Merged: Brandon Marshall reportedly being traded to the Jets

[JoeyFlex5]

he'll be way too expensive, there's zero chance we can afford him. And again this is another guy that has a past of domestic violence. If we had that much money to throw around for a receiver then we could get a good younger target with a clean past like Cobb or Thomas (if the Broncos decide to pursue Julius instead, they probably can't afford both FAs)

I'd rather we save money and take a WR in the draft like Jaelen Strong

do you really expect jaelen strong to be available at 26?

[hn68wb4]

do you really expect jaelen strong to be available at 26?

i didn't say he would be available at our pick, but i do know that there are at least 3 WRs that are receiving more buzz than him to be taken higher (Parker, White, Cooper), its not impossible that he may fall because of that, his lack of speed really hurts him. Plus you have to leave open the possibility that there will be a late riser at WR, there has been one the last two years in Beckham and Austin. Right now there are a few borderline 1st rounder guys that could jump him like Sammie Coates and maybe Montgomery. When it comes to WR its not improbable that guys will fall, this early i would hesitate to say "theres no way _____ WR will fall that far" because free agency will shake things up, maybe a trade or two. 

I just chose Strong because he's the kind of guy the original poster was referring to

[GrimCoconut]

i didn't say he would be available at our pick, but i do know that there are at least 3 WRs that are receiving more buzz than him to be taken higher (Parker, White, Cooper), its not impossible that he may fall because of that, his lack of speed really hurts him. Plus you have to leave open the possibility that there will be a late riser at WR, there has been one the last two years in Beckham and Austin. Right now there are a few borderline 1st rounder guys that could jump him like Sammie Coates and maybe Montgomery. When it comes to WR its not improbable that guys will fall, this early i would hesitate to say "theres no way _____ WR will fall that far" because free agency will shake things up, maybe a trade or two. 

I just chose Strong because he's the kind of guy the original poster was referring to

I think the speed of Strong is very much underestimated. He's not slow at all and if it is a weakness, then it's a very minor one because his speed isn't really bad at all. I think when he improves his routes, that speed will look even better as well. He isn't slow at all. I expect him to run in the 4.5 range, which is plenty fast for his height. 

 

With that said, I don't see how Marshall fits here. This isn't directed at you, but I can't imagine how well our team would function with Steve Smith Sr and Brandon Marshall both fighting for balls. If you thought both were divas before, man..that kind of chemistry would be a deadly combination in a negative way for this team. 

 

Just my two cents, though. You can't just add a WR indiscriminately because he's been a quality WR. You have to see how well he would work with what you  have. I don't think Marshall and Smith Sr would be a good combination. Someone would always be complaining or possibly taking plays off because of not enough targets. 

[JoeyFlex5]

i didn't say he would be available at our pick, but i do know that there are at least 3 WRs that are receiving more buzz than him to be taken higher (Parker, White, Cooper), its not impossible that he may fall because of that, his lack of speed really hurts him. Plus you have to leave open the possibility that there will be a late riser at WR, there has been one the last two years in Beckham and Austin. Right now there are a few borderline 1st rounder guys that could jump him like Sammie Coates and maybe Montgomery. When it comes to WR its not improbable that guys will fall, this early i would hesitate to say "theres no way _____ WR will fall that far" because free agency will shake things up, maybe a trade or two. 

I just chose Strong because he's the kind of guy the original poster was referring to

ehh yea i totally get that, but WR's are so popular these days that i dont think it matters who rises, someone is gonna take strong in the first, could be us but i doubt it, i think coates and montgomery and those types are more likely to rise and be picked in our range than to rise above strong. 

 

it is even plausible that 5 WR's are taken in the top 20 this year, as long as character concerns are put aside for certain teams, cooper, white, parker, strong, and green-beckham, i would fully expect the first 4 to be long gone by our pick and i dont see any amount of rising or falling being able to change that, and i dont expect us to take DGB for obvious reasons, but i could still see some teams taking him ahead of us and ignoring the character concerns.

