Ravens Signings and Re-signings (actual and speculation)

[BmoreBird22]

It all depends on the scheme, and more schemes are pushing to interchangeable safeties that can play free or strong. We're in that same boat.

 

Agree to disagree.

Nope, I agree with you. It's very rare that you can actually have the strong safety be the in the box guy, unless you have Ed Reed or Earl Thomas, but that's the ideal scenario and that doesn't happen very often at all.

Even in schemes like Seattle's, your strong safety needs to be able to cover in some capacity, especially over the middle, and in a lot of cases recently, he needs to be able to play the slot or tight end. We're getting to the point where it might be easier to say safety than free or strong

[PurpleCity5]

If Hill gets an offer elsewhere, I wouldn't mind bringing Pollard back. Bringing him and Cary back would inject some attitude into this defense that was missed last year. Brooks at FS, Pollard back at SS and drafting a SS to groom behind Pollard would really improve our secondary.

I think it would just be better to have Elam at SS than Pollard. Save more money and at least we can fulfill what Oz said when he challenged him to play like a first rounder. Also, with how Pollard has been playing recently, I doubt he'd be that high of an upgrade over Elam. 

[BmoreBird22]

Janikowski was a first round pick for Oakland. I mena it is Oakland but...

The prior year, they lost something like six or seven games by three points or less and a lot of those losses were due to poor special teams play, so it's not like it was a complete shocker

[PurpleCity5]

Janikowski was a first round pick for Oakland. I mena it is Oakland but...

It's Oakland...But then again they were real during those days, but now....it's just Oakland....

[ravensnick]

The prior year, they lost something like six or seven games by three points or less and a lot of those losses were due to poor special teams play, so it's not like it was a complete shocker

Any time a kicker goes in round 4 or sooner is pretty shocking in my book.

[PurpleCity5]

He was the #2 ranked safety in 2013 as well.

Yeah he's a straight beast, I really hope we keep him. 

[sflegend89]

Any cost? Dude... Terrance Brooks. We didn't draft him for nothing.

 

I said "almost any cost". I'm a big Terrence Brooks supporter but he's starting the year on the PUP list and was inconsistent in coverage when he was healthy. I expect Brooks to develop into a nice player for us but given the circumstances you can't just let a proven stud safety walk out the door and expect Brooks to go from the PUP list to starting safety. 

 

If a team is bonkers over Will Hill and throws the bank at him then we won't really have a choice but as long as the offer is reasonable we should match because Hill has low market value for his amount of talent/potential and we would still be getting a lot of bang for our buck. It was Hill's first year in our defense after a lengthy suspension and he played at a high level, he really isn't too far off from the Jairus Bryd's and Devin McCourtey's who have received massive deals.

Edited March 10, 2015 by sflegend89

[bMore Heathen]

We're getting to the point where it might be easier to say safety than free or strong

Well, it's called "Strong Safety" because he plays on the Strong Side, right?!?

[chunkywill25]

how long do teams have to offer a contract to Hill? he is a borderline elite player we can't afford to lose. I'm not buying that terrence brooks can replace him easily. he hasn't shown much

[Cillmatic]

Well, I wouldn't want him in centerfield.

People need to get that FS and SS have the same responsibilities, generally speaking. ONLY real difference is that FS plays centerfield more.

FS's are better in coverage and used almost exclusively in coverage, SS's cover and used to stop the run and cover TE's. SS's are a MLB/S mix.

[rmw10]

I know that we're normally pretty silent about our moves, but I really don't like that nothing has happened so far other than tenders.  I know they're doing their homework and discussing deals, but that doesn't mean I like complete silence lol

[The Raven]

FS's are better in coverage and used almost exclusively in coverage, SS's cover and used to stop the run and cover TE's. SS's are a MLB/S mix.

 

I don't need a lesson on what some fans perceive to be the differences, but thanks.

