Joe Flacco to the HoF?

[BMORE_96]

I firmly believe Joe has HOF talent and has the pedigree in the postseason. he made strides towards a 30+td  and 4000+yard this season  with no stellar receiving talent. I think this team has elite players in every position exception except receiver(wr or te). Ozzie and the FO know this and have even expressed they want to find that reliable target. Once we find that guy(whether it be this year or next), Joe's numbers will be at that elite level and he will get in the HOF. If he doesn't get in, its on the FO for never developing the offense so Joe can succeed at an elite level.

[allblackraven]

This feels like about 5 years early. I'd say Joe is on his way if he keeps it up in postseason and takes another ring.

[hawkprey]

If Flacco doesn't get in, Harbaugh will. There's been too much success here. Someone has to get credit for it.

[flynismo]

because we don't get attention neither does Flacco.

I used to think that, but in our very brief history, we have already had three guys on our team who were considered by anyone with a pulse to have been one of the top three all time players at their respective positions (Ogden, Lewis and Reed). I don't think the fact we are small market matters in that regard, since the media acknowledges the greatness of those guys.

Not that I put Flacco on their level, but I do not understand the utter bias and ignorance displayed towards him -- from our own fans even!

[Ravens Rule123454321]

I'm sure everyone will down this but there is no way Flacco is a HOF player right now. He hasn't had a 4,000 yard season, no pro bowls. Has to have better stats before we start thinking about the Hall of Fame for Flacco. 

[Inqui]

If Flacco doesn't get in, Harbaugh will. There's been too much success here. Someone has to get credit for it.

Ozzie? 

[Kinda_Dante]

I used to think that, but in our very brief history, we have already had three guys on our team who were considered by anyone with a pulse to have been one of the top three all time players at their respective positions (Ogden, Lewis and Reed). I don't think the fact we are small market matters in that regard, since the media acknowledges the greatness of those guys.

Not that I put Flacco on their level, but I do not understand the utter bias and ignorance displayed towards him -- from our own fans even!

I guess i see your point but those guys were other worldly they changed the way you play their respective positions, it was impossible not to see how great they were. I think Deion Sanders made a great point the other day when he said no one thinks Flacco is elite because he's not flashy and that's why people refuse to acknowledge how good Flacco is. As far as us getting attention though just look at how many prime time games teams like the patriots and broncos get every year compared to us.

[ravensnick]

Ozzie? 

I guess Ozzie will have to go in twice then, as both a GM and a TE. Very impressive life he has had.

 

On a sidenote,

If we are gonna talk about HOF, I think Suggs is guaranteed a spot there now. Ngata and Yanda should both have very strong resumes by the end.

 

Joe certainly should have a compelling case by the end of his career.

[Kinda_Dante]

If we are gonna talk about HOF, I think Suggs is guaranteed a spot there now. Ngata and Yanda should both have very strong resumes by the end.

http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/topic/62152-is-suggs-a-hofer/

Suggs already has his own thread here.

[Guest I-70WestRaven]

Ozzie? 

I like his chances, when the time comes. Former player and architect of the Ravens success. It starts at the top! 

[Inqui]

I like his chances, when the time comes. Former player and architect of the Ravens success. It starts at the top! 

I believe he's already in as a TE, but with the talk of Modell being a possible late addition (gods be good he'd get inducted in the same year as Ray Lewis), Ozzie would deserve a similar spot.

[Tiz]

Farrrrr to early

This. This. This.

[hawkprey]

Ozzie? 

Ozzie would make the HOF as a GM, but remember, he drafted Flacco...

[Tiz]

Ozzie would make the HOF as a GM, but remember, he drafted Flacco...

And?

[Inqui]

And?

I think he was just saying Flacco would still get plenty of credit if our successful run continues. And I wouldn't be opposed to it, it's not like Ozzie and Joe making the HoF would be mutually exclusive.

[hawkprey]

And?

And Flacco is not very good, therefore it is a blemish on Ozzie's career (sarcastically speaking).

[callahan09]

I have fun discussing this stuff sometimes, but really, this kind of thing ought to wait until the season is over. If Flacco goes out and stinks up the joint on Saturday, threads like this become super thorny for fans. No good can come from it.

