Joe Flacco to the HoF?

[uhhhh]

This has been a fun reading thread.   Honestly, Flacco's issue getting into the HOF is no one gives him the respect he deserves.   Not even from Ravens fans and certainly not from Ravens media.   Mike Preston for example calls him nothing more than average.   This week someone finally called him out on it in his Q&A and his answer?  "We've spent years talking about Flacco, next question.".   This is a clown that can't even admit he's wrong.

 

Gil Brandt today wrote an article about trustworthy QB's in the playoffs and listed Tony FLIPPING Romo above Flacco.

 

So exactly how will he ever get what he needs from beatwriters to get into the HOF?  

 

We know he will be in the Ravens ROH, and for me that is enough.

 

Brandt is a Cowboys homer. He worked for them for many years. If you want a good laugh, you should read the article he wrote about every team's draft need and look at what he thinks the Ravens need. 

[PurpleLDN]

For comparison, Aikman got in on the strength of his 3 rings. If Joe continues to rack up postseason records and wins 1 or 2 more Lombardi's while the regular season stats stay the same he definitely gets in IMO.

[callahan09]

This has been a fun reading thread.   Honestly, Flacco's issue getting into the HOF is no one gives him the respect he deserves.   Not even from Ravens fans and certainly not from Ravens media.   Mike Preston for example calls him nothing more than average.   This week someone finally called him out on it in his Q&A and his answer?  "We've spent years talking about Flacco, next question.".   This is a clown that can't even admit he's wrong.

 

Gil Brandt today wrote an article about trustworthy QB's in the playoffs and listed Tony FLIPPING Romo above Flacco.

 

So exactly how will he ever get what he needs from beatwriters to get into the HOF?  

 

We know he will be in the Ravens ROH, and for me that is enough.

The Brandt article was very complimentary of Flacco.  He's a Dallas homer, so I don't care where he puts Romo, doesn't really mean much.

 

Personally, just because Flacco has been on a roll in the playoffs the past couple of seasons we made it to the dance, doesn't mean he's always going to be perfect.  He's had stinkers before, has a couple each regular season, and at any moment, he could have one in the post-season, and then what will people  be saying about him?

 

It's really something that comes along with this team, because the system is tough for Flacco to succeed in if we don't have a working run game and/or an offensive line doing its job, and/or the receivers slipping open quickly.  Sometimes we just get totally out-coached and Flacco gets put into these situations where he's getting hit every play and every play is disrupted and eventually it leads to phantom pressure and things all go to hell in a handbasket and we start seeing issues with accuracy or decision-making.  

 

It's not a knock on Flacco that this happens, I think personally it's more a knock on our coaching, because I've seen every QB in this league have the same thing happen to them... Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady, Drew Brees, all of them, it happens when your team is out-coached and your support system becomes ineffective, the QB starts to lose confidence in the play, in the line, in the receivers, and starts to force things, and that's when they look awful, lose their accuracy, make bad decisions, rush things out of impatience, etc.

 

We all know it happens to Flacco a couple times a season, it can really happen at any time, because I feel like historically, for whatever reason, our offense gets out-coached or out-played significantly more frequently than the other top contending teams each season.  So it can happen at any time, and it can (and probably at some point in the future, will) happen in the playoffs, unfortunately.

 

When it happens, are people still going to think of Flacco as a playoff monster?  Or will they recognize that things have to go right, coaching has to be effective, and Flacco has been fortunate that things have gone right for him a lot in the playoffs, and that sometimes stuff happens?  "Stuff happens" has happened to just about every QB at some point or another in the post-season in NFL history.  They've all had or will have bad games.  It's really just about making the most out of each opportunity when things go well, making sure you take advantage, and to this point, for the past few years, Flacco has done a wonderful job of taking advantage of the opportunities given to him in the playoffs, not making unforced mistakes.  I expect that to continue, because he IS a "big game QB" who doesn't let the moment get to him in the playoffs.  The problem is, one of these days, the opportunities aren't going to be there, we'll get out-coached, out-schemed, and out-played, and when that happens, Flacco is going to have a bad game, he just simply will.  But that doesn't mean he isn't still a good guy to have running your offense in the post-season.  It's all about the team putting him in a position to succeed, and if they do that, he'll take advantage FAR more often than not, and that's what makes him good.

