Ravens Signings and Re-signings (actual and speculation)

[TCStephens24]

If we end up losing Forsett what do you guys think about Roy Helu Jr.? He's got nice size, he's young, he's fairly shifty, and he can also catch out of the backfield. He won't have much wear and tear on his legs either since he's been behind Alfred Morris the past couple seasons. When given opportunities he has been productive.

[omar586]

dont panic the season hasn't started yet. its just the offseason, who thought the daniels & forrsetts signings last offseason were good,

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

I was a little surprised but I understand the logic.  The tender allows us to keep him at a very low price and still gives us the chance to match another teams offer.

 

I doubt a team would go after him with any sort of long term deal or something we can't match due to his history and the fact that his next suspension would be an entire season.  

 

If a team does come in I don't think Ozzie would hesitate to match the offer within reason.  He's more valuable to us than other teams out there.

 

I wouldnt be so sure. With the amount of teams that went in hard for McCourty there's definitely a market for Will Hill. There just arent many safeties his caliber in the league. He's very young and still developing. He was a top 15 safety last year in a new system and without an offseason to prepare.

 

The Eagles are desperate for a safety and have tons of money to burn. Chip's a big "culture" guy so maybe that will keep him away, but there are a lot of teams with a lot of money... and without even having to give up a pick for Hill theres really no reason not to offer him a contract if you think he has the potential to be a great player. 

 

And if that happens, some of those teams can make offers that we simply cannot match even if we wanted to. I'm getting a little nervous about losing Hill. The only thing that is keeping me optimistic is that Hill was campaigning to bring Rolle to Baltimore to play alongside him. I get the feeling that Will Hill wants to be here - and since he has the right to refuse another team's offer, there's a little hope that he'd give us every opportunity to make a fair offer to stay on board.

 

My feeling is that with Hill, our secondary is in pretty good shape. We could use a little depth, but the starting group has the potential to be very good with Hill, Jimmy and Webb and then a camp battle between Elam, Brooks, Levine, Trawick and one of either Miles or Darian Stewart (my guess would be Miles with his ST prowess and the fact that he played pretty well down the stretch).

 

Take Hill out of the equation and I dont feel like we have a legitimate starter at the safety position on the roster. I like Brooks and think he'll develop into a good starter, but I believe I heard that he may not even be ready for the start of the season. Hill might just be the most important guy to bring back into the fold - the fact that they gave him an original round tender with him being an undrafted guy scares me. Nothing to keep other teams away.

[RavensFanMania]

If we end up losing Forsett what do you guys think about Roy Helu Jr.? He's got nice size, he's young, he's fairly shifty, and he can also catch out of the backfield. He won't have much wear and tear on his legs either since he's been behind Alfred Morris the past couple seasons. When given opportunities he has been productive.

I can tell you one thing, he can't block worth crap.

[sflegend89]

Nothing like making a massive investment in Joe and giving him no real weapons... Draft isn't enough for our offense the way things are going. We need to cut Ngata and restructure Webb, it sucks parting ways with a player like Ngata but we have to add someone quality to our offense before the draft. As much as I like Camp and Aiken this is a bleak group of weapons for Joe even if we add a 1st round wr.

 

As much as I want secondary help the offense has jumped to priority #1, we need at least one new weapon for Joe before the draft even if it costs us Ngata. We have Pitta and his hip, Daniels is UFA, Smith Sr. is likely playing his last season, Camp and Aiken are talented but still very unpolished, Marlon has a low ceiling, Forsett might very well be gone... we just had the SB champs in deep water in their house, is 2015 really going to turn into a transition year like 2013 after being on he cusp of a SB birth?

Edited March 10, 2015 by sflegend89

[omar586]

in terms of the offense the ravens will bring in AJ & TE from FA pool, add depth through draft.

[sflegend89]

in terms of the offense the ravens will bring in AJ & TE from FA pool, add depth through draft.

 

I really hope we can land AJ, that would be a game changer. Then bring back Daniels and get a decent corner and sit tight until the draft. That's not too much to ask for right? Why do I get the feeling what we actually do in FA will be extremely underwhelming? 

[da vegas raven]

Bring in AJ draft BPA and if we dont get a reciver trade for blackmon

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

I really hope we can land AJ, that would be a game changer. Then bring back Daniels and get a decent corner and sit tight until the draft. That's not too much to ask for right? Why do I get the feeling what we actually do in FA will be extremely underwhelming? 

 

Id love to bring in Andre. He fits the mold of an Ozzie signing... a vet just ending his prime, cut from his team and with something to prove. We could likely get him for around the $7 mill we were willing to offer Torrey, maybe even a bit less. Obviously less in terms of years.

