Dick LeBeau

[Sunday QB]

No way.

[Tiz]

Not sure why e pats game is being used as a reason to big up lebeau. Brady is 5-2 with 18tds and 3 ints vs Pittsburgh.

[Gordo52]

I hate seeing his name in Ravens talk. Feels weird.

[The Raven]

playing 15 yds off their man with the opposing team pretty much committed to dink & dunk. Yes he's the problem there.

 

Playing the run with a team that hasn't run the ball and isn't even pretending the're going to run the ball - yes he's the problem.

 

Zero adjustments throughout the entire game to like, anything at all. Yes he's the problem.

 

Bringing Doom & Suggs on the edge every single down when Brady is releasing in like 2 seconds, making them completely useless. Yes he's the problem.

 

You're being ridiculous. He's the problem for letting our pass rushers pass rush? How was he playing the run? What adjustments would you have made? Just stop

[AsianRice]

It's time for him to enjoy his retirement; dude is old......

 

Well, Pees not going anywhere and if he wants to go, we can find a young DC....

[CalvinSmoke]

I have nothing but respect for Lebeau, honestly. Glad to see him FINALLY getting out of our division lol 

[52N19]

finallly, the old guy retires. i don't see how the squealers don't take a step back after losing lebeau and their aging defense. his retiring is great news.

as for pees,he did as good as he could have with the talent he had. i believe the difference in the patriots game was jimmy smith and maybe even asa jackson. we've got the players we just need to get them off IR. they picked on melvin all day. he was 10 yards off the ball. he came from a practice squad what do you expect. he may be a great pickup with some coaching and experience but that game was jsut to big for him at this stage of his career.

[arnie_uk]

You're being ridiculous. He's the problem for letting our pass rushers pass rush? How was he playing the run? What adjustments would you have made? Just stop

I'm fairness they didn't attempt a run apart from a QB sneak in the second half, and no pass rush could touch brady with him getting the ball out so quick.

He didn't adjust atall to what they done in the second half. Try something, anything at all to stop them, just don't let them complete 5 yard pass after 5 yard pass and score.

I read somewhere brady only completed 8 passes of more than 20 yards in the air all year. Make them beat us deep, play near the LOS, drop linemen into coverage to try and get into those quick passing lanes, blitz up the middle to try and disrupt the timing.

Do anything at all!

I understand our back end is awful, probably worst in the league. But he seemed like he called a game where he didn't have a clue how to stop them, he was 2 steps behind. He called a scared tenatative game Imo.

The Pats bar the double pass done nothing special. They threw the ball 5 yards and used that as their running game as they have done all year, yet we didn't have an answer.

I mean what did he plan for all week? Did he think they'd go bombs away? Not a chance. The game plan had to be to stop those quick passes and make them go deep, not stop the deep pass and let them have those underneath throws.

His gameplan seemed back to front, and I understand protecting our back end, but I doing that we played to their Strength and let them win the way they wanted to. We didn't force them to attack us deep, which is excatly what they didn't want to do.

I mean look at brady trying to hit gronk deep to end the half, it was a horrible pass, it's just not their strength.

He basically called a game hr opposite of the way he should have. Like a team playing us game planning to stop the short passes and letting us throw deep. It's just back to front and poor coaching.

The Pats done nothing special on offense, we just got out coached. It's so disappointing after the GREAT game he called last week.

I'd rather have got beat by 5 50 yard bombs than the way we let them complete pass after pass after pass and walk into the EZ.

[Gtown Purple]

Pees is staying

[Sizzlebshu]

You wouldn't have beaten Brady that way.... SMH.... You couldn't cover everyone. They resorted to many different scenarios that couldn't be defended. Even Harbaugh said it in the presser.... Sneaky formations... substituting O linemen with receivers and making them ineligible , announcing it and then the quick snap in order to not allow the defense time to figure out who is who was just wrong, and the league will look at it.... that's why the penalty from the bench....

