Merged: Brandon Marshall reportedly being traded to the Jets

[RedFire]

Then bring back Ray Rice...only difference is video tapes and the guy (marshall) having multiple incidents.

[PeRK82]

I have seen quite a few post about wanting ANDRE JOHNSON.

 

Umm yea, maybe if it was 2 or 3 yrs ago. Im not saying he is over the hill but his production has went down quite a bit.

And for the money, heck no. I think id rather resign Torrey Smith over Johnson honestly.

 

If the RAVENS are even going to go after a WR in F.A., that means they are going to spend a decent amount. ( more than they would on Torrey )  And if the RAVENS indeed go after a WR in F.A. then i feel they should actually go after a Big time true number 1.

 

I just feel that A.Johnson wouldnt be a number 1 wr on our team. I say lets go for Brandon , if somehow the BEARS end up cutting him which i do think is possible with all the money they are going to have to fork out for Cutler.

There are plenty of True number 1 that will be out there imo also.

[rmcjacket23]

Then bring back Ray Rice...only difference is video tapes and the guy (marshall) having multiple incidents.

Talent and production would be the other major difference...

[rmcjacket23]

Its pretty simple to me... if you want a Brandon Marshall, he's going to cost you a couple players that we would probably like to keep.

 

There'd be a zero percent chance we could really spend money anywhere else in FA except bringing back some of our own guys, and that's after we let some of our own guys walk anyway. Ideas like adding a FA corner is out of the question when you bring in a guy like Marshall, because he's not even getting out of bed for less than probably $6-7M a season.

 

Just not sure a lot of the people wanting us to sign a guy like him really see the big picture...

[FlackAttack]

get rid of torrey and jacoby, grab marshall and an outside baller in the draft and we got a WR core that will take us to the bowl.

 

brandon marshall, SSS, Kamar Aiken, Marlon brown, and a solid stud picked from the 1st or 2nd round of the draft? UNLEASH EM'.

[FlackAttack]

Its pretty simple to me... if you want a Brandon Marshall, he's going to cost you a couple players that we would probably like to keep.

 

There'd be a zero percent chance we could really spend money anywhere else in FA except bringing back some of our own guys, and that's after we let some of our own guys walk anyway. Ideas like adding a FA corner is out of the question when you bring in a guy like Marshall, because he's not even getting out of bed for less than probably $6-7M a season.

 

Just not sure a lot of the people wanting us to sign a guy like him really see the big picture...

we can get rid of some players that will open up some space easy. ngata and webb alone are easy drops.

[rmcjacket23]

we can get rid of some players that will open up some space easy. ngata and webb alone are easy drops.

That's about $10M in cap space, with most of that being spent on Marshall.

 

And you have to replace Webb, which is not easy.

[FlackAttack]

actually, replacing webb would be fairly simple. hes not that good.

[BmoreBird22]

I'm on the fence about this because the Ravens don't typically sign big name guys, but with Marshall being cut, he wouldn't count against the cap and he'd fill a need. Harbaugh made it sound like the Ravens planned to add two big time receivers, hinting at Steve Smith coming back in a reduced role.

Only problem is, you sign Marshall and it's hard to sign a much needed corner and possibly a running back. Plus, it likely means no chance of McPhee and Ngata coming back, so then you're needing DE/pass rusher depth

[FlackAttack]

I'm on the fence about this because the Ravens don't typically sign big name guys, but with Marshall being cut, he wouldn't count against the cap and he'd fill a need. Harbaugh made it sound like the Ravens planned to add two big time receivers, hinting at Steve Smith coming back in a reduced role.

Only problem is, you sign Marshall and it's hard to sign a much needed corner and possibly a running back. Plus, it likely means no chance of McPhee and Ngata coming back, so then you're needing DE/pass rusher depth

 

Sign marshal, draft a beast running back and DB in early rounds, or sign ones for cheap in free agency. theres plenty of cheap running backs these days looking to prove themselves. If our O-line plays like we did in 2014, we'll be fine in running game. And we still got Taliaferro who I think has a good future with us.

 

McPhee leaving is pretty much a given because a team will pay big money for him, and i think we can afford to lose gnata. We have plenty of depth at that position, and can do work in the draft as well. This will be a huge draft for us, we need to get some big, physical guys.

