Ravens Signings and Re-signings (actual and speculation)

[rmcjacket23]

Webb wil get restructured. He already did it in the 2014 season and he's all for helping us.

Different completely though, because Webb didn't take a paycut in 2014. All he did was take non-guaranteed money, guarantee it as a bonus and spread it out. He lost ZERO money on the restructuring.

 

Doing something similar again doesn't really benefit the Ravens, because it means Webb's cap numbers in future years will be higher and it makes him much harder to cut in the future, which should be considered a possibility certainly after this coming season if he doesn't perform a lot better.

 

What the Ravens most likely are looking for is for him to take a paycut, which is easier said than done.

[BmoreBird22]

Hands down, Mosley was the best pick @16

And we are going to grab the BPA @ this years draft. Tbh I think there are a lot better picks for DBs @26 than WRs.

I think it depends on what receivers and corners are there. The reasonable guys to be there are Jaelen Strong, Jalen Collins, DGB, and Marcus Peters. I would, in order, take DGB, Marcus Peters, Jaelen Strong, Jalen Collins. I think DGB and Peters are the best at their positions in this draft and they will fall because of off the field. How far remains to be seen and whether the Ravens could pass on extremely high talent like that when both seemed to have shaped up remains to be seen, but I'd take a risk OK both

[Ravenseconbeast]

I think it depends on what receivers and corners are there. The reasonable guys to be there are Jaelen Strong, Jalen Collins, DGB, and Marcus Peters. I would, in order, take DGB, Marcus Peters, Jaelen Strong, Jalen Collins. I think DGB and Peters are the best at their positions in this draft and they will fall because of off the field. How far remains to be seen and whether the Ravens could pass on extremely high talent like that when both seemed to have shaped up remains to be seen, but I'd take a risk OK both

 

No thoughts on DBs though?  The last thought I had in mind after we lost to the patriots were "well we need to draft some DBs"

[GrimCoconut]

No thoughts on DBs though? The last thought I had in mind after we lost to the patriots were "well we need to draft some DBs"

Collins and Peters are both DBs.

[Whos_Up_Next]

I didn't know that. Are you sure about that? 

 

EDIT: Never mind, I see they restructured $4M in 2014. 

I posted that on another thread and some guy pointed out that he lost no money doing that even though his cap number lowered. So maybe he won't take a paycut.

[ravensnick]

We passed on Keenan Allen twice in 2013. I remember yelling at my laptop that year. We really needed Matt Elam and Arthur Brown, I guess. Draft position is no excuse. Talent can be found anywhere, if you know how to look for it. The Steelers know how to, they found Antonio Brown in the 6th round.

I means, at the time that looked pretty good. Brown was viewed as a guy that could have possibly gone in the first and Elam was seen to be a solid SS. I don't think you can just point to Antonio Brown or even Allen and say "we should have had them." They are nice players no doubt, but that knee concerns was not small issue, as that can be a career changing injury. Notice everyone including the Steelers passed on the little know CMU WR at least 5 times. But, think of the majority of great WRs. Dez Bryant, Julio Jones, AJ Green, Calvin Johnson, Odell Beckham Jr, all taking much sooner than we could have. 

[Ravenseconbeast]

Collins and Peters are both DBs.

 

My mistake here.  Didn't even catch the names and assumed too fast.  

 

I would like folks just in general to talk more about DBs than WRs.   I feel like too many people are in the receiver train and just putting themselves on the 'dissapointed' mindset if we were to grab a great corner or safety.   

People still talks about OBJ and feel like we didnt do  our due diligence on last year on getting a receiver @draft on 1st round...even when CJ mosley won a pro bowl and narrowly lost for the DROY crown.   

Edited February 26, 2015 by Ravenseconbeast

[rmw10]

Doesn't look like this has been mentioned yet, but assuming that the price is relatively low, this could be one of those really underrated re-signings.  Jeromy Miles played pretty well last year.