[Inqui]

I have fun discussing this stuff sometimes, but really, this kind of thing ought to wait until the season is over. If Flacco goes out and stinks up the joint on Saturday, threads like this become super thorny for fans. No good can come from it.

Agreed. I remember that "Are we the best team in the league?" thread a while ago, which came a few days before we lost to te Bengals if memory serves.

[Tiz]

And Flacco is not very good, therefore it is a blemish on Ozzie's career (sarcastically speaking).

Ozzie pick of flacco doesn't make or break Ozzie being a high quality gm. We've had lots of great early round picks and some not so great ones.

So again I was just wondering what you were attempting to say with the "Ozzie picked joe" comment

[Kinda_Dante]

Ozzie pick of flacco doesn't make or break Ozzie being a high quality gm. We've had lots of great early round picks and some not so great ones.

So again I was just wondering what you were attempting to say with the "Ozzie picked joe" comment

I think he was just being sarcastic.

[52520Andrew]

1. Way too early

2. Flacco Thread!!!!!

[Tiz]

I think he was just being sarcastic.

Yes his reply to my "and?" He was. It's in the post and quoted.

Anyways. No negative vibes going into the soon to be dismantling of the pats.

[StingerNLG]

This has been a fun reading thread.   Honestly, Flacco's issue getting into the HOF is no one gives him the respect he deserves.   Not even from Ravens fans and certainly not from Ravens media.   Mike Preston for example calls him nothing more than average.   This week someone finally called him out on it in his Q&A and his answer?  "We've spent years talking about Flacco, next question.".   This is a clown that can't even admit he's wrong.

 

Gil Brandt today wrote an article about trustworthy QB's in the playoffs and listed Tony FLIPPING Romo above Flacco.

 

So exactly how will he ever get what he needs from beatwriters to get into the HOF?  

 

We know he will be in the Ravens ROH, and for me that is enough.

[beanfigger]

This has been a fun reading thread. Honestly, Flacco's issue getting into the HOF is no one gives him the respect he deserves. Not even from Ravens fans and certainly not from Ravens media. Mike Preston for example calls him nothing more than average. This week someone finally called him out on it in his Q&A and his answer? "We've spent years talking about Flacco, next question.". This is a clown that can't even admit he's wrong.

Gil Brandt today wrote an article about trustworthy QB's in the playoffs and listed Tony FLIPPING Romo above Flacco.

So exactly how will he ever get what he needs from beatwriters to get into the HOF?

We know he will be in the Ravens ROH, and for me that is enough.

Are you really mad over Brandt's article? He listed Flacco third, above Tom Brady and Peyton Manning. I know he ranked Romo really high, but so was Flacco. I took that read as a compliment.

[StingerNLG]

Are you really mad over Brandt's article? He listed Flacco third, above Tom Brady and Peyton Manning. I know he ranked Romo really high, but so was Flacco. I took that read as a compliment.

 

Did he change the article since last time I read it?    Because he listed Aaron Rodgers #1, Tony Romo #2, Joe Flacco #3.

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000455103/article/aaron-rodgers-tony-romo-among-trustworthy-playoff-qbs

[beanfigger]

Did he change the article since last time I read it? Because he listed Aaron Rodgers #1, Tony Romo #2, Joe Flacco #3.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000455103/article/aaron-rodgers-tony-romo-among-trustworthy-playoff-qbs

Yes, that's what I said. Flacco at number 3, ahead of Brady and Manning. Pretty good as far as I'm concerned.

[ratedr]

If he plays 14 years and repeats his first 7 years exactly he has a good shot to make it.

 

Can't believe we're having this discussion, but it's honestly not as farfetched as it seems

[Ed_Reed_Pick_Six]

He probably needs another Super Bowl win, as well as some big passing regular seasons with 30 plus touchdowns. 

[BmoreBird22]

I guess Ozzie will have to go in twice then, as both a GM and a TE. Very impressive life he has had.

 

On a sidenote,

If we are gonna talk about HOF, I think Suggs is guaranteed a spot there now. Ngata and Yanda should both have very strong resumes by the end.

 

Joe certainly should have a compelling case by the end of his career.