[GrimCoconut]

ehh yea i totally get that, but WR's are so popular these days that i dont think it matters who rises, someone is gonna take strong in the first, could be us but i doubt it, i think coates and montgomery and those types are more likely to rise and be picked in our range than to rise above strong. 

 

it is even plausible that 5 WR's are taken in the top 20 this year, as long as character concerns are put aside for certain teams, cooper, white, parker, strong, and green-beckham, i would fully expect the first 4 to be long gone by our pick and i dont see any amount of rising or falling being able to change that, and i dont expect us to take DGB for obvious reasons, but i could still see some teams taking him ahead of us and ignoring the character concerns.

I think it is certainly possible Strong slides in the draft, and I say that because he's a fringe 1st round pick and the concerns surrounding his speed are well documented even though I personally find them overstated. I think a guy like Devin Smith, Sammie Coates, or another guy I am forgetting could rise above him. It's certainly not out of the question.

[redrum52]

Point is they were able to dominate because they had a guy on the other side who demanded coverage be rolled his way - if you don't account for Gronk he will KILL you. We have nobody like that, and the only corner on the team capable of covering a guy like that was Jimmy Smith, whereas they had two. Role players only execute if they have an easy job. They had the better receivers and the better corners. You're asking the question why our less talented, as a group, receiving corps struggled against their more talented secondary. When Gronkowski was out for them in the 2012 playoffs we killed them. When we had to roll coverage his way and didn't have the secondary to do so, they killed us.

You're quote was "the game is based off the QBs decisions". Brady had very easy decisions compared to Joe - his guys were always open because we couldn't cover them with 4th and 5th string corners. Meantime Joe was playing against 2 of the best corners in the game, and his best receiving weapon went out in the first game of the regular season. So I fail to see how you're assessment is in fact, a fair comparison of the Patriots receivers vs. the Ravens receivers and therefore a fair question at all when comparing what Joe had to do to score points vs. what Brady could sit back and do.

How can you assess 2 players when they are playing with a third who is probably going to go down as the greatest tight end in NFL history? That's why I was sarcastic - you're acting like their situation was comparable to ours, when there is absolutely no comparison, and I fail to see how you can make it so. I'm truly, truly sick of people acting like every quarterback has the same talent at receiver and is playing against the same caliber of defense every game. It's simply not true.

Joe played his butt off, but it can't go both ways. It can't be he out plays Brady one game then another, well the defense he played was different. In many of the games both have played, we've had the advantage of playing a weaker defense. Would be nice to have a reliable game breaker on our side though that defenses had to account for. I know Torrey has speed, but there are many games where he vanishes only accounting for maybe 2-3 catches. Might not all be his fault, cause I feel if Pitta was healthy he would probably open things up more for other guys as well outside.

I'd love Marshall on this team by the way. He's made a career of making Cutler look like a competent qb, so I know he flourish here. The addition of a guy like that instantly makes our off3nse potent and shifts guys into positins they fit better in. Torrey can stay outside, without having to be the #1 target, Smith can play outside or slot and if Pitta returns, I think Crockett makes a decent #2 option at TE if Daniels isn't re-signed. This will be an interesting off season.

[rafahash]

Seriously, it's like some of you don't even know Ozzie. No way we can sign Marshall.

[redrum52]

Seriously, it's like some of you don't even know Ozzie. No way we can sign Marshall.

Would you have thought we would've traded for Boldin? I never saw a move like that happening.

[JoeyFlex5]

Haden might, but Haden has a hard time covering Torrey...which is weird.  I think Marshall matches Haden's physicality and then some.  He's tough to bring down.

torrey is too fast for haden. some DC's make the terrible mistake of putting their top corner on torrey thinking they just took the big play aspect of our game from us, when in reality all torrey has to do in run straight down the field to get open, torrey buried champ baileys whole career because of this. 

 

marshall is the kind of guy that gets shut down by the joe haden/jimmy smith types. 

 

still think marshall would be an excellent fit for a flacco/kubiak offense

[RavensAllTheWay]

I really don't want his attitude.  I think fellow players and coaches around the league just don't like him, and feel he's disruptive to team chemistry.  No thanks.