[Guest]

I think it would just be better to have Elam at SS than Pollard. Save more money and at least we can fulfill what Oz said when he challenged him to play like a first rounder. Also, with how Pollard has been playing recently, I doubt he'd be that high of an upgrade over Elam. 

 

Hey, there is always the prospect of the "Miraculous Reversion".   That's where a truly rotten player suddenly and inexplicably becomes a star...even an all pro.  I see no reason why a Miraculous Reversion cannot occur with Mr. Elam, but for one thing.  He never was that good as a collegian. 

 

Andre Johnson released! ANDRE JOHNSON RELEASED!  GO GET HIM!!!!! LETS DO IT OZZIE!

 

Now this is a player with a legitimate chance for a "Miraculous Reversion".  If we could pick up Johnson and have him revert to his form 5 years ago that would be the steal of all steals.  You know the Johnson I'm talking about, the one that never use to drop the ball and was pretty fast to boot!

Will Hill plays SS, Brooks plays FS. We let Hill go, and we have a hole at SS or we risk Elam getting beat and being the weakness of our secondary. Or we would have a hole at SS either way.

 

Yeah, but our secondary is not that great of a concern when we have Gunslinger Joe and his cast of Miraculously Reverting Old Receivers!

For the umpteenth time, there is no real difference between FS and SS. Please stop.

 

Well, maybe not...at least Mr Elam has proven there's no difference after playing both positions.

My thoughts exactly. Get a player that can do what Torrey did and a little more for less money.

 

This is in regard to Cecil Shorts and truth be told kindalikehim..............but he's not gonna stretch the field like Torrey did....or even Jacoby.  Do we still have that speedy WR from Florida?  Even if he can't catch we need someone to move their safeties back.

[ravensnick]

Hey, there is always the prospect of the "Miraculous Reversion".   That's where a truly rotten player suddenly and inexplicably becomes a star...even an all pro.  I see no reason why a Miraculous Reversion cannot occur with Mr. Elam, but for one thing.  He never was that good as a collegian. 

 

 

Now this is a player with a legitimate chance for a "Miraculous Reversion".  If we could pick up Johnson and have him revert to his form 5 years ago that would be the steal of all steals.  You know the Johnson I'm talking about, the one that never use to drop the ball and was pretty fast to boot!

 

Yeah, but our secondary is not that great of a concern when we have Gunslinger Joe and his cast of Miraculously Reverting Old Receivers!

 

Well, maybe not...at least Mr Elam has proven there's no difference after playing both positions.

 

This is in regard to Cecil Shorts and truth be told kindalikehim..............but he's not gonna stretch the field like Torrey did....or even Jacoby.  Do we still have that speedy WR from Florida?  Even if he can't catch we need someone to move their safeties back.

Thompson got signed of the practice squad by the Bills

[ravensfan160]

Any time a kicker goes in round 4 or sooner is pretty shocking in my book.

Everyone undervalues the kicker until they need him to make a game winning kick.

[JO_75]

Hmmm, this is interesting. 

 

Ravens re-signed exclusive rights free agent LS Patrick Scales to a one-year, $435,000 contract.

[JO_75]

Rashaan Melvin is back as expected. He signed his ERFA $585,000 contract. 

[rmw10]

Hmmm, this is interesting. 

 

Ravens re-signed exclusive rights free agent LS Patrick Scales to a one-year, $435,000 contract.

 

Why exactly is this interesting?  Morgan Cox is a FA and coming off of an ACL injury if he does re-sign.  Scales is a good guy to have in camp even if Cox is re-signed.

[JO_75]

Why exactly is this interesting?  Morgan Cox is a FA and coming off of an ACL injury if he does re-sign.  Scales is a good guy to have in camp even if Cox is re-signed.

 

It's interesting because of Cox. I expected him to be re-signed thus no need for a new LS. 

[rmw10]

It's interesting because of Cox. I expected him to be re-signed thus no need for a new LS. 

 

He still could be.  Lots of teams go into camp with 2 guys at LS.  Scales is just a good insurance measure.