 

 

I believe he's already in as a TE, but with the talk of Modell being a possible late addition (gods be good he'd get inducted in the same year as Ray Lewis), Ozzie would deserve a similar spot.

 

 

Ozzie would make the HOF as a GM, but remember, he drafted Flacco...

Pretty sure you can only get into the HoF once, even if you went from player to coach or GM, unless you already know that and you're being facetious... 

[BmoreBird22]

Okay, so, I'm sorry I didn't post this earlier (busy day), but the point of this was not to say that Flacco should get in if after just seven years. It was, as some have been talking about, to say is he trending that way and what does it take in the future?

I think there will possibly be three things that hurt him

 

1. He plays with some really great quarterbacks right now that could overshadow what he does. He plays with four guys considered locks for the HoF in Brady, Brees, Manning, and Rodgers, two guys as potential HoF'ers in Roethlisberger and Eli Manning, and a possible budding superstar in Andrew Luck. He's going to have to measure up to these guys, and while he does that and more in the postseason since having been in the league, voters are going to see he doesn't measure up, yet, in the regular season stat department. 

 

2. He just doesn't play in a pass happy offense. The one time he played in a pass happy offense, it was 2013 with no running game, a weak receiving corp, and a sieve for an offensive line. Every other year has been a run first, balanced offense that focuses on using the run as a way to finish off games. It's very frustrating at times for me to watch a game, like Cleveland or Miama, and see that Joe could really keep going off and playing well, but the Ravens decide to just run the ball and kill clock. I know this happens to other quarterbacks as well, but I don't think to nearly the degree that it happens to Flacco. Manning certainly pads his stats. If Joe were allowed to throw the ball just 50 times more per season, just three more times per game on average, with his current stats, he'd have broken 4,000 yards multiple times and had 30 touchdowns at least once. Outside of the anomaly that was 2013, 2014 was Joe's most pass happy year, barely above 550. A lot of the top quarterbacks throw at least 600 times, with some, like Stafford, even breaking 700 passing attempts. It's not that Joe can't put up the stats, it's that he plays in a run centered system. 

 

3. He's had some really weak receiving corps. I think it's sad when we consider the one dimensional Torrey Smith, 35 year old Steve Smith, two former UDFA's in Kamar Aiken and Torrey Smith, return specialist Jacoby Jones, the rookie Michael Campanaro, and Owen Daniels to be Joe's best ever receiving corp. Those are a bunch of two's and three's on most teams, if not four's. I mean, if we sent someone like Torrey to Denver or Green Bay, it's doubtful he sees the field very much at all, yet he's the number one receiver here in Baltimore. I remember when Aaron Rodgers had Jordy Nelson, James Jones, Randall Cobb, Donald Driver, and Jermichael Finley at one point. That's a ridiculous plethora of weapons. Hell, even right now with Peyton Manning having Sanders, Thomas, Thomas, and Welker is insane, not to mention having had Clark, Harrison, and Wayne for a good bit. Joe is doing quite a bit with a very limited group of talent. These guys that the Ravens have aren't bad, but they aren't nearly up to the level that these "HoF quarterbacks" have. 

 

I'm with the writer of the RSR article in saying that postseason stats should count more toward the HoF vote. What's the goal of every team? To win the Lombardi. How do you do that? Make the playoffs. How many teams make it? 12. So, basically, you're getting to play (usually) the most talented teams in the league for a chance to go to the biggest game of the year, something everyone wants? That should count WAY more than the regular season. This isn't even to mention how he's basically carried the offense in the past nine games. I didn't realize how poorly the protection held up Saturday, but I do trust McKusiak when he puts up those numbers about the ATS to throw and what not. Despite being sacked 28 times, despite having a very inconsistent run game (Rice averaged a fumble once roughly every 30 touches in the playoffs and Forsett rushed for -5 yards on 10 carries in the second half), despite having a weak receiving corp, relatively speaking, despite having an inconstant offensive line (averaging three sacks per game), he's tearing up the postseason. 

I don't know that he will get in, even if he does keep up this type of postseason prowess, but he sure as hell deserves it for all he is doing for this team in the playoffs. I don't know what it is about the playoffs, but Joe really turns it on in the playoffs.