 

Bring in Andre on a 2-3 year deal, and he and Steve Smith can help keep each other fresh and productive while mentoring and bringing along Marlon, Aiken and Camp. I'd like to see us also go WR in the 1st round and land either Strong or DGB. Strong reminds me of a more athletic Boldin with strong hands, ability to fight for contested catches and a polished route runner. DGB has red flags but may have the most upside of any WR in the draft based on pure talent. He's incredibly raw but has shown flashes of dominance based on pure athleticism and natural talent alone. In the right situation he could be the good side of Josh Gordon. The risk is, he could easily be the downside of Josh Gordon as well.

 

Andre would be a great fit since we're keeping Kubiaks offense and he knows it so well... plus Trestman brings a little more to the table in terms of passing philosophy so that could play really well in terms of being the best fit for Andre with a combination of scheme fit and opportunity to continue to be the #1 guy. Denver is a great fit with Kubiak but he'd be playing 3rd fiddle to Thomas and Sanders - something he didnt seem to want to do in Houston.

 

Indy is another fit, but again would be 2nd fiddle to Hilton and they seem to want to create a larger role for Moncrief. Dont know that andre wants that. Pats will always come up as a landing spot for receivers like him.... but again would be behind Gronk and Edelman in terms of pecking order.

 

Here he would come in and immediately be the go-to guy, have the best QB he's ever worked with, play in a system hes comfortable with and thrived in, plus play for a legitimate contender.

 

I'm really liking our chances to land him -- and not worried about the cap space. If Ozzie wants him he'll find a way to make it work. Ngata will be resolved one way or another tomorrow and that space will be more than enough to bring in Andre. If we can get Webb to restructure, we could potentially also resign Forsett or bring in Gresham or even Cameron. 

 

It's a perfect fit for both the Ravens and Andre for him to come here. I really like our chances.

[52520Andrew]

Eh I don't know if I would have gone with an original round tender on Hill, I think a team could look to snag him from us and we wouldn't get anything in compensation since he was an undrafted player. They probably know something I don't although it should be interesting to monitor. 

[BmoreBird22]

Well, it's called "Strong Safety" because he plays on the Strong Side, right?!?

Correct, he's typically tasked with covering the tight end or back

[BmoreBird22]

I'm really surprised we gave Will Hill the tender we did. That's a shocker. It almost makes me wonder if we're hoping someone offers him a deal so we can match it. I suspect that could be the case.

I was actually thinking this this morning. Let another team set his market value without too much risk of losing him

[GrimCoconut]

I was actually thinking this this morning. Let another team set his market value without too much risk of losing him

Yeah that's how I see it. I also think that we may still get a compensatory pick if we lose him. We just won't get a pick until next year. I'm admittedly not sure about that, though, so that is more of a question than a statement.

[BmoreBird22]

Yeah that's how I see it. I also think that we may still get a compensatory pick if we lose him. We just won't get a pick until next year. I'm admittedly not sure about that, though, so that is more of a question than a statement.

I wouldn't think you would because you have the option to get compensation by actually tendering him with a pick and they didn't

[The Mom Gene]

I really hope we can land AJ, that would be a game changer. Then bring back Daniels and get a decent corner and sit tight until the draft. That's not too much to ask for right? Why do I get the feeling what we actually do in FA will be extremely underwhelming? 

I had a friend ask me how the Ravens ended up in this CAP mess...  My answer is that...  We tend not to build our team in Free Agency.  It's very difficult to do that.  We build our team in the draft.  We get these guys that actually tend to perform well in their rookie contract, with the foundation of great players around them... and then they go out there and look for the big bucks....  They tend to get the money, but some of them find that they lack longevity elsewhere.  Look at the Dolphins. That's a perfect example... They try and build from FA.  They overpay for these guys and they don't have the other pieces around them in order that they can perform up to their expectations...  Ellerbe will be gone today.....

 

I see us doing more in the draft again...  bringing in the guys we need there.

But we are in the mess, because we have a lot of good players that have been paid.... and others that are looking for their payday... and we can't afford both.

[PurpleCity5]

I'm a little shocked about Hill's tender but I think F.O got something up their sleeve.

Speaking of which, Sizzle restructured...

Edited March 10, 2015 by PurpleCity5

[The Mom Gene]

I'm a little shocked about Hill's tender but I think F.O got something up their sleeve.

Speaking of which, Sizzle restructured...

I actually think they have a plan in place...  as usual!!!

Suggs restructured.... again?  Good for him!

[PurpleCity5]

Yeah that's how I see it. I also think that we may still get a compensatory pick if we lose him. We just won't get a pick until next year. I'm admittedly not sure about that, though, so that is more of a question than a statement.

Do we get the comp pick, I don't know if we get one since Hill was undrafted.

[Moderator 3]

@RavensInsider: Terrell Suggs' new salary-cap figures for 2016 ($7.45 million), 2017 ($6.95 million) and 2018 ($6.95 million)

@RavensInsider: Terrell Suggs restructured his contract, created $2.25 million in salary-cap space: http://t.co/nEcKjUbmSs

Hadn't expected that but gives us room to sign a rookie anyhow.