You have to force Brady to hold the.ball for more than .5 secs for the pass rush to have a chance

[Sizzlebshu]

I honestly didn't see Pees out there missing those tackles.... or on IR with the other 8 secondary players..... We were screened and slanted all night long... This is sad how folks do this. NONE OF US on these boards EVER thought we would make it this far, let alone into the postseason... I congratulate our entire team for everything they overcame this year...... it was amazing, given what we had to deal with.

Guys not executing does not justify poor scheme. Seriously Rex Ryan had no one and was able to keep Brady under control

[K-Dog]

You have to force Brady to hold the.ball for more than .5 secs for the pass rush to have a chance

Bingo

[Willbacker]

Hate to see him go. Now theres no more Dick's in the NFL

[ravensdfan]

You're being ridiculous. He's the problem for letting our pass rushers pass rush? How was he playing the run? What adjustments would you have made? Just stop

why are you bringing them on the edges when Brady is dinking and dunking and the ball is gone in 2 seconds? Why? Explain how that is helpful. It isn't. But see, that is all Pees knows. Rush rush rush. He lived and died by it in NE with that potent offense that almost always had a 2 score lead. If it doesn't work, he has nothing else. Exactly what happened with the Chargers.

 

why are you playing 10-15 yds off the receivers on 3rd and 3? why?

 

most importantly why are  you making zero adjustments at all? he tried nothing at all. he made no adjustments. if he had tried and failed - then there you go. but you don't just sit there twiddling your thumbs while they march down the field with almost essentially the exact same play over and over and over.

 

this same thread exists for every year Pees has been here. the arguments are all the same. unclutch, fall in 4th, can't hold a lead, no adjustments, vanilla playcalling. every single solitary season he's been here including the year we won the SB.

every year there is a new excuse for him. every year we give the defense our top picks. every year it is the same old failures.

there is only one constant there.

 

Instead of asking people what they would do, why don't you tell us what adjustments Pees made in the 2nd half. We'll wait.

[arnie_uk]

It's the not trying anything to stop the short pass game. If you make an adjustment to stop it and they still beat you, at least you tried, it's clearly on the player deficiencies then. But he didn't seem to have an answer for what amount to snap and throw 5 yards.

That should be bread and butter.

[ratedr]

LeBeau is a legend but he's past his prime.

[4everraven]

You're being ridiculous. He's the problem for letting our pass rushers pass rush? How was he playing the run? What adjustments would you have made? Just stop

Rush 3 at times, play complete press coverage at times, play complete man to man at times....IDK...mix all that up with the thing he was doing and other things an astute DC would think of.

[4everraven]

Pees is staying

You are right but just imagine...look what the change in OC did this year....if they changed DC for next year.

[PuRock]

Hate to see him go. Now theres no more Dick's in the NFL

 

Well we'll still have Brady & Bill. 

[4everraven]

I'm fairness they didn't attempt a run apart from a QB sneak in the second half, and no pass rush could touch brady with him getting the ball out so quick.

He didn't adjust atall to what they done in the second half. Try something, anything at all to stop them, just don't let them complete 5 yard pass after 5 yard pass and score.

I read somewhere brady only completed 8 passes of more than 20 yards in the air all year. Make them beat us deep, play near the LOS, drop linemen into coverage to try and get into those quick passing lanes, blitz up the middle to try and disrupt the timing.

Do anything at all!

I understand our back end is awful, probably worst in the league. But he seemed like he called a game where he didn't have a clue how to stop them, he was 2 steps behind. He called a scared tenatative game Imo.

The Pats bar the double pass done nothing special. They threw the ball 5 yards and used that as their running game as they have done all year, yet we didn't have an answer.

I mean what did he plan for all week? Did he think they'd go bombs away? Not a chance. The game plan had to be to stop those quick passes and make them go deep, not stop the deep pass and let them have those underneath throws.

His gameplan seemed back to front, and I understand protecting our back end, but I doing that we played to their Strength and let them win the way they wanted to. We didn't force them to attack us deep, which is excatly what they didn't want to do.

