Ed Reed For Mvp

[Shadowalker]

ohhhhh man

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[WACKO4FLACC0]

Not trying to say that Harbaugh hasnt done great things for this organization but seriously you think he is coach of the year? Dolphins went from 1-15 to 11-5 wining their division. That is just amazing.

As for Ed Reed for MVP... most likely not... defensive mvp definitely!

[codizzle]

[quote name='Shadowalker' post='114610' date='Dec 29 2008, 11:41 PM']ohhhhh man

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lol gotta love td for taking the heat on ed reed but wut the crap was lombardi saying at the end??? he is an idiot. "it's the ravens that will make a run in the playoff not ray lewis' ravens defense????"

he trying to say this aint ray ray's team? he dont know much about this team. ray is our leader. i understand what he was trying to say about harbs, but he didnt say it right. its true harbs did come in and establish order but he in no way "took" the team so to speak from ray

[Shadowalker]

[quote name='WACKO4FLACC0' post='114620' date='Dec 30 2008, 12:58 AM']Not trying to say that Harbaugh hasnt done great things for this organization but seriously you think he is coach of the year? Dolphins went from 1-15 to 11-5 wining their division. That is just amazing.

As for Ed Reed for MVP... most likely not... defensive mvp definitely![/quote]

All I have to say is Bill Parcels.

[Shawn`]

Yeah it was all Bill Parcels not Tony Soprano (sp?)

Again not taking anything away from Harby but I think Mike Smith deserves coach of the year. Last year the Falcons had NOTHING, no qb, no defense no nothing. To bring in Matt Ryan and develop him like they did, then bring Turner and people that compliment their defense. That deserves Coach of the year.

Harbaugh already had a defense when he came to Baltimore, he just needed to get an offense and put them together, which he did perfectly. It's splitting hairs when it comes to whoes the better coach between the 2, lets see who goes farther in the playoffs

[Canes21]

i dont know why everyone is so in love with the dolphins this year. their record is so misleading based off of their schedule. if we swapped schedules we may be looking at an undefeated season and id give them 7 wins tops. ya there a better team then last year but ill give that credit to bill parcells and the upgrade at qb. i mean they beat scrubs and caught a few teams off guard with their little wildcat. but it doesnt matter cuz there gunna get killed sunday cuz pennington throws floaters so all i gotta say is ed reed all dayyyyyyyy

[RavensFanMvp]

[quote name='Shawn`' post='114638' date='Dec 30 2008, 01:43 AM']Yeah it was all Bill Parcels not Tony Soprano (sp?)

Again not taking anything away from Harby but I think Mike Smith deserves coach of the year. Last year the Falcons had NOTHING, no qb, no defense no nothing. To bring in Matt Ryan and develop him like they did, then bring Turner and people that compliment their defense. That deserves Coach of the year.

Harbaugh already had a defense when he came to Baltimore, he just needed to get an offense and put them together, which he did perfectly. It's splitting hairs when it comes to whoes the better coach between the 2, lets see who goes farther in the playoffs [/quote]
And what exactly did Bill Parcels do again besides take credit for what Tony Sparano did? I ask all my friends this question when they say Parcels deserve all the credit for the dolphins turn around but no one can tell me specifically what he done. Is it bring in Pennington? Is it getting rid of Jason Taylor? The Dolphins have basiclly the same team from last year but Parcells derserve the credit for the team success? Please. Even though I think Harbargh is the better coach between the two, Sparano deserves it, to go from 1-15, to 11-5 is incredible. He deserves that award. And as far as MVp goes it's either should be P.Rivers, P.Manning, or E.Manning. Take your pick. And defensive player of the year should go to Ed Reed without a doubt.

[Canes21]

parcells most likely had alot to do with the draft and free agents acuired in the offseason. not to mention the trades to dallas for jason ferguson and anthony fasano, very important pieces to the offense and defense.

the only cool thing about sparano is that were both from the same town and whenever chris berman mentions pepe's pizza on espn im probly one of the few people who understand it lol.

[RIPPIN]

[quote name='codizzle' post='114628' date='Dec 30 2008, 01:05 AM']lol gotta love td for taking the heat on ed reed but wut the crap was lombardi saying at the end??? he is an idiot. "it's the ravens that will make a run in the playoff not ray lewis' ravens defense????"

he trying to say this aint ray ray's team? he dont know much about this team. ray is our leader. i understand what he was trying to say about harbs, but he didnt say it right. its true harbs did come in and establish order but he in no way "took" the team so to speak from ray[/quote]
hes not saying that that Harbaugh "took" the team from Ray, what he is saying is that now, unlike when we won the superbowl in 2000, its the ENTIRE Ravens team, not just the defense. This year, the Ravens finally have a good offense to correspond with the always dominant defense.

[macbrak]

Its easier to start over then to right a leaning ship. Harbaugh had to manage current players, put together a great team of coaches (including keeping Rex motivated when he could have been sore as heck with not getting the job). 85% of what the Dolphins did can be attributed to personnel decisions another 10% would be the play calling which is the OC.

