Merged: Brandon Marshall reportedly being traded to the Jets

[rmcjacket23]

It could be management making the decision as well.

But management couldn't make that assessment either, because they too haven't worked with Marshall for a season either.

 

I'm not even suggesting they won't cut him, I just think the "he doesn't mesh well" argument isn't exactly a valid one when you have a GM and a HC that have been there for literally two months or less.

[rmw10]

But management couldn't make that assessment either, because they too haven't worked with Marshall for a season either.

 

I'm not even suggesting they won't cut him, I just think the "he doesn't mesh well" argument isn't exactly a valid one when you have a GM and a HC that have been there for literally two months or less.

 

There's much more to an organization that the GM and HC.  For all we know, the someone else in the FO or on the coaching staff has spoken to the new guys and made their case.  With what rumors are out there, I think we can reasonable assume that there's more pushing him out than there is keeping him in.  It's clearly not a money or performance related matter, so that would lead you to believe it's character related.  There's only so much we know, but it's not unreasonable to make these conclusions from what information we do have.

[PurpleCity5]

I don't, because I think he's tied to Cutler. I think they both have one season in Chicago to show their value, and if it doesn't go well, both will be gone this time next season.

 

Unless Fox has already determined he doesn't want Cutler, and is "setting him up to fail", it doesn't really do the Bears any good to move Marshall right now unless its by trade in my opinion. Its not like they are a player or two away from being a great team, and his cap savings isn't significant enough.

I don't think Marshall staying is in the hands of Cutler. Like I said before, Fox's first job is to clean up any sense of tension among the Bears, that's why I believe Marshall's ties is really with his teammates who aren't too fond of him. Also, they're shopping him but not Cutler, I think that shows there's not tie between the tie anymore. Losing Marshall would hurt, but they can go out there are draft/sign FA's, I doubt it will be a big blow considering that they're far off. The cap savings aren't great, but cutting them before March 12 and I believe they owe him some amount, but after that, nothing more, I forgot the amount but I think it was between $5-7M which does hold some influence. 

[rmcjacket23]

There's much more to an organization that the GM and HC.  For all we know, the someone else in the FO or on the coaching staff has spoken to the new guys and made their case.  With what rumors are out there, I think we can reasonable assume that there's more pushing him out than there is keeping him in.  It's clearly not a money or performance related matter, so that would lead you to believe it's character related.  There's only so much we know, but it's not unreasonable to make these conclusions from what information we do have.

Possibly, but you've got a combination of Jeffery needing a new (likely big) contract in 2016, and the fact that Marshall is getting older and has a high cap number in the future. It makes perfect sense to look to trade him at this point, but we will see whether a release is possible.

[rmcjacket23]

I don't think Marshall staying is in the hands of Cutler. Like I said before, Fox's first job is to clean up any sense of tension among the Bears, that's why I believe Marshall's ties is really with his teammates who aren't too fond of him. Also, they're shopping him but not Cutler, I think that shows there's not tie between the tie anymore. Losing Marshall would hurt, but they can go out there are draft/sign FA's, I doubt it will be a big blow considering that they're far off. The cap savings aren't great, but cutting them before March 12 and I believe they owe him some amount, but after that, nothing more, I forgot the amount but I think it was between $5-7M which does hold some influence. 

Well, you really can't shop Cutler, because no team on the planet wants that contract. There's teams that would want Cutler for sure (Cleveland or Buffalo for example), but the guy's contract is pretty prohibitive for any team to take on.

 

I didn't mean that the two were definitely tied to each other, what I meant was that if you truly want to give Cutler one year to prove himself to John Fox, taking away one of his best weapons isn't exactly the best way to measure him.

 

I don't expect Marshall to be there in 2016 anyway, because his cap number would be too high and Jeffery needs a big contract.

[sflegend89]

What do you guys think of a trade like Haloti Ngata for Brandon Marshall?

 

Big time no. If we were to trade Ngata I want a draft pick in return. Not another big cap hit in Marshall who has a lot of concerns for that type of money. I've always been a big fan of Ngata but we have Brandon Williams and Jernigan who are studs, Ngata has become somewhat expendable with those guys on the roster and we could spend that money at CB, SS, WR, or TE where it would be put to better use.

[January J]

I agree that people should be a little more appreciative of Torrey. Be careful what you wish for- when we lose that ability to take the top off a defense and/or joe is struggling to build a report with his replacement it will be quite apparent that we weren't giving him enough credit. We know what we have now- it's not worth gambling on the unknown for players who already have raised red flags over a standup guy who's been a pillar in the bmore community. I know he got off to a slow start in 2014- but for some reason I see him coming out this year with that chip on his shoulder. Yes you would have hoped he would have already done that last year esp considering he was in a contract year; but I honestly think he feels like he has even more to prove now, that he has felt somewhat disrespected with all the talk about him never being a true #1, and particularly with the way the season ended. With that being said I think a good idea would be for us to offer him a 1 year deal, maybe 2, and give him one more shot to prove he can indeed be a number 1. Give him 7.5 and offer a few incentive bonuses so he will really be fighting for not only his reputation, but for more money and his chance to stay in the city he loves.

[Alaska Alaska!]

This thread may be coming to an end soon.....