 

@RavensInsider: Safety Jeromy Miles to remain with Ravens, expected to be re-signed this offseason, sources say http://fw.to/EiwjMye 

[FastEddie]

I think it depends on what receivers and corners are there. The reasonable guys to be there are Jaelen Strong, Jalen Collins, DGB, and Marcus Peters. I would, in order, take DGB, Marcus Peters, Jaelen Strong, Jalen Collins. I think DGB and Peters are the best at their positions in this draft and they will fall because of off the field. How far remains to be seen and whether the Ravens could pass on extremely high talent like that when both seemed to have shaped up remains to be seen, but I'd take a risk OK both

 

No way the Ravens will even think about drafting DGB after listening to the presser

[ellicottraven]

No way the Ravens will even think about drafting DGB after listening to the presser

Agreed. Similarly there is also no chance that Brandon Marshall will be sought after given his domestic abuse past!

[BmoreBird22]

No way the Ravens will even think about drafting DGB after listening to the presser

  

Agreed. Similarly there is also no chance that Brandon Marshall will be sought after given his domestic abuse past!

I think the Ravens will do their due diligence in this situation. They said it would be hard to, but when you're talking about getting the best received in the draft, they'd have to consider it. Apparently DGB has been a model citizen at Oklahoma and has been whipped straight by his brother who stayed with him for the entire year. He himself acknowledged another year in college to prove he's matured probably would have helped, but he wants to move on from everything that happened in college and show he's changed. I'd take him

[ravensfan520]

How confident is everyone that we can get Ngata and Yanda extended and Webb restructured before free agency opens. Or do we want to make other plans for them.

[rmcjacket23]

How confident is everyone that we can get Ngata and Yanda extended and Webb restructured before free agency opens. Or do we want to make other plans for them.

Confident with Ngata, not sure if there's even discussions with Yanda (think that's fan speculation at this point), and unsure about Webb.

[ravensfan520]

Confident with Ngata, not sure if there's even discussions with Yanda (think that's fan speculation at this point), and unsure about Webb.

A lot of news outlets are bringing Yanda which to me is a great idea. I believe Ngata will be back but I am thinking we won't get the deal we want... He will make a deal but probably not as good as we are hoping. Webb I am hoping takes some sort of restructured deal. He is not the player we thought he was... injuries are mounting and unless he and Smith can stay healthy a full season our secondary is going to stay hopeless. This draft has some nice talent in dbs but will we push the envelope and keep drafting for defense or retool our offense... (possibly losing a lot of key weapons.)

[GrimCoconut]

I don't think DGB is necessarily off our board and I think some of us are making much of what Ozzie said and adding words. Ozzie said, and I quote:

"The one area we will definitely take a hard look – and it will be tough for us to bring a player to Baltimore – is someone who has domestic abuse in their background,” Newsome said at the season-review press conference Tuesday. “Other than that, we’ll exhaust every character aspect of the player, but we believe in allowing the information to lead us to a decision when we deal with that.”

That implies that it'll be tough but not necessarily impossible or improbable.

Edited February 26, 2015 by GrimCoconut

[ellicottraven]

  

I think the Ravens will do their due diligence in this situation. They said it would be hard to, but when you're talking about getting the best received in the draft, they'd have to consider it. Apparently DGB has been a model citizen at Oklahoma and has been whipped straight by his brother who stayed with him for the entire year. He himself acknowledged another year in college to prove he's matured probably would have helped, but he wants to move on from everything that happened in college and show he's changed. I'd take him

It isn't as much about due diligence as to how much these guys have changed, but more about the perception of it after making such a bold statement. If they had chosen to be quiet about it in the presser, no problem with picking him. But, after the presser it isn't likely going to happen.

[BmoreBird22]

It isn't as much about due diligence as to how much these guys have changed, but more about the perception of it after making such a bold statement. If they had chosen to be quiet about it in the presser, no problem with picking him. But, after the presser it isn't likely going to happen.

Key word likely, and I would agree it's unlikely. Ozzie said it would be hard to add a player with domestic violence in their past, not impossible, and if the player has changed, I think the Ravens will do their due diligence and research and male a decision. I mean, Suggs is still on the roster, so it's not like they're axing every player with DV in the background

[GrimCoconut]

Key word likely, and I would agree it's unlikely. Ozzie said it would be hard to add a player with domestic violence in their past, not impossible, and if the player has changed, I think the Ravens will do their due diligence and research and male a decision. I mean, Suggs is still on the roster, so it's not like they're axing every player with DV in the background

Yep. This is a clear overreaction based on Ozzie's comments where we read too much between the lines, fans and media included. I'm not saying we'll take DGB but I also doubt we'll simply cross him off the list without at least investigating the truth.