[jazz1988]

I think the speed of Strong is very much underestimated. He's not slow at all and if it is a weakness, then it's a very minor one because his speed isn't really bad at all. I think when he improves his routes, that speed will look even better as well. He isn't slow at all. I expect him to run in the 4.5 range, which is plenty fast for his height. 

 

With that said, I don't see how Marshall fits here. This isn't directed at you, but I can't imagine how well our team would function with Steve Smith Sr and Brandon Marshall both fighting for balls. If you thought both were divas before, man..that kind of chemistry would be a deadly combination in a negative way for this team. 

 

Just my two cents, though. You can't just add a WR indiscriminately because he's been a quality WR. You have to see how well he would work with what you  have. I don't think Marshall and Smith Sr would be a good combination. Someone would always be complaining or possibly taking plays off because of not enough targets. 

 

 

We  kinda did the diva thing before with Mason and Housh . It didn't gets us a super bowl but we still went to the playoffs. I'm not saying we should sign Brandon Marshall either because he obviously has his problems.

[ellicottraven]

I still believe Campanaro, Aiken and Marlon are ascending as receivers and one of them may actually supplants one of our 2 Smiths.... I suggest we draft a CB or safety with our first pick. For the first time in many years, I would have no problem Ozzie moving up to draft the best DB in the draft either...

[Drew P]

He has a strange character and seems self absorbed rather than a team guy. His talent is there no doubt BUT you can't have him based on what $$ he demands and his poisinous chemistry with a team so unified as ours.

 

Yeah he's a weirdo I can see him pulling a Rolando Mclain...use the draft to find a guy

[stampedehero]

Yeah he's a weirdo I can see him pulling a Rolando Mclain...use the draft to find a guy

Another member brought up Andre Johnson  I can see that as a strong possibility since he and Kubiak are in the same Texans clan

[GrimCoconut]

To get Andre Johnson, he first needs to be cut, which is a very tricky question that we can't answer yet. Naturally, there were questions and rumors surrounding a potential cut earlier this season, but it never materialized. I'm not sure it happens, either, although he would certainly be a nice fit here. 

[Kid87]

Demaryius Thomas!!!!

[jimjim5]

The dude just got re-signed. Keep dreaming.

[Purple_ICE 81]

So as we all know unless you haven't heard the Bears plan to part ways with him.

http://www.barstoolsports.com/chicago/super-page/terry-boers-is-reporting-that-the-bears-plan-on-parting-ways-with-brandon-marshall-soon/

We absolutely NEED this beast. He'd be the tallest receiver Flacco has ever had and the best IMO. 6'5.

Boldin was 6'0. Mason 5'10, SSS 5'9.

For a guy as tall as Flacco is at 6'6. You'd think he prefers big targets. We see Flacco throw them a tad too high at times and I think it's because of how tall he is he's throwing it to these little guys.

Plus Marshall is one of the best receivers in the league to top it all off and has brilliant hands.

We really need a receiver like this!

Any one of us would jump out of their seats at the smallest chance that their front office would even interview Brandon Marshall let alone sign him. BMarsh is hands down one of the most refined WRs in the league today no question our offense would be sooo much better with him next to Steve smith.

But obviously there is some baggage that comes with Marshall that Ozzie and Co may not like. Obviously we are talking about him potentially getting cut for being a lockerroom headcase which makes the 3rd team to abandon his juggernaut skills for a more peaceful team environment. #2 he is coming off an injury, and third he is most likely going to cost a fortune to sign.

Unfortunately we have a lot of our own FAs to resign like Justin Forsett, Mcphee, and even Torrey Smith to name a few, and Ozzie will likely start there and by the time we could even glance at BMarsh we will likely not have enough to afford him.

Now if somehow we did sign him or even think about it, we would be flirting with a Joe Flacco pro bowl year in 2015 and the most dynamic Ravens offense we have ever seen. But its a pipe dream.

[Purple_ICE 81]

To get Andre Johnson, he first needs to be cut, which is a very tricky question that we can't answer yet. Naturally, there were questions and rumors surrounding a potential cut earlier this season, but it never materialized. I'm not sure it happens, either, although he would certainly be a nice fit here.

