to, I like guys that play with an aggressive attitude, but you have to also be careful that they don't become malcontents if they don't like what a coach has to say. I think at this point in time, our FO is extra careful on drafting guys that had past issues. A guy that comes to mind is Vontaze Burfict, who many on here wanted as our first round pick and he ended up going undrafted.

[jazz1988]

Am I the only one who doesn't want Cary back and doesn't care even if it's at a discount?

Everyone complains about the off coverage. I highly doubt he fares much better than Melvin did against the Pats And keeps younger guys off the field from progressing in game. We kicked this tire before and let's remember that he should've been kicked out of the SB. I respect him working his way up to a starter, but he was kicked off an Eagles secondary that was bad as well. I, personally, don't think it's worth it.

 

I like Melvin potentials but at this point can't really say Melvin is a better cover corner than Cary Williams. One thing for sure I highly doubt The Patriots would have tried that trick play against Cary Williams like they did  against Melvin. I don't remember Cary Williams ever being a terrible tackler as well  so It's probably fair to say he would have made the tackles that Melvin missed.

 

Cary Williams wasn't bad for The Eagles last season and was mention to have had his best season last year. One of the main reasons Cary Williams was released by The Eagles is his mouth. He called out Chip Kelly  for  working his players too hard during practice and just for that he was let go.

[redrum52]

I like Melvin potentials but at this point can't really say Melvin is a better cover corner than Cary Williams. One thing for sure I highly doubt The Patriots would have tried that trick play against Cary Williams like they did against Melvin. I don't remember Cary Williams ever being a terrible tackler as well so It's probably fair to say he would have made the tackles that Melvin missed.

Cary Williams wasn't bad for The Eagles last season and was mention to have had his best season last year. One of the main reasons Cary Williams was released by The Eagles is his mouth. He called out Chip Kelly for working his players too hard during practice and just for that he was let go.

I wasn't saying Cary was worse than him, but that that I don't think the talent difference is that large. The difference is that Melvin has more upside.

Even the Seahawks struggled tackling early against the Patriots. After watching the SB, I think it's more a product of their system and personnel. And I can't say for sure where he ranked, but I don't think he had a good year last year, or the year before. Almost every Eagles fan I've seen, has been waiting for this move to be made.

[stopyellingatthetv]

I completely agree with you, but when that hot head mantra creates rifts in the locker room due to the fact that they "speak their minds" that then becomes an internal issue and a major one. We knew perfectly well what we were getting when we inked Sr to a deal, but we also knew that he leaves all of his talking on the field.

With all the stuff that is happening with the Eagles now with the cuts and Oregon pick-ups, Williams might not have been that far off. There were never issues like that with him when he was with us previously. With Webb, Smith, and Jackson so prone to injuries, I think he would be a great veteran to have on our roster to mentor our younger guys and he plays with fire. He is going to be on the cheaper side, we sign him for 2 years for a minimal deal, I think he brings a lot of positives. 

[BmoreBird22]

I was never a big Cary Williams fan when he was in Baltimore, but honestly, if he got a cheap contract to come here, I would welcome him back.

[alkutbay]

What about Nate Allen as a safety free agent? Is he out of the ravens price range?

[GrimCoconut]

What about Nate Allen as a safety free agent? Is he out of the ravens price range?

He's been a major disappointment.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Flowers is negotiating with the chargers right now and a deal is close. Don't think he'll hit the market.

Maxwell was in Philly yesterday. I think he ends up there right away, but if not it'll be jax or Atlanta.

Kareem Jackson resigned with Houston - gone.

I don't think the FO sees cb as a need like we seem to. With Smith and Webb, Melvin will be cheap and I think they see him as a solid #3. Then with Asa and maybe Gorrer were pretty good; I don't think they'll want to use the limited cap space on the position.

Cary Williams is the only FA cb I could see them bringing on, but that's only if hes reasonable as to what his true value is. But he would be a good #3, allowing Webb to move into the slot in nickle situations with the ability to step in as a starter if there's injury problems. Knows the defense,,,

I think safety, TE, edge rusher and rb are the biggest priorities. Forsett will be resigned. I could see either Rolle, a Landry or Nate Allen coming in to pair with Hill as they'll be cheap and fit what we do.

I think TE is the position where we'll make a splash.

[rmw10]

Flowers is negotiating with the chargers right now and a deal is close. Don't think he'll hit the market.

Maxwell was in Philly yesterday. I think he ends up there right away, but if not it'll be jax or Atlanta.

Kareem Jackson resigned with Houston - gone.

I don't think the FO sees cb as a need like we seem to. With Smith and Webb, Melvin will be cheap and I think they see him as a solid #3. Then with Asa and maybe Gorrer were pretty good; I don't think they'll want to use the limited cap space on the position.

Cary Williams is the only FA cb I could see them bringing on, but that's only if hes reasonable as to what his true value is. But he would be a good #3, allowing Webb to move into the slot in nickle situations with the ability to step in as a starter if there's injury problems. Knows the defense,,,

I think safety, TE, edge rusher and rb are the biggest priorities. Forsett will be resigned. I could see either Rolle, a Landry or Nate Allen coming in to pair with Hill as they'll be cheap and fit what we do.

I think TE is the position where we'll make a splash.

 

The FA would be crazy if they didn't add anyone at CB.  Not only are our starters questionable, but the depth is as well.  I think we can confidently say that next man up really isn't an option.

 

Jimmy Smith is coming off of a lisfranc injury.  He's really good when healthy obviously, but he only has one 16 game season to his name out of 4 years.  Webb has had his injury problems as well and there's no guarantee he's even on the team.  Not to mention, he looks like shades of his former self.  Melvin showed some potential but the Patriots exposed him badly.  Jackson is oft injured as well and honestly not that good.

 

There are tons of question marks there.  We'd be foolish not to consider CB one of our top needs, and we'd be even more foolish if we expected to go into next season with the same group and expect better results.  Smith and Webb are a really good duo when healthy, but that may not be the case and we really don't have much depth behind them.