Brady to Ravens: 'Study the rule book and figure it out'

[rmcjacket23]

that makes him part of the problem.

(Plus every one else's answers too )

He's already part of the problem whether he knew about it or not...

 

I'm more or less perplexed as to what fans perceive Brady responsibility to be in all of this...

 

Hypothetically, lets say it was Belichick's call to deflate the balls (again, not a fact, just hypthetical). He doesn't tell Tom that he does it, but Tom clearly "knows" based on the feel of the ball.

 

What, as a fan, is your expectation of Brady in that instance? Tell them to inflate the balls? Say nothing?

 

I'm not looking for the optimal answer, because we already know that in a high character, high moral world, everybody plays by the rules all the time and nobody breaks them.

 

I'm asking what fans think a realistic response to that situation is by Brady...

 

You could play the flipside of this also... you've got ex-QBs who say that basically only the QB knows about how much or little the balls are deflated, and that most coaches could simply care less.

 

So then what is Belichick's responsibility in this case? What if he legitimately doesn't know, or even if he does? What is the fans perceived responsibility in this case? Not ideal, realistic.

[FlocksGottaFeed]

It's very simple. Violations like deflating balls to gain an advantage are no different from any other rules violations. It needs to be met with stiff and immediate punishment (period). If Brady and fellow players who handled the deflated balls did not immediately report the violation to officials then they are going against the 'NFL Players Code of Ethics' which in turn is simply described as 'cheating'.

 

The Colts' player reported it immediately after the interception, so any player that touched those balls most likely knew and chose not to give-up their advantage.  As in the Era of 'Stickum' once it was banded in 1981, severe penalties and suspensions must result. 11 of 12 game balls leaves no questions.

 

Maybe the Patriots escape proper punishment from this once again, but that doesn't nullify the fact that they have been exposed for cheating. They are an embarrassment.

[rmcjacket23]

It's very simple. Violations like deflating balls to gain an advantage are no different from any other rules violations. It needs to be met with stiff and immediate punishment (period). If Brady and fellow players who handled the deflated balls did not immediately report the violation to officials then they are going against the 'NFL Players Code of Ethics' which in turn is simply described as 'cheating'.

 

The Colts' player reported it immediately after the interception, so any player that touched those balls most likely knew and chose not to give-up their advantage.  As in the Era of 'Stickum' once it was banded in 1981, severe penalties and suspensions must result. 11 of 12 game balls leaves no questions.

 

Maybe the Patriots escape proper punishment from this once again, but that doesn't nullify the fact that they have been exposed for cheating. They are an embarrassment.

Yeah, I'm not of the "must result" mindset.

 

You punish them within the boundaries of typical punishments for these cases. I don't view this as some out-of-control, league destroying, public outcry that requires overly excessive punishments.

[RavenFan67]

Can't help but wonder now if the Patriots were playing with underinflated footballs in their game against the Ravens. Was bitterly cold that day, too.

[loveravensfootball]

Can't help but wonder now if the Patriots were playing with underinflated footballs in their game against the Ravens. Was bitterly cold that day, too.

 

That's the problem with cheating or lying, once you're caught then no one will ever believe you again. And to be honest, even though we lost two 14 point leads, it'll be on people's minds because the Pats were just caught.  It's sad that a team with a Hall of Fame QB and Coach with arguably the best TE and a decent, if not good, defense that was vastly superior last Sunday felt the urge/need to cheat.

 

For the record, I don't believe that the deflated balls really had a huge effect on the game. The Colts looked miserable. It's just maddening to see a team that's very good cheat for no reason other than they can get away with it.

[Necx]

Can't help but wonder now if the Patriots were playing with underinflated footballs in their game against the Ravens. Was bitterly cold that day, too.

to quote sports illustated..

 

 

 

Ravens believe kicking balls were slightly under-inflated against Pats

Jason La Canfora reports that some Baltimore Ravens felt that the kicking balls used in the Divisional Round game versus the New England Patriots were under-inflated.