And Johnson has mentioned numerous times this year he wants to retire as a Texan, so unless they can't figure out his contract situation he will likely stay.

[Purple_ICE 81]

I still believe Campanaro, Aiken and Marlon are ascending as receivers and one of them may actually supplants one of our 2 Smiths.... I suggest we draft a CB or safety with our first pick. For the first time in many years, I would have no problem Ozzie moving up to draft the best DB in the draft either...

Same here, Campanero looks so much like a Cole Beasly, Wes Welker, Randall Cobb type of player. Shifty super quick and dependable as a chain mover. Hopefully he continues to develop and get more snaps next year.

And Kamar Aiken was a beast of a playmaker all over the field...offense and even special teams. Hes a scrappy player aswell

[Pirate88]

Marshall Is a good fit. End of his prime but still in his prime and tired of making terrible QBs like cutler n mcnown look like they belong in the NFL. He wants to be part of a championship shoot out like the one Saturday and win a piece of Superbowl hardware. He would have a careerv

year with Flacco. If we got him to pair with Davis Gresham or Lyerla one of the Smiths probably get pushed out. Torry could be overpriced and if he does We could replace him with another one dimension vertical threat like Denarius Moore a mid round rookie or risk reward WR like DBG although he is more than just a vertical threat. Lots of WR combinations but 2 things to consider are Torry could be overpriced and Steve Smith could suddenly slow down considerably at 36. We could end up with something Gresham Marshall, one smith,Campanaro and Brown or an early round rookie thrown in place of Smith. if they rely on a rookie WR it can't be any rookie WR that falls to their lap. Must be a rookie Oz Decosta Harbs and Kubiak all really like and make a move to get.

[PurpleCity5]

I think the speed of Strong is very much underestimated. He's not slow at all and if it is a weakness, then it's a very minor one because his speed isn't really bad at all. I think when he improves his routes, that speed will look even better as well. He isn't slow at all. I expect him to run in the 4.5 range, which is plenty fast for his height. 

 

With that said, I don't see how Marshall fits here. This isn't directed at you, but I can't imagine how well our team would function with Steve Smith Sr and Brandon Marshall both fighting for balls. If you thought both were divas before, man..that kind of chemistry would be a deadly combination in a negative way for this team. 

 

Just my two cents, though. You can't just add a WR indiscriminately because he's been a quality WR. You have to see how well he would work with what you  have. I don't think Marshall and Smith Sr would be a good combination. Someone would always be complaining or possibly taking plays off because of not enough targets. 

I think it's worth noting that Brandon Marshal has changed as a person and is not the same hot head we were used to seeing, but there is no guarantee that he and Smith Sr can function fully. 

[PurpleCity5]

I think Marshal would be a good fit offensively for Flacco and personally, I think Smith Sr. is better off in the slot, Marshal is also a guy who can high point the ball and catch those throws that go way over Smith Sr's head. 

 

As good as a prospect Jaelen Strong or Kevin White is, you can't just assume they'll be there, if Marshal is there at a reasonable price, than why not go for it? Oz is a wizard at cap work, if Brandon Marshal was cut than that would make our FA/Draft choices prioritize on defense. 

 

Grabbing Marshal would give us a lot of flexibility which would be HUGE, but I feel that Marshal is just not ready to leave Chicago, it's just unrealistic IMO, none the less I'd be ecstatic if it were to happen. 

[MiselisM]

If Torrey Smith has a somewhat big market and is overpaid by a desperate team (looking at you, Oakland), then the priority will need to shift toward the acquisition of an established receiver. I look at a guy like Brandon Marshall, who I feel could really excel with Flacco as his quarterback.

 

It appears that the Bears are going to be ready to release Marshall and not pay him at his high price tag. Thus, he could be an option to come in and chase a Super Bowl ring that he has never truly been that close to. He's 30 years old, and has actually matured quite greatly over the last few years ( most notably speaking out on issues of mental health). I'm not going to diss a player for having to deal with Jay Cutler, who is the antithesis of Flacco in my mind.