[Tank 92]

Just my thought, but I don't think there is any player we would consider at 26, or as a free agent this year, that had a sniff of DV. I'm not basing my opinion on Ozzie's statement, but rather on the demeanor of and comments made on the subject by Biscotti.  

Edited February 26, 2015 by Tank 92

[BmoreBird22]

Yep. This is a clear overreaction based on Ozzie's comments where we read too much between the lines, fans and media included. I'm not saying we'll take DGB but I also doubt we'll simply cross him off the list without at least investigating the truth.

And let's not act like he was tried and convicted. He had charges brought against him and they were dropped. It also sounds like very few people were there to even see the alleged incident and that it could have been out of spite

[GrimCoconut]

Just my thought, but I don't think there is any player we would consider at 26, or as a free agent this year, that had a sniff of DV. I'm not basing my opinion on Ozzie's statement, but rather on the demeanor of and comments made on the subject by Biscotti.

So let's say, hypothetically, the Ravens research into DGB and find that the domestic violence issues of which he was accused were unfounded? What if our investigation reveals to us that he didn't push her in the chest and didn't drag her by her neck? It's so hard to say what's true and what's not. I'm being very hypothetical here because I believe if his story checked out then he'd be considered.

Personally, I don't see us drafting him at all because it's not just domestic violence but a myriad of other issues. Regardless, I'm not going to just believe we'll cross him off the list without due process. I don't care what Steve says

[redrum52]

And yet, at the exact time of when his contract was handed out, the majority of the fanbase was praising Ozzie for locking him up long-term, and the even vague thought of Rice being allowed to walk in FA would have caused a fan uprising the likes of which Baltimore has never seen.

Hindsight is a great asset for fans, but its also a worthless asset.

At the time I said let him walk and invest in the o line, especially with how rbs can come straight put of college and have success, even without being a top pick. I didn't want to re-sign him. Nothing against him, just running backs in general.

[Tank 92]

So let's say, hypothetically, the Ravens research into DGB and find that the domestic violence issues of which he was accused were unfounded? What if our investigation reveals to us that he didn't push her in the chest and didn't drag her by her neck? It's so hard to say what's true and what's not. I'm being very hypothetical here because I believe if his story checked out then he'd be considered.

Personally, I don't see us drafting him at all because it's not just domestic violence but a myriad of other issues. Regardless, I'm not going to just believe we'll cross him off the list without due process. I don't care what Steve says

 

Could be, but it seems he is a man that values his integrity above all and I think he will do anything possible to avoid another incident.

[ludy51]

I would hate for us to pass on DGB just because of an accusation. I'd take the risk.

[rmcjacket23]

I would hate for us to pass on DGB just because of an accusation. I'd take the risk.

Not sure getting booted off a team qualifies as an "accusation".

 

Even without the domestic violence situation, there's plenty of risk and plenty of reasons to let somebody else draft him.

 

In fact, there's plenty of on-field questions that DGB has left people asking as well...

[Moderator 3]

Could we please stick to talking about actual Ravens in this thread? There's a whole draft forum for discussing who may or may not get drafted.

[GrimCoconut]

Could we please stick to talking about actual Ravens in this thread? There's a whole draft forum for discussing who may or may not get drafted.

Sorry if I contributed to the draft talk, although I'd say this topic is about free agents, our own and other teams'. Sometimes I forget which topics are draft topics and which aren't. I saw the comment about DGB and domestic violence and just used him as an example, but that example could also be applied to Brandon Marshall as well.

[Moderator 3]

I think it's supposed to be about ravens who have been (re)signed or we think will be. After 7 pages it's a bit hard to tell.

[The Raven]

And Christo Bilukidi gets a two year deal to stay with the Ravens. Solid move.

[GrimCoconut]

And Christo Bilukidi gets a two year deal to stay with the Ravens. Solid move.

Very interesting move..how much? Are those details out yet?