- Brendan Maloy

 

 

source http://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2015/01/21/colts-punter-patriots-deflated-balls-strawberry-margs-tweet

 

AP reporting 11 out of 12 pats footballs..

 

The NFL says its investigation into whether the New England Patriots used underinflated footballs in the AFC championship game is ongoing after a report Tuesday night claimed the league found 11 balls were not properly inflated.

[FlocksGottaFeed]

Yeah, I'm not of the "must result" mindset.

 

You punish them within the boundaries of typical punishments for these cases. I don't view this as some out-of-control, league destroying, public outcry that requires overly excessive punishments.

Typical punishments for cheating: Chicago Black Sox (banned), Pete Rose (Banned), BountyGate (1 year Suspensions), Coach Tripping Players (Season Suspension), etc.? What do you recommend?

 

Read 'The Code of Conduct' before you respond. Cheating in a championship game with millions of fans watching?

That's excessive cheating. Patriots AFC Champions 2014-15 (*).

[The Raven]

The more I read about this, the more I don't really care. Jason La Canfora talked to a few retired QBs who said this is a non-issue and that it shouldn't really matter that much. Patriots should be punished, but not harshly. This rule is a rule, but it's a pretty stupid one if you ask me. Why can't your quarterback inflate the balls to his preference? I guess that makes too much sense.

[ravensdfan]

The more I read about this, the more I don't really care. Jason La Canfora talked to a few retired QBs who said this is a non-issue and that it shouldn't really matter that much. Patriots should be punished, but not harshly. This rule is a rule, but it's a pretty stupid one if you ask me. Why can't your quarterback inflate the balls to his preference? I guess that makes too much sense.

The same reason pitchers can't doctor the balls in baseball. It's called rules and fairplay.

[1/28/01]

The more I read about this, the more I don't really care. Jason La Canfora talked to a few retired QBs who said this is a non-issue and that it shouldn't really matter that much. Patriots should be punished, but not harshly. This rule is a rule, but it's a pretty stupid one if you ask me. O Why can't your quarterback inflate the balls to his preference? I guess that makes too much sense.

Silly? Sure. Another black mark for a franchise now notorious for at least pushing the envelope, if not cheating? Absolutely!

[The Raven]

The same reason pitchers can't doctor the balls in baseball. It's called rules and fairplay.

 

Yes, I get that it's a rule. However, I don't believe in arbitrary rules just for the sake of having rules. I don't see a good reason why a QB can't choose how he wants his football.

 

Silly? Sure. Another black mark for a franchise now notorious for at least pushing the envelope, if not cheating? Absolutely!

 

Agreed. Just think it's a bad rule.

[Tank 92]

The more I read about this, the more I don't really care. Jason La Canfora talked to a few retired QBs who said this is a non-issue and that it shouldn't really matter that much. Patriots should be punished, but not harshly. This rule is a rule, but it's a pretty stupid one if you ask me. Why can't your quarterback inflate the balls to his preference? I guess that makes too much sense.

 

 

Not sure what you are reading, but they just had some former players(Jaworski, Sharpe, Rice, etc.) commenting on ESPN who had the complete opposite view and opinion. Some of what was mentioned concerning penalties stated they should deal with Belicheck just as they did with Sean Peyton.  Also mentioned were heavy fines, loss of first round pick, etc..

 

Why is it stupid that everyone play with the same ball? lol  What professional sport allows you to use a ball that plays to your desired specs? 

[The Raven]

Not sure what you are reading, but they just had some former players(Jaworski, Sharpe, Rice, etc.) commenting on ESPN who had the complete opposite view and opinion. Some of what was mentioned concerning penalties stated they should deal with Belicheck just as they did with Sean Peyton.  Also mentioned were heavy fines, loss of first round pick, etc..