 

Ultimately, he may not be a true number one, but I didn't consider Torrey Smith a true number one receiver either. Marshall has great size, and good enough speed to still be a factor in this league. I think he would buy into the locker room culture and excel.

 

Just my two cents. Thoughts? ( I'm preparing for the backlash)

 

 

[KDUBB44]

lol @ u chumps thinking marshall is towards the end. I think hes got a good 4-5 yes left. He just had an injury plagued year last year

[BSHU_Miami]

If Torrey Smith has a somewhat big market and is overpaid by a desperate team (looking at you, Oakland), then the priority will need to shift toward the acquisition of an established receiver. I look at a guy like Brandon Marshall, who I feel could really excel with Flacco as his quarterback.

 

It appears that the Bears are going to be ready to release Marshall and not pay him at his high price tag. Thus, he could be an option to come in and chase a Super Bowl ring that he has never truly been that close to. He's 30 years old, and has actually matured quite greatly over the last few years ( most notably speaking out on issues of mental health). I'm not going to diss a player for having to deal with Jay Cutler, who is the antithesis of Flacco in my mind.

 

Ultimately, he may not be a true number one, but I didn't consider Torrey Smith a true number one receiver either. Marshall has great size, and good enough speed to still be a factor in this league. I think he would buy into the locker room culture and excel.

 

Just my two cents. Thoughts? ( I'm preparing for the backlash)

Yes he is.

[Mad Puppy]

he'll be way too expensive, there's zero chance we can afford him. And again this is another guy that has a past of domestic violence. If we had that much money to throw around for a receiver then we could get a good younger target with a clean past like Cobb or Thomas (if the Broncos decide to pursue Julius instead, they probably can't afford both FAs)

I'd rather we save money and take a WR in the draft like Jaelen Strong

 

Excellent post! I agree. Though I might add Maclin to the mix of free agent targets.

[JoeyFlex5]

If Torrey Smith has a somewhat big market and is overpaid by a desperate team (looking at you, Oakland), then the priority will need to shift toward the acquisition of an established receiver. I look at a guy like Brandon Marshall, who I feel could really excel with Flacco as his quarterback.

 

It appears that the Bears are going to be ready to release Marshall and not pay him at his high price tag. Thus, he could be an option to come in and chase a Super Bowl ring that he has never truly been that close to. He's 30 years old, and has actually matured quite greatly over the last few years ( most notably speaking out on issues of mental health). I'm not going to diss a player for having to deal with Jay Cutler, who is the antithesis of Flacco in my mind.

 

Ultimately, he may not be a true number one, but I didn't consider Torrey Smith a true number one receiver either. Marshall has great size, and good enough speed to still be a factor in this league. I think he would buy into the locker room culture and excel.

 

Just my two cents. Thoughts? ( I'm preparing for the backlash)

marshall is as true of a number 1 as anyone in the league, the definition of a number 1 lol

[PurpleCity5]

If Torrey Smith has a somewhat big market and is overpaid by a desperate team (looking at you, Oakland), then the priority will need to shift toward the acquisition of an established receiver. I look at a guy like Brandon Marshall, who I feel could really excel with Flacco as his quarterback.

 

It appears that the Bears are going to be ready to release Marshall and not pay him at his high price tag. Thus, he could be an option to come in and chase a Super Bowl ring that he has never truly been that close to. He's 30 years old, and has actually matured quite greatly over the last few years ( most notably speaking out on issues of mental health). I'm not going to diss a player for having to deal with Jay Cutler, who is the antithesis of Flacco in my mind.

 

Ultimately, he may not be a true number one, but I didn't consider Torrey Smith a true number one receiver either. Marshall has great size, and good enough speed to still be a factor in this league. I think he would buy into the locker room culture and excel.

 

Just my two cents. Thoughts? ( I'm preparing for the backlash)

Marshal would def. be a #1 in Baltimore, especially with a durable and reliable QB in Flacco. He would also fill in the role we miss from AnQuan Boldin, jump ball, physical, and big body. 

[usmccharles]

I brought this up to a friend the other day after the trestman hire.  I think Marshall would be the best wr talent we ever had, next to Boldin.