[BmoreBird22]

Sign marshal, draft a beast running back and DB in early rounds, or sign ones for cheap in free agency. theres plenty of cheap running backs these days looking to prove themselves. If our O-line plays like we did in 2014, we'll be fine in running game. And we still got Taliaferro who I think has a good future with us.

 

McPhee leaving is pretty much a given because a team will pay big money for him, and i think we can afford to lose gnata. We have plenty of depth at that position, and can do work in the draft as well. This will be a huge draft for us, we need to get some big, physical guys.

I actually really like Mark Ingram as a prove it type guy, or even Forsett if he comes back cheap. Still, corner is one the Ravens would probably like to spend on. Webb has been the epitome of unhealthy and has been having plenty of down seasons because of injuries and Jimmy isn't you much better health wise. The Ravens would likely be looking to sign a strong corner who could fill in as a starter if needed.

It's just hard to tell with Ngata because I definitely think the run defense took a hit without him. Pass rush was better because we saw more Jernigan and McPhee out there, but if you lose McPhee as well, you lose some good pass rush and Ngata is still a very good player, just not $16 million good

[FlackAttack]

True, Jimmy is also injury prone, but when he starts hes one of the best CBs in the league imo. Ingram would be a solid pickup on the cheaper side. If we get him and Marshall this offseason id be happy. If theres any way to resign mcphee while grabbing Marshall we could be best team in AFC going into 2015 easy.

[usmccharles]

True, Jimmy is also injury prone, but when he starts hes one of the best CBs in the league imo. Ingram would be a solid pickup on the cheaper side. If we get him and Marshall this offseason id be happy. If theres any way to resign mcphee while grabbing Marshall we could be best team in AFC going into 2015 easy.

Of course, who wouldnt be happy signing Marshall and Ingram, that just seems like an obvious statement.  But just by those pickups, or the Marshall and Mcphee one you stated, neither one would make us the best team in the AFC, no reason to be a paper champion. 

[GrimCoconut]

I think all the CBs on this team are injury-prone. It's like we collect them. All the way back to Foxworth we've had injuries at the CB position. It's been a problem for a while now. This time it just metastasized. 

 

Anyway, is there actually any legs to this rumor about Marshall possibly being cut/traded? I ask because I don't hear anything absolutely definitive either way. From some of the comments I read here, it almost sounds like a foregone conclusion. Not being sarcastic, I'm genuinely not sure if there's something I am missing. 

[FlackAttack]

Of course, who wouldnt be happy signing Marshall and Ingram, that just seems like an obvious statement.  But just by those pickups, or the Marshall and Mcphee one you stated, neither one would make us the best team in the AFC, no reason to be a paper champion. 

if you think ingram and marshall is considered "paper champion" then you dont have good football knowledge. ingram is not that good. hes an average/ below average back that nobody really wants, but we'll take him considering our situation. nice try, bruh.

 

and yes, we are already considered one of the best AFC teams going into 2015 off season. most people know that. nice try, bruh.

[Dewy101]

I think we have a pretty good shot at resigning McPhee we have a lot of cap space in 2016 and the league will only increase cap space year after year. I know Flacco has a 28 million cap hit but his agent admitted it was only a 3 year deal I think we'll be able to find a way to work things out. If not as of now we'll probably have 50 million in cap space especially if the cap keeps on rising. All I can say is that ozzie has a lot to take care of this offseason. KO and Yanda need extensions, Decide whether to cut or extend Ngata, cut or restructure webb post june 1st, resign torrey and Forsett or let them walk and extend Jimmy

[Tru11]

I think we have a pretty good shot at resigning McPhee we have a lot of cap space in 2016 and the league will only increase cap space year after year. I know Flacco has a 28 million cap hit but his agent admitted it was only a 3 year deal I think we'll be able to find a way to work things out. If not as of now we'll probably have 50 million in cap space especially if the cap keeps on rising. All I can say is that ozzie has a lot to take care of this offseason. KO and Yanda need extensions, Decide whether to cut or extend Ngata, cut or restructure webb post june 1st, resign torrey and Forsett or let them walk and extend Jimmy

 

McPhee needs a new contract this coming season not 2 seasons from now unless he gets tagged.