 

Read this:

 

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/24982082/as-deflategate-unfolds-we-find-doctoring-nfl-footballs-is-nothing-new

[Tank 92]

Read this:

 

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/24982082/as-deflategate-unfolds-we-find-doctoring-nfl-footballs-is-nothing-new

 

 

Right.....It's been accepted practice and well within the rules to doctor balls for feel and adjust the pressure within the guidelines. Taking it 2 psi below the lower limit?  I'm sure it's happened, but doubt that it has been an "accepted" method of doctoring of the ball. 

[ravensdfan]

Just to lighten the mood...

 

Dunkin Donuts is a Patriots sponsor...

 

[ravensnick]

Typical punishments for cheating: Chicago Black Sox (banned), Pete Rose (Banned), BountyGate (1 year Suspensions), Coach Tripping Players (Season Suspension), etc.? What do you recommend?

 

Read 'The Code of Conduct' before you respond. Cheating in a championship game with millions of fans watching?

That's excessive cheating. Patriots AFC Champions 2014-15 (*).

This is getting ridiculous. Both Brad Johnson and Matt Leinart said this is a widespread thing. The Vikings and Panthers have both on tape illegally warmed balls. Aaron rodgers said he prefers his balls illegall overinflated. Nonissue, they dismantled the colts and only allowed 7 points. I say, team fine and Belilcheck fine at worst, most likely nothing. 

[ravensdfan]

This is getting ridiculous. Both Brad Johnson and Matt Leinart said this is a widespread thing. The Vikings and Panthers have both on tape illegally warmed balls. Aaron rodgers said he prefers his balls illegall overinflated. Nonissue, they dismantled the colts and only allowed 7 points. I say, team fine and Belilcheck fine at worst, most likely nothing. 

Whoa that isn't what was said. Rodgers never said he overinflated them beyond legal limits. What he said was that he liked the ball inflated, to the max, within the guidelines. Some are reading what they want to read and not what's there.

[FlocksGottaFeed]

Right.....It's been accepted practice and well within the rules to doctor balls for feel and adjust the pressure within the guidelines. Taking it 2 psi below the lower limit?  I'm sure it's happened, but doubt that it has been an "accepted" method of doctoring of the ball. 

Agreed. That particular segment came out before the '11 of 12' press release. They have since changed their tone. ESPN commentators and explayers are truly calling for stiff penalities, now.

[FlocksGottaFeed]

Just to lighten the mood...

 

Dunkin Donuts is a Patriots sponsor...

 

Not for long.

[ravensnick]

Whoa that isn't what was said. Rodgers never said he overinflated them beyond legal limits. What he said was that he liked the ball inflated, to the max, within the guidelines. Some are reading what they want to read and not what's there.

Leinart said on twitter that almost every QB does this. 

[Necx]

Just to lighten the mood...

 

Dunkin Donuts is a Patriots sponsor...

 

 

HAHA that's great...  Now i want a krispy Kreme doughnut.....

 

maybe send a box to belicheat and have that picture on the lid..

[FlocksGottaFeed]

This is getting ridiculous. Both Brad Johnson and Matt Leinart said this is a widespread thing. The Vikings and Panthers have both on tape illegally warmed balls. Aaron rodgers said he prefers his balls illegall overinflated. Nonissue, they dismantled the colts and only allowed 7 points. I say, team fine and Belilcheck fine at worst, most likely nothing. 

None of these commentors suggested that balls should be deflated and/or inflated beyong league specifications. They all were responding to team and player preferences only. Get real and "Study the Rule Book and Figure it Out".

[ravensnick]

None these commentors suggested that balls should be deflated and/or inflated beyong league specifications. They all were responding to team and player preferences only. Get real and "Study the Rule Book and Figure it Out".

Brad Johnson said he paid to have the game balls for the SB doctored.

[FlocksGottaFeed]

Brad Johnson said he paid to have the game balls for the SB doctored.

Get real and "Study the Rule Book and Figure it Out".

He said that in reference to 'rubbing, texturing, wearing for a better grip. Not to create an illegal rules violation. Go back and watch the report again or continue to post misinformation. It's up to you.