[Guest]

Rashaan Melvin is back as expected. He signed his ERFA $585,000 contract. 

 

yippee

 

"You've been poached by the Baltimore Ravens"

 

Sure, sure, theres the Miraculous Reversion angle..where maybe the leagues QB's won't target him after all those yards and plays against in the Divisional Playoff Round.  you never know, that might have been just the learning experience he and the Ravens needed.

[GrimCoconut]

I'm really surprised we gave Will Hill the tender we did. That's a shocker. It almost makes me wonder if we're hoping someone offers him a deal so we can match it. I suspect that could be the case. 

[Ravenseconbeast]

I know that we're normally pretty silent about our moves, but I really don't like that nothing has happened so far other than tenders.  I know they're doing their homework and discussing deals, but that doesn't mean I like complete silence lol

 

big guys with fat wallets need to start helping the team.   ngata and webb for example.  a clear sign says both those guys contract need a revision.  until then, a FA is just a dream.   We almost always keep ~5mill after season starts for injury/resign/pick up purposes.   We basically have nothing to spend.

[Ravenseconbeast]

I'm really surprised we gave Will Hill the tender we did. That's a shocker. It almost makes me wonder if we're hoping someone offers him a deal so we can match it. I suspect that could be the case. 

 

Really?  Will had few solid games, but he faded away as much as he showed up.  He also had another incident while in ravens uniform.  He isn't a very marketable player either to sell jerseys.   I didn't expect his tender to be high tbh..

Edited March 10, 2015 by Ravenseconbeast

[GrimCoconut]

Really?  Will had few solid games, but he faded away as much as he showed up.  He also had another incident while in ravens uniform.  He isn't a very marketable player either to sell jerseys.   I didn't expect his tender to be high tbh..

I didn't expect a 1st round tender, but I expected a 2nd. And that incident he had is related to back child support, and while I don't condone that I think that's a very overblown story related to Hill. He actually got better as far as I saw as the year progressed. He certainly didn't get worse. The secondary got worse in some areas because of injury, but I think it was more of an indication of how well he played with a patchwork CB corps around him than anything.

[Gordo52]

Would be disappointed if we settled with Cecil Shorts and draft someone. If that happens, poor freaking Joe.

[PurpleCity5]

Hey, there is always the prospect of the "Miraculous Reversion". That's where a truly rotten player suddenly and inexplicably becomes a star...even an all pro. I see no reason why a Miraculous Reversion cannot occur with Mr. Elam, but for one thing. He never was that good as a collegian.

Now this is a player with a legitimate chance for a "Miraculous Reversion". If we could pick up Johnson and have him revert to his form 5 years ago that would be the steal of all steals. You know the Johnson I'm talking about, the one that never use to drop the ball and was pretty fast to boot!

Yeah, but our secondary is not that great of a concern when we have Gunslinger Joe and his cast of Miraculously Reverting Old Receivers!

Well, maybe not...at least Mr Elam has proven there's no difference after playing both positions.

This is in regard to Cecil Shorts and truth be told kindalikehim..............but he's not gonna stretch the field like Torrey did....or even Jacoby. Do we still have that speedy WR from Florida? Even if he can't catch we need someone to move their safeties back.

I know, I just don't feel that Pollard would upgrade Elam as much.

[ravenz2752]

Cary Williams is going to sign with the Seahawks according to Aaron Wilson

[JO_75]

Never mind about Cary Williams. Looks like he is on his way to Seattle despite their signing of Will Blackmon. 

 

*Sigh*

[ravensdfan]

Never mind about Cary Williams. Looks like he is on his way to Seattle despite their signing of Will Blackmon. 

 

*Sigh*

So far this is a horrible off season. It's seriously beginning to feel like no one likes us anymore.

 

Torrey, Ngata, Williams, McPhee. We're not keeping anyone. No one is even considering cutting us a break.

 

Doesn't look like Forsett or Daniels will be back either.

 

We're the red-headed step child right now lol