[Moderator 3]

Do we get the comp pick, I don't know if we get one since Hill was undrafted.

No.

[BmoreBird22]

I had a friend ask me how the Ravens ended up in this CAP mess...  My answer is that...  We tend not to build our team in Free Agency.  It's very difficult to do that.  We build our team in the draft.  We get these guys that actually tend to perform well in their rookie contract, with the foundation of great players around them... and then they go out there and look for the big bucks....  They tend to get the money, but some of them find that they lack longevity elsewhere.  Look at the Dolphins. That's a perfect example... They try and build from FA.  They overpay for these guys and they don't have the other pieces around them in order that they can perform up to their expectations...  Ellerbe will be gone today.....

 

I see us doing more in the draft again...  bringing in the guys we need there.

It's partially that and partially bad contracts. The Ravens draft well and take care of their own, and in the process, they've had some bad contracts. I was telling my grandfather that it comes down to four contacts for me. 1. Ngata. His massive cap hit is the highest on the team and while he was a cornerstone for a while, he hasn't played up to that in a while. The only reason we may have seen a resurgence from him this year is because of amphetamine use. 2. Lardarius Webb. They really couldn't see this one coming, but his injuries make this such a terrible contact that's handicapping the team. If he doesn't take a pay cut, he'll likely get cut next year because he's just not worth it. 3. Ray Rice. Other than costing the team $9M+ now, running backs are just a dime a dozen, especially when your offensive line is as good as the Ravens line. The Cowboys are learning that as well with the way they've drafted lineman out the butt. 4. Dennis Pitta. I still feel like this was a very dumb contract and did before he got injured. He just suffered a possible career ending injury, so here, let's make him one of the higher paid tight ends in the league off of one good, not great, season. Uh, what?

I'm not suggesting I could do the cap any better and I understand the tightness of the cap now almost dictates back loaded contracts and the only way to stop this is to blow everything up and start over, but at the same time, I wish Ozzie would work out a few contacts like that of Aaron Rodgers. Not a single cap hit over $20M. That's insane

[BmoreBird22]

@RavensInsider: Terrell Suggs' new salary-cap figures for 2016 ($7.45 million), 2017 ($6.95 million) and 2018 ($6.95 million)

@RavensInsider: Terrell Suggs restructured his contract, created $2.25 million in salary-cap space: http://t.co/nEcKjUbmSs

Hadn't expected that but gives us room to sign a rookie anyhow.

Haloti, Webb, take a page

[GrimCoconut]

I wouldn't think you would because you have the option to get compensation by actually tendering him with a pick and they didn't

Yeah but I'm not entirely sure either. First glance you'd suggest we won't but then again, if he's technically a free agent then perhaps we would? It's a tricky situation. I'm going to research it some.

[PurpleCity5]

No.

Ah, wow. It would suck to lose him, I think F.O is doing some planning...

[The Raven]

Haloti, Webb, take a page

 

Well in fairness, he restructured. Webb and Ngata are being asked to take paycuts or extensions.

[BmoreBird22]

Well in fairness, he restructured. Webb and Ngata are being asked to take paycuts or extensions.

I'm just more thinking of helping the team some and doing what it takes to get the team the needed cap room to be a contender. I can't imagine either of those two would be happy if the Ravens had a losing season and then Webb got cut and Ngata retired

[balfan23]

@RavensInsider: Terrell Suggs' new salary-cap figures for 2016 ($7.45 million), 2017 ($6.95 million) and 2018 ($6.95 million)

@RavensInsider: Terrell Suggs restructured his contract, created $2.25 million in salary-cap space: http://t.co/nEcKjUbmSs

Hadn't expected that but gives us room to sign a rookie anyhow.

Part of the way the FO is not going to leave any stone unturned in seeking to free cap space. Glad Sizzle was agreeable to work something out. 

[BmoreBird22]

Well in fairness, he restructured. Webb and Ngata are being asked to take paycuts or extensions.

And as far as I know, you can take a pay cut and still earn that money back. I think Manning can earn all $4M of his money back from incentives, several of which he will probably reach, but he's still able to provide immediate cap relief

[The Raven]

And as far as I know, you can take a pay cut and still earn that money back. I think Manning can earn all $4M of his money back from incentives, several of which he will probably reach, but he's still able to provide immediate cap relief

 

This is true. 

 

I'm starting to think that Ngata is noncommittal for 2016, and that is getting in the way of an extension. 

[Sami84]

i mentioned in a thread last year that THIS year would be horrendous for the FO

 

Its beyond that. We really really are in the crap..and if Will Hill is now given an offer we can't match ( with no 2nd round tender) then frankly this offseason is already a fail for me. We won't be able to do anything but get denarius moore type players.

 

sorry but that won't cut it.