[Kinda_Dante]

I don't know if anyone has mentioned this already, but I just read that Flacco is tied for the longest streak with a TD in his last 7 playoff games.

[StingerNLG]

Yes, that's what I said. Flacco at number 3, ahead of Brady and Manning. Pretty good as far as I'm concerned.

You are missing ny point. He listed Tony Romo as a better playoff quarterback to trust then Flacco. That has absolutely nothing to do with him being a head of Brady and Manning.

[beanfigger]

You are missing ny point. He listed Tony Romo as a better playoff quarterback to trust then Flacco. That has absolutely nothing to do with him being a head of Brady and Manning.

 

You really need to start seeing the bright side of things. Flacco ranked 3 there is the opposite of disrespect. He's ahead of two shoe-ins for the Hall of Fame on that list, and you're getting upset because a Cowboys fan ranked Romo as one of the merely two QBs ahead of him? You're guy is getting respect. It's hard to catch because we may not be used to it, but we have to learn to recognize it.

[StingerNLG]

You really need to start seeing the bright side of things. Flacco ranked 3 there is the opposite of disrespect. He's ahead of two shoe-ins for the Hall of Fame on that list, and you're getting upset because a Cowboys fan ranked Romo as one of the merely two QBs ahead of him? You're guy is getting respect. It's hard to catch because we may not be used to it, but we have to learn to recognize it.

It's all part of how the media looks at Flacco. Cowboy fan or no that is on NFL.com. If you can't see it, I can't show it to you any more.

I'm out.

[ravensnick]

Pretty sure you can only get into the HoF once, even if you went from player to coach or GM, unless you already know that and you're being facetious... 

Yeah, I knew. Wouldn't make sense to take a spot twice. A little tongue in cheek there.

[Greatness]

Oh yes, he's going to the Hall of Fame. Without question. You can't leave a World-Beater out of the Hall, bruh!

[musclesnab]

 A interesting read by Bill Simmons-http://grantland.com/the-triangle/the-tale-of-two-flaccos/

[Bltravens]

Lets not get ahead of ourselves here...

[1/28/01]

Lets not get ahead of ourselves here...

Too late.

[Alaska Alaska!]

Lets not get ahead of ourselves here...

LOL I know right?  I'll join in this discussion after Joe wins two more rings

[Bltravens]

LOL I know right?  I'll join in this discussion after Joe wins two more rings

That's really the only way he gets in.  Unless he goes off for the next 8 years in the regular season and wins an MVP or two.

[Gordo52]

That's really the only way he gets in. Unless he goes off for the next 8 years in the regular season and wins an MVP or two.

Which is possible... Look at the stats Big Ben put up this season. Brady didn't start throwing for 30+ TD's until his 7th season. (In which he threw 50). He also started having a way more efficient TD:INT ratio compared to his first 6 years in the league. Brees is also similar.

Point I'm trying to make is QB's can randomly start producing impressive stats (in Brady & Brees case, jaw dropping) later in their careers... Not everyone starts out like the Rodgers & Peyton... Although they spent a lot of time in a different era so that could have a lot to do with it.

[Raven07]

Very early, only his 7th year in the league and he hasn't distinguished himself as that top tier where anyone would be comfortable saying 'heck yeah, he's in' like Ray or Ed.

yes.this. I will say this though. not even 30 yet. 10-4 postseason record.  Superbowl Camp/MVP, Joe Montana like stats in 2012 ( 12 TD's, 0 ints)  the man turns it on in the postseason. the closest man to him at 10-4 is nearly 6 games behind him in the post season. since 2008.

BUT far too early. the man just broke the 25k mark for passing. and has no probowls ( which has something to do with BRady and manning still being around im sure)

he's clearly the better QB in the postseason and id take him over Brady, Manning any day