Brady to Ravens: 'Study the rule book and figure it out'

[PoeDinkum]

Read the link below to learn more about what John was referencing in his presser and of course, Tom Terrific's reaction.

 

http://www.csnne.com/blog/patriots-talk/brady-ravens-study-rule-book-and-figure-it-out?p=ya5nbcs&ocid=yahoo

 

Here's a link to a few Ravens' players reactions.

http://www.csnne.com/new-england-patriots/harbaugh-patriots-strange-formation-was-deception

 

This should get interesting over the next few days...

[darklight1216]

Maybe Baltimore will follow NE's lead and whine to league about it until they change the rules.

 

I hope the Seahawks humiliate him.

[K-Dog]

Yeah I expect this mess to get a bit messier.

[LiveFreeorDieARaven]

SMH I hope we see them next year. I guarantee we will be better and OBLITERATE them.

[ravensdfan]

Maybe Baltimore will follow NE's lead and whine to league about it until they change the rules

I hope the Seahawks humiliate him.

I hope the Colts/Broncos humiliate him. I don't even want him to sniff the SB this year now. Cheaters they were, cheaters they will always be. It's the only way they can win. Now proven.

[butters66]

The Colts complained to the NFL after we kept beating them.Now u cant breath on recievers. U remember the Colts. Pats didn't break any rules.If they change the rules next year it doesn't mean they cheated this year.It was a great game played by two great teams someone had to lose.

[darklight1216]

I hope the Colts/Broncos humiliate him. I don't even want him to sniff the SB this year now. Cheaters they were, cheaters they will always be. It's the only way they can win. Now proven.

I would like for that to happen as well, but I don't see it happening. There's no way that a dome team goes into Denver and Foxborough and wins both and Peyton Manning has never been one to count on in the post-season, especially against the Pats.

 

So I think the NFC is the best hope.

[PuRock]

We should be flattered.  Teams always try to "bend" the rules or use trick plays against us to gain even the slightest of competitive advantage because they know they struggle beating us without them.  Whether it be Manziel talking to a coach on the sideline, WR passes (Bengals, Pats), or (il)legal formations.  

 

It is a bit sad that the Pats had to result to Gimmicks to help themselves win.  Couldn't line up and just play football the way its meant to be played.  Had to find something to even confuse the refs.  

[AsianRice]

I would like for that to happen as well, but I don't see it happening. There's no way that a dome team goes into Denver and Foxborough and wins both and Peyton Manning has never been one to count on in the post-season, especially against the Pats.

 

So I think the NFC is the best hope.

In the AFC, we are the only team viewed a real threat to the NE in the playoff....

[butters66]

Maybe Baltimore will follow NE's lead and whine to league about it until they change the rules.

 

I hope the Seahawks humiliate him.

when do the Pats whine to the league?  Hitting Bradys knees? that's the Carson Palmer rule

[AsianRice]

We should be flattered.  Teams always try to "bend" the rules or use trick plays against us to gain even the slightest of competitive advantage because they know they struggle beating us without them.  Whether it be Manziel talking to a coach on the sideline, WR passes (Bengals, Pats), or (il)legal formations.  

 

It is a bit sad that the Pats had to result to Gimmicks to help themselves win.  Couldn't line up and just play football the way its meant to be played.  Had to find something to even confuse the refs.  

Imagined without the cheat, they will look embarrassed by us out there.... 

[Raving_Heathen]

I would like for that to happen as well, but I don't see it happening. There's no way that a dome team goes into Denver and Foxborough and wins both and Peyton Manning has never been one to count on in the post-season, especially against the Pats.

 

So I think the NFC is the best hope.

 

Yeah, Peyton and his old bones has no shot in NE. And I think the Colts are still a couple years away from being a legit threat in the playoffs. Right now, I still kind of see them as fodder like the Bengals.

 

I really don't see how the Pats beat the Seahawks though unless Russell Wilson has an absolute meltdown and spots them a ton of points.

[Raving_Heathen]

It is a bit sad that the Pats had to result to Gimmicks to help themselves win.  Couldn't line up and just play football the way its meant to be played.  Had to find something to even confuse the refs.  

 

With or without trick plays, our horrendous secondary and gassed front-7 wasn't stopping Brady in the 4th quarter.

[tolucaraven]

Ravens had this game, dont blame Brady.. The Ravens coaches choked on defensive scheme, substitutions, missed tackles and one really stupid pass by Flacco..They blew it. No excuses. The let two 14 point leads slip away in the playoffs... an NFL first, only the Ravens do that.

[allblackraven]

We'll see him next year.

 

And it will hurt more than AFC title game 2012. Might be in Baltimore, too.

[playlikeawhat]

I am probably one of several members who troll Spygate and Bill Belichick's fraudulent legacy the hardest.  However, I'm not willing to assume a coach recently cheated just because they have a history of it.  After tonight's game Bill Belichick finds himself on the receiving end of allegations regarding illegal tactics once again.  Looking back, do you guys see what John saw?  If not, what did you see?