 

What I really want to know is - Do you think it's prefectly okay to cheat and ignore rules to your teams advantage?

[Pirate88]

The more I read about this, the more I don't really care. Jason La Canfora talked to a few retired QBs who said this is a non-issue and that it shouldn't really matter that much. Patriots should be punished, but not harshly. This rule is a rule, but it's a pretty stupid one if you ask me. Why can't your quarterback inflate the balls to his preference? I guess that makes too much sense.

You can't tamper with balls. Just like baseball, there's standards for balls and bats. Pitchers can change shape or hardness of the ball or doctor it up for better grips just like batters have BT standards.

Tampering with the ball FOR A BETTER GRIP IS THE KEY WORD HERE!! When you deflate a ball it allows for a better grip for the qb and anybody handling it as well as better grips for pump fakes and even better velocity. When the ball is softer it is easier to grip and catch as well. A SOFTER FOOTBALL ALLOWS IT TO CONTORT AND SHAPE ITSELF AROUND THE THROWERS RECEIVERS OR CARRIERS HANDS AND FOREARMS AS WELL AS SQUEEZED HARDER MAKING IT TOUGHER TO CAUSE A FUMBLE. Remember the end of the ravens patriots game in foxborogh?? Of course we all do. Remember the fumble that was overturned?? Had it not been overturned the Ravens practically had the game won. A more pumped up harder football would have not have been gripped as tightly by the RB. Like I said the ball when softer contorts and the structure of the ball slightly fits itself around the grip of the ball carrier. A harder football in that cold would have popped out much easier and much sooner than it did. Very likely would likely have popped out sooner as in before the runner was down. The patriots once had fumbling issues and their starting RB benched. Then Blount had fumbling probs as well. Likely one reason to cause Belicheat to deflate the footballs. Their WRs aren't known for great hands. Even Edelman whom has small hands last year was among league leaders in drops.

[Pirate88]

As far as punishment they are repeat offenders. I didn't think they ever stopped cheating after spygate. Just got sneakier and its not just spygate. Many teams report that during games theres interference when they radio in plays there's interference like somebody is trying to jam or listen in and hack the radio frequency. Several teams said this happens only with the patriots. Texans last season added some new and trick plays and somehow The patriots were waiting for it and knew the new play was coming. These dudes are always involved with something like this. I'm not saying a severe punishment but at least loss of a #1 or #2 draft pick.

[allblackraven]

Yeah, I'm not of the "must result" mindset.

 

You punish them within the boundaries of typical punishments for these cases. I don't view this as some out-of-control, league destroying, public outcry that requires overly excessive punishments.

 

I am not really sure what the appropriate punishment would be in this case.

 

However, the fact that just cannot be overlooked is that NE have rich history of pulling crap like this, are allowed to be smug about it and are laughing their way to the championship games year after year. It has to be stopped and it can't be stopped by slapping them on the hand.

 

Time for correction by prevention I think.

[Grapple Raven]

Just to lighten the mood...

 

Dunkin Donuts is a Patriots sponsor...

 

Omg, this brings back memories!  I used to buy these for all my cheerleaders and the football team to have after every away game. Ya gotta love a creme puff! lol

[PeRK82]

This Just in from a very creditable insider Source.

 

The PATRIOTS are doing an investigation that has similar parallels to the N.F.L.'s

 

The PATRIOTS are trying to get to the bottom of a serious issue.

Bill Belichick and Tom Brady are trying to figure out why the 12th football Was Not Deflated.

 

 Belicheats quote " We expect full cooperation with our Ball Boy, we expect for him to Do His Job Completely to the fullest , Its a complete team effort and there was no reason why the 12th ball in question was not touched " 

[Dr. Kelley]

Leinart said on twitter that almost every QB does this.

Sounds like its more likely he's trying to remind people that he is still a quarterback and stay relevant than anything else. His kurt warner name drop was precious, too