 

 Aaron Wilson retweeted

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter  3m3 minutes ago

Bears have agreed to trade WR Brandon Marshall to the Jets pending a physical, per league source.

 

 

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[The Raven]

Please close this finally.

[Gordo52]

So damn depressing... Freaking Jets? Ugh

He'll be back on market in a year or two.

[redrum52]

And there this goes...

[MTRavensFan]

Oh, boy. He's gonna love playing with Geno.

[redrum52]

Oh, boy. He's gonna love playing with Geno.

Lmao. Jay Cutler to Geno Smith...

[Alaska Alaska!]

Oh, boy. He's gonna love playing with Geno.

Or with Mariota

[PurpleCity5]

I agree that people should be a little more appreciative of Torrey. Be careful what you wish for- when we lose that ability to take the top off a defense and/or joe is struggling to build a report with his replacement it will be quite apparent that we weren't giving him enough credit. We know what we have now- it's not worth gambling on the unknown for players who already have raised red flags over a standup guy who's been a pillar in the bmore community. I know he got off to a slow start in 2014- but for some reason I see him coming out this year with that chip on his shoulder. Yes you would have hoped he would have already done that last year esp considering he was in a contract year; but I honestly think he feels like he has even more to prove now, that he has felt somewhat disrespected with all the talk about him never being a true #1, and particularly with the way the season ended. With that being said I think a good idea would be for us to offer him a 1 year deal, maybe 2, and give him one more shot to prove he can indeed be a number 1. Give him 7.5 and offer a few incentive bonuses so he will really be fighting for not only his reputation, but for more money and his chance to stay in the city he loves.

Guys don't really favor one year deals unless they come off a major injury or they're tagged for more than they're worth. The thing is, Torrey knows he can get plenty of money in the market, especially if Cobb is resigned. The money he could demand may exceed our price. 

[PurpleCity5]

Ah dang it! Oh well.... 

[polynesian15]

Would it be realistic/possible to trade either Ngata or Webb for Marshall?

[BmoreBird22]

Would it be realistic/possible to trade either Ngata or Webb for Marshall?

Only if he purposely fails his physical so he doesn't become a Jet, then the Ravens could try to trade Ngata

[redrum52]

Only if he purposely fails his physical so he doesn't become a Jet, then the Ravens could try to trade Ngata

Not happening. Now he desnt have to travel to make his show now. Jets wr core now looks something fierce... Too bad the guy getting them the ball, reads defenses on a 3rd grade level.

[MTRavensFan]

I honestly think if Trestman (who knows him better than us) had believed in Marshall, we would have found a way to get it done. That we didn't kind of says something, that maybe we dodged a bullet.

 

Or maybe the FO is just serious about the off the field stuff, even if it is in the past.

[JustinB]

Marshall had a good career.  Don't count on on a good year with the jets

[757RavensFan]

Can we lock this now?

[BmoreBird22]

Aaron Wilson tweeted that the Ravens interest was only via FA, so it sounds like the Ravens had interest, but couldn't swallow that contract

[HazDaGeneral]

Supposedly......the jets gave up a 5th round pick for him.....we could of gave up that  

[HazDaGeneral]

Aaron Wilson tweeted that the Ravens interest was only via FA, so it sounds like the Ravens had interest, but couldn't swallow that contract

 

Yeah the cap figures was ridiculous 

[BmoreBird22]

Yeah the cap figures was ridiculous 

For a receiver of his caliber, it was reasonable for the Ravens, but not with their current cap

[Purple_City39]

Aaron Wilson tweeted that the Ravens interest was only via FA, so it sounds like the Ravens had interest, but couldn't swallow that contract

I disagree.  If they really did offer Torrey $7M a year then they could afford Marshall's contract.  He was set to make under $8M this year, next year, and $8.3M in 2017.  Those would have been the cap hits and that's doable for a legit #1.  Not to mention they could have given him a cheap 1 or 2 year extension to lower the cap numbers

 

I think more likely they didn't want to give up a draft pick.  

[jimjim5]

I disagree.  If they really did offer Torrey $7M a year then they could afford Marshall's contract.  He was set to make under $8M this year, next year, and $8.3M in 2017.  Those would have been the cap hits and that's doable for a legit #1.  Not to mention they could have given him a cheap 1 or 2 year extension to lower the cap numbers

 

I think more likely they didn't want to give up a draft pick.  

 

If that was the only consideration, that would be stupid!

[BmoreBird22]

I disagree.  If they really did offer Torrey $7M a year then they could afford Marshall's contract.  He was set to make under $8M this year, next year, and $8.3M in 2017.  Those would have been the cap hits and that's doable for a legit #1.  Not to mention they could have given him a cheap 1 or 2 year extension to lower the cap numbers

 

I think more likely they didn't want to give up a draft pick.  

Okay, then disagree with Aaron Wilson, who has sources. But, consider the fact that Torrey Smith may make $7 million per year on average, but if any other contracts are an indication, he's making $1 to $2 million in year one and probably having a cap hit of $4 to $5 million. That's a difference of about $2.8 to $3.8 million in terms of cap space and when you think about the Ravens currently having just over $5 million, that little amount makes a big difference.

[BmoreBird22]

If that was the only consideration, that would be stupid!

It definitely wasn't. The current contract definitely factored in.