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000456365/article/harbaugh-patriots-substitutions-deceptive-illegal

[ravensdfan]

oh I definitely saw it and I even commented about it to my friend. I'd already seen the refs stop games so that the defense had ample time to make adjustments when the offense made adjustments.

didn't seem right to me that their guys could just lift a finger to declare ineligible and then snap the ball. might not be technically illegal - but definitely not in the spirit of the rules. another cheat because the pats can't win honest.

[The Raven]

This is not cheating. It's not outside the rules. 

[Tiz]

I understand what John is say but let's be honest hear. If none of use have read the rule book to attempt to decipher it are we truly in a position to say its legal or not. Its really in that gray area where th nfl will have to clarify this offseason.

[ravensdfan]

This is not cheating. It's not outside the rules. 

the refs stopped it after harbs complained. the defense by RULE is supposed to be allowed ample time to know ineligible/eligible receivers. that is definitely in the rules. if it was so legal, the refs would not have put a stop to it.

 

From the rulebook about substitutions about the intent of rules regarding substitutions:

"The intent of the rule is to prevent teams from using simulated substitutions to confuse an opponent"

 

Soooo....it is in violation of the very stated spirit of the rules.

[PuRock]

I stated this in the vent thread. But what John said was taken a bit out of context.  

 

What the Pats were doing was legal but the Ravens weren't being notified in a timely fashion.  It was up to the refs to enforce the rule, but they weren't which was unfair to us.  The Pats were playing within the boundary of the rules but the snap should've been halted to announce the ineligible receiver.  

 

Instead the refs were pointing to them as Brady was about to snap the ball.

[ravensdfan]

And it further says this:

"

An offensive player wearing the number of an ineligibl

e pass receiver (50-79 and 90-99) is permitted

to line up in the position of an eligible pass recei

ver (1-49 and 80-89), and an offensive player wearing

the

number of an eligible pass receiver is permitted to lin

e up in the position of an ineligible pass receiver,

provided that he immediately reports the change in his

eligibility status to the Referee, who will inform thedefensive team.

He must participate in such eligible or ineligible position as long as he is continuously in the game, but prior to

each play he must again report his status to the Referee, who will inform the defensive team. The game  clock shall not be stopped, and the ball shall not be put in play until the Referee takes his normal position.

 

I don't know, looking pretty illegal so far to me.

[playlikeawhat]

I stated this in the vent thread. But what John said was taken a bit out of context.  

 

What the Pats were doing was legal but the Ravens weren't being notified in a timely fashion.  It was up to the refs to enforce the rule, but they weren't which was unfair to us.  The Pats were playing within the boundary of the rules but the snap should've been halted to announce the ineligible receiver.  

 

Instead the refs were pointing to them as Brady was about to snap the ball.

Between this and last week's Cowboys game it seems as if the refs are going out of their way to damage their reputation lol.

[Tiz]

And it further says this:

"

An offensive player wearing the number of an ineligibl

e pass receiver (50-79 and 90-99) is permitted

to line up in the position of an eligible pass recei

ver (1-49 and 80-89), and an offensive player wearing

the

number of an eligible pass receiver is permitted to lin

e up in the position of an ineligible pass receiver,

provided that he immediately reports the change in his

eligibility status to the Referee, who will inform thedefensive team.

He must participate in such eligible or ineligible position as long as he is continuously in the game, but prior to

each play he must again report his status to the Referee, who will inform the defensive team. The game  clock shall not be stopped, and the ball shall not be put in play until the Referee takes his normal position.

 

I don't know, looking pretty illegal so far to me.

If you read it again its talking about where they line up not simply about reporting them which is why the wr that was reporting as intelligible still lined up at wr...

[JO_75]

oh I definitely saw it and I even commented about it to my friend. I'd already seen the refs stop games so that the defense had ample time to make adjustments when the offense made adjustments.

didn't seem right to me that their guys could just lift a finger to declare ineligible and then snap the ball. might not be technically illegal - but definitely not in the spirit of the rules. another cheat because the pats can't win honest.

 

*Cough* Titans game *Cough.

 

Wonder why the ref didn't stop the Patriots to let us substitute the way he completely stopped us from running a play against the Titans, even though we didn't even substitute or anything on that play!

[darklight1216]

This might be what's called "gamesmanship."

[hawkz85]

and goodell was in the stands clapping his stupid hands. had it been the other way around goodell would have been on that field real quick. dont worry raven fans that crap wont work with my seahawks. was it cheap or dirty idk. it was the patriot way. they had to do something because what they were doing wasnt working. you have to be a real piece of garbage to dive deep into the rule book like that to pull that off thats all i am saying. i can see harbs point. no one else has to do that to win a game.i never seen anything like that. i was like huh. goodell the refs and the pats probably had a sleepover and cooked that one up.

[JO_75]

Whatever the Patriots did, they did it's over. Harbs has way more things to be mad about then this. Like Dean Pees and his obsession with corners playing 20 yards off. 

[ratedr]

Whatever the Patriots did, they did it's over. Harbs has way more things to be mad about then this. Like Dean Pees and his obsession with corners playing 20 yards off. 

Agreed. Take it to the league in private but whining about it seems bitter.

[Firstdown]

The team is required to report to the refs whether a player is eligible or ineligible.....this was clearly done. Yes, the formation was a bit odd, but protocol was followed. Im sure if the Ravens tried this, none of you would be complaining.