 

also the cap going up usually leads to contracts going up as well so it might be ever harder to keep players.

[rmcjacket23]

lol, you read things and dont comprehend well. if you think ingram and marshall is considered "paper champion" then you dont have good football knowledge. ingram is not that good. hes an average/ below average back that nobody really wants, but we'll take him considering our situation. nice try, bruh.

 

and yes, we are already considered one of the best AFC teams going into 2015 off season. most people know that. nice try, bruh.

Who and why exactly are we considered one of the best teams in the AFC again? The offseason hasn't even begun yet.

 

Not even a vague basis to make that statement... every single person on this planet lacks the knowledge of future events to make that statement. Certainly plenty of things that could happen that could make us a SB contender, and there's plenty of things that could happen to make us be the worst team in our division.

[rmcjacket23]

I think we have a pretty good shot at resigning McPhee we have a lot of cap space in 2016 and the league will only increase cap space year after year. I know Flacco has a 28 million cap hit but his agent admitted it was only a 3 year deal I think we'll be able to find a way to work things out. If not as of now we'll probably have 50 million in cap space especially if the cap keeps on rising. All I can say is that ozzie has a lot to take care of this offseason. KO and Yanda need extensions, Decide whether to cut or extend Ngata, cut or restructure webb post june 1st, resign torrey and Forsett or let them walk and extend Jimmy

Not really. You're ignoring the fact that only 27 players are under contract in 2016, meaning you'll have a net 24 more players that will be added in some form or fashion to that cap number.

 

By that alone, you basically have to add another $25-30M in cap space to the current number alone, which puts you in the $130M range, meaning we would probably have about $20M in cap space.

 

And, that's excluding signing draft picks (both from this year and next year), tenders, and any additional contracts we add in the mean time, such as Jimmy Smith and every other FA this season and next. Plus, the Flacco restructure is not guaranteed to happen, nor is it going to create like $20M in cap space... it would probably create about $10M.

 

Bottom line... don't expect us to have a ton of cap space in 2016 either. It may be more than this year, but that's not saying much.

[usmccharles]

if you think ingram and marshall is considered "paper champion" then you dont have good football knowledge. ingram is not that good. hes an average/ below average back that nobody really wants, but we'll take him considering our situation. nice try, bruh.

 

and yes, we are already considered one of the best AFC teams going into 2015 off season. most people know that. nice try, bruh.

Haha, ok man.   We didnt make it to the afc championship, we didnt win the superbowl, just adding players doesnt make us better than anyone else on paper because the game has yet to be played.  Remember when the eagles added Namdi Aso (sp?)...on paper everyone loved them.  im not saying we couldnt be the best team in the AFC, but when people want to talk about the next year before the FA has even started, i think thats just premature and biased.   Only reason i mentioned the word "paper Champion" is because of the statement that those signings make us the best team in the AFC, i think that takes away credit from other teams especially when NOTHING has happened during the off season yet.  But i tried,,,,bruh

[rmcjacket23]

Haha, ok man.   We didnt make it to the afc championship, we didnt win the superbowl, just adding players doesnt make us better than anyone else on paper because the game has yet to be played.  Remember when the eagles added Namdi Aso (sp?)...on paper everyone loved them.  im not saying we couldnt be the best team in the AFC, but when people want to talk about the next year before the FA has even started, i think thats just premature and biased.   Only reason i mentioned the word "paper Champion" is because of the statement that those signings make us the best team in the AFC, i think that takes away credit from other teams especially when NOTHING has happened during the off season yet.  But i tried,,,,bruh

100% right. Most importantly, if we added somebody like Marshall, it would almost certainly be via either a trade or a large FA signing.

 

Given how we hate to give up draft picks AND the limited cap space we have, bringing in Marshall is going to cost us something that we otherwise probably would have had.

 

In short, a position on our team would be basically guaranteed to be weaker if we did something like this.

[usmccharles]

100% right. Most importantly, if we added somebody like Marshall, it would almost certainly be via either a trade or a large FA signing.