I mean look at brady trying to hit gronk deep to end the half, it was a horrible pass, it's just not their strength.

He basically called a game hr opposite of the way he should have. Like a team playing us game planning to stop the short passes and letting us throw deep. It's just back to front and poor coaching.

The Pats done nothing special on offense, we just got out coached. It's so disappointing after the GREAT game he called last week.

I'd rather have got beat by 5 50 yard bombs than the way we let them complete pass after pass after pass and walk into the EZ.

Excellent commentary here. Perfect explanation of the dreadfully wrong foundation Pees employed for his game plan against Brady. Can't help to think Pees was banking on red zone stops and NE just getting FGs like the Pittsburgh game. All I know is I wouldn't bank on any Pees defense. Unfortunately we are stuck with him which means never a 13-3, 12-4 season and number one seed in playoffs. His defense will always have us in that 9-7, 10-6 area.

[Gtown Purple]

Not every year that a head coach talent hits the market. Pees is a good DC. Just need to shore up a couple spots and get healthy.

 

 

You are right but just imagine...look what the change in OC did this year....if they changed DC for next year.

[The Mom Gene]

Guys not executing does not justify poor scheme. Seriously Rex Ryan had no one and was able to keep Brady under control

Rex beat him in the secondary.... 

[RavensFanMania]

You are right but just imagine...look what the change in OC did this year....if they changed DC for next year.

Pees did an excellent job with all the injuries this team had. Let's see what he can do next year with hopefully a healthier defense.

[RavensFanMania]

Pees is staying

The only way I would be for firing Dean Pees is if we can get Vic Fangio from the 49ers. One negative is that he wants to be a head coach and will be someday. Should be already and may be hired by the 9ers in a few days. Dean Pees on the other hand is a good defensive mind and doesn't have hc aspirations. Yes he's 65, but that is only a number and not that old by NFL standards anymore.

[Tiz]

Rex beat him in the secondary....

Some of the posts regarding this reminds me of what was said about baltimore after the second Pitt game. It's as if people forget the teams play more than once.

Brady had 3tds and 0 ints the first match up with nyj this year. He has had some good games against Rex and nyj. But because brady had a good game against us most recently people will downplay Nyj's issues vs New England and accentuate ours.

[ravensdfan]

Pees did an excellent job with all the injuries this team had. Let's see what he can do next year with hopefully a healthier defense.

You mean like he had all the other years he's been DC? And we've had the same complaints about our defense? The excuses get old.

[kiwi_raven]

there is only really one thing i hate about dean pees defensive schemes, he never uses press coverage,

[BSHU_Miami]

why are you bringing them on the edges when Brady is dinking and dunking and the ball is gone in 2 seconds? Why? Explain how that is helpful. It isn't. But see, that is all Pees knows. Rush rush rush. He lived and died by it in NE with that potent offense that almost always had a 2 score lead. If it doesn't work, he has nothing else. Exactly what happened with the Chargers.

why are you playing 10-15 yds off the receivers on 3rd and 3? why?

most importantly why are you making zero adjustments at all? he tried nothing at all. he made no adjustments. if he had tried and failed - then there you go. but you don't just sit there twiddling your thumbs while they march down the field with almost essentially the exact same play over and over and over.

this same thread exists for every year Pees has been here. the arguments are all the same. unclutch, fall in 4th, can't hold a lead, no adjustments, vanilla playcalling. every single solitary season he's been here including the year we won the SB.

every year there is a new excuse for him. every year we give the defense our top picks. every year it is the same old failures.

there is only one constant there.

Instead of asking people what they would do, why don't you tell us what adjustments Pees made in the 2nd half. We'll wait.