 

Given how we hate to give up draft picks AND the limited cap space we have, bringing in Marshall is going to cost us something that we otherwise probably would have had.

 

In short, a position on our team would be basically guaranteed to be weaker if we did something like this.

agreed.  But then the question is, would you rather be stronger at WR and be weaker at "blank".  Honestly, id want to take the risk of bringing Marshall in, obviously McPhee is important and i want him to stay, but im just dying to see Joe with a beast WR.  Look at what Joe and Q did together, i think its safe to say that Marshall is a bigger and faster Q, just not as tough.  But as always, in Ozz i trust. 

[Dewy101]

McPhee needs a new contract this coming season not 2 seasons from now unless he gets tagged.

also the cap going up usually leads to contracts going up as well so it might be ever harder to keep players.

If McPhees contract is backloaded like many are it won't be much of an issue. Yes cap goes up, but it doesn't affect the players already signed.

[rmcjacket23]

If McPhees contract is backloaded like many are it won't be much of an issue. Yes cap goes up, but it doesn't affect the players already signed.

No, but it could hamstring your future ability to sign players and hand out extensions.

[rmcjacket23]

agreed.  But then the question is, would you rather be stronger at WR and be weaker at "blank".  Honestly, id want to take the risk of bringing Marshall in, obviously McPhee is important and i want him to stay, but im just dying to see Joe with a beast WR.  Look at what Joe and Q did together, i think its safe to say that Marshall is a bigger and faster Q, just not as tough.  But as always, in Ozz i trust. 

Would depend on what the "weaker" position is. If it meant losing McPhee, I'd gladly take Marshall. If it meant losing somebody like Forsett or Torrey, I'd take Marshall too.

 

But maybe it means we have to cut Webb and Ngata, and we can't address the secondary in any other method than the draft... do I feel that great about that? Not really. We know most drafted players in the secondary take a year or two to develop (and many never do develop), regardless of where they are taken. If that's the case, you could be looking at more question marks in the secondary than we had last season, and we upgraded at WR, which some would argue wasn't an area that needed major upgrades anyway.

[usmccharles]

Would depend on what the "weaker" position is. If it meant losing McPhee, I'd gladly take Marshall. If it meant losing somebody like Forsett or Torrey, I'd take Marshall too.

 

But maybe it means we have to cut Webb and Ngata, and we can't address the secondary in any other method than the draft... do I feel that great about that? Not really. We know most drafted players in the secondary take a year or two to develop (and many never do develop), regardless of where they are taken. If that's the case, you could be looking at more question marks in the secondary than we had last season, and we upgraded at WR, which some would argue wasn't an area that needed major upgrades anyway.

I basically agree with you.  I would gladly let torrey walk to bring in Marshall, but losing Ngata AND someone else, very doubtful.  Im extremely excited about our young wrs i.e. Camp, Brown, Aiken which is why im ok with letting torrey walk if we can bring in someone.  Marshall is a guy i believe that can really change an offense and it would open things up for every other person on the field

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

I think trying to get Brandon Marshall would be a bad move. WR wasnt a weakness last year, maybe not a strength, but I see CB, FS, and TE as our biggest needs. Maybe RB depending on Forsett.

 

WR probably isnt even in the Top 5, and when we're tight against the cap using that much of it on a FA wr who has been known to cause locker room problems (and I dont want to hear how hes turned it around, he was calling everyone out after losses publicly with the media).

 

Love the production, dont love the probable price or personality,

[Willbacker]

Everybody is always looking for that big,strong #1 wideout. Yep the Patriots and Seahawks were just loaded up with them types of receivers.What you need is a good core of WRs. Not one that stands out from the rest of them.

[D-Rey]

Everybody is always looking for that big,strong #1 wideout. Yep the Patriots and Seahawks were just loaded up with them types of receivers.What you need is a good core of WRs. Not one that stands out from the rest of them.

Gronk is that guy for the Patriots and the Seahawks just leaned on their run game and defense the whole season.

[rmcjacket23]

Gronk is that guy for the Patriots and the Seahawks just leaned on their run game and defense the whole season.

Well, between Wilson and Brady, they still threw for about 6,500 yards and 40 TDs to guys not named Gronk...