THANK YOU, it's been same old same old, we've been holding on too long, like we did Cam. We have WAY too much talent on defense for this to still be a problem now. Who's in Carolina's secondary, they have a beast front 7 just like us, not even including Greg Hardy, but their defense is better. With our front seven whoever is in the secondary shouldn't have as much emphasis at is now. Not like he's putting them in a position to succeed playing 10 yards off the WR anyway, And honestly Not putting Jerningan and McPhee in at DT, when they weren't running the ball was stupid pure stupidity. But whatever well never be a dominant defense again with Pees. Bend don't break. Well we bended completely backwards yesterday until we snapped in half. He needs to go... How long are we're going to wait? Is this the wake up call like the Kirk cousins game that got Cam fired? (Also a badly called game by Pees) we'll see.

I'm waiting to see Ozzie's end of the year presser

[The Raven]

I'm fairness they didn't attempt a run apart from a QB sneak in the second half, and no pass rush could touch brady with him getting the ball out so quick.

He didn't adjust atall to what they done in the second half. Try something, anything at all to stop them, just don't let them complete 5 yard pass after 5 yard pass and score.

I read somewhere brady only completed 8 passes of more than 20 yards in the air all year. Make them beat us deep, play near the LOS, drop linemen into coverage to try and get into those quick passing lanes, blitz up the middle to try and disrupt the timing.

Do anything at all!

I understand our back end is awful, probably worst in the league. But he seemed like he called a game where he didn't have a clue how to stop them, he was 2 steps behind. He called a scared tenatative game Imo.

The Pats bar the double pass done nothing special. They threw the ball 5 yards and used that as their running game as they have done all year, yet we didn't have an answer.

I mean what did he plan for all week? Did he think they'd go bombs away? Not a chance. The game plan had to be to stop those quick passes and make them go deep, not stop the deep pass and let them have those underneath throws.

His gameplan seemed back to front, and I understand protecting our back end, but I doing that we played to their Strength and let them win the way they wanted to. We didn't force them to attack us deep, which is excatly what they didn't want to do.

I mean look at brady trying to hit gronk deep to end the half, it was a horrible pass, it's just not their strength.

He basically called a game hr opposite of the way he should have. Like a team playing us game planning to stop the short passes and letting us throw deep. It's just back to front and poor coaching.

The Pats done nothing special on offense, we just got out coached. It's so disappointing after the GREAT game he called last week.

I'd rather have got beat by 5 50 yard bombs than the way we let them complete pass after pass after pass and walk into the EZ.

 

That's fair. I can agree to the coverages called being bad, but the other criticisms are ridiculous.

[The Raven]

why are you bringing them on the edges when Brady is dinking and dunking and the ball is gone in 2 seconds? Why? Explain how that is helpful. It isn't. But see, that is all Pees knows. Rush rush rush. He lived and died by it in NE with that potent offense that almost always had a 2 score lead. If it doesn't work, he has nothing else. Exactly what happened with the Chargers.

 

why are you playing 10-15 yds off the receivers on 3rd and 3? why?

 

most importantly why are  you making zero adjustments at all? he tried nothing at all. he made no adjustments. if he had tried and failed - then there you go. but you don't just sit there twiddling your thumbs while they march down the field with almost essentially the exact same play over and over and over.

 

this same thread exists for every year Pees has been here. the arguments are all the same. unclutch, fall in 4th, can't hold a lead, no adjustments, vanilla playcalling. every single solitary season he's been here including the year we won the SB.

every year there is a new excuse for him. every year we give the defense our top picks. every year it is the same old failures.

there is only one constant there.

 

Instead of asking people what they would do, why don't you tell us what adjustments Pees made in the 2nd half. We'll wait.

 

He actually played a lot more off man and zone in the second half, a bad adjustment, but an adjustment nonetheless. Pees tried holding them to field goals. It doesn't matter what coverage you call, because the Patriots will score anyway. Your best bet is holding him to field goals, and that's why Pees called the defense that he did.

 

And sorry, criticizing Pees for rushing Suggs and Doom is the dumbest thing I've ever read, especially since you know damn well you'd be complaining if they weren't rushing. Hypocrite. You complain every game that he's too conservative and now you're suggesting that he should have stopped sending our top pass rushers so we could put them in coverage? That's flat out idiotic.