By the "fixing the team" criteria Fins and Ravens would probably lose out to the Falcons.

[MKdave]

[quote name='RavensFanMvp' post='114656' date='Dec 30 2008, 07:13 AM']The Dolphins have basiclly the same team from last year but Parcells derserve the credit for the team success?[/quote]

No it's not. There are 29 new players on the roster, more than half the team. Parcells did a great job in Miami, why are you so intent on diminishing his credit?

[flynismo]

[quote name='macbrak' post='114667' date='Dec 30 2008, 05:30 AM']Its easier to start over then to right a leaning ship. Harbaugh had to manage current players, put together a great team of coaches (including keeping Rex motivated when he could have been sore as heck with not getting the job). 85% of what the Dolphins did can be attributed to personnel decisions another 10% would be the play calling which is the OC.

By the "fixing the team" criteria Fins and Ravens would probably lose out to the Falcons.[/quote]


Why? We basically did the exact same thing ATL did...we brought in new coaches, new QB, new RB's. Atlanta really didn't do anything much different than what we did.

[flynismo]

If I look at it without the purple goggles on, I have to say that Sparano wins it. 1-15 to 11-5 is astounding, especially after seeing player interviews yesterday where Dolphins players had given up on the franchise, and now they're excited and proud again.
Doesn't mean I think Sparano is a BETTER coach than Harbs, though.

[Ozzsome]

Lombardi knows the obvious (Harbaugh) but has no clue what it takes to play the game (Ryan)

And TD as a former player he knows what it takes to play the game

[Black&Purple]

[quote name='codizzle' post='114628' date='Dec 30 2008, 01:05 AM']lol gotta love td for taking the heat on ed reed but wut the crap was lombardi saying at the end??? he is an idiot. "it's the ravens that will make a run in the playoff not ray lewis' ravens defense????"

he trying to say this aint ray ray's team? he dont know much about this team. ray is our leader. i understand what he was trying to say about harbs, but he didnt say it right. its true harbs did come in and establish order but he in no way "took" the team so to speak from ray[/quote]

[quote name='RIPPIN' post='114666' date='Dec 30 2008, 04:49 AM']hes not saying that that Harbaugh "took" the team from Ray, what he is saying is that now, unlike when we won the superbowl in 2000, its the ENTIRE Ravens team, not just the defense. This year, the Ravens finally have a good offense to correspond with the always dominant defense.[/quote]

To re-iterate, and add onto what RIPPIN said, basically what they mean is this is not longer the Raven's vicious D, it's a overall team because we have an Offense now. We are THE BALTIMORE RAVENS, not Ray's Defense. I get what he said, and honestly I agree with it. John Harbaugh emphasized the TEAM, not one aspect of it, he didn't treat the defense better than the offense even though the defense is better. I get what he said, and I agreed with it. Yes we all know who the leader of the team is player wise, but we are now a TEAM.

[neepo13]

[quote name='WACKO4FLACC0' post='114620' date='Dec 30 2008, 12:58 AM']Not trying to say that Harbaugh hasnt done great things for this organization but seriously you think he is coach of the year? [b]Dolphins went from 1-15 to 11-5 wining their division. That is just amazing.[/b]

As for Ed Reed for MVP... most likely not... defensive mvp definitely![/quote]

It is but what team managed to lose to that 1-15 team? Thats right the Ravens.

[RavensFanMvp]

[quote name='MKdave' post='114669' date='Dec 30 2008, 05:51 AM']No it's not. There are 29 new players on the roster, more than half the team. Parcells did a great job in Miami, why are you so intent on diminishing his credit?[/quote]
Ok using your logic, lets say what you're saying is true and Parcels deserves all the credit. Well if that's the case, it didn't matter whether the ravens let Brian Billick go or not then, because Ozzie Newsome is the one who brought in the players this off season. Using your logic, John Harbarugh isn't the great coach we think he is. After all, Ozzie is the one who drafted Flacco and Rice. Ozzie is the one who trade for Washington, and signed Willie Anderson, Neal, Leonard, and Walker. Using your logic, the other 30 coaches in the league don't deserve the credit when their teams are successful either, because they aren't the ones who brought in the players right? So you're saying, Cam, Rex, and the rest of the Ravens coaching staff aren't good play callers and Ozzie is the main reason we're 11-5, not John Harbargh and the rest of the coaching staff right? I didn't think so. So how is Bill Parcels, the main reason the dolphins are successful and not Tony Sparano? See how dumb your logic sounds!

[MKdave]

[quote name='RavensFanMvp' post='114911' date='Dec 30 2008, 09:44 PM']Ok using your logic, lets say what you're saying is true and Parcels deserves [u]all[/u] the credit. [b]Well if that's the case, it didn't matter whether the ravens let Brian Billick go or not then, because Ozzie Newsome is the one who brought in the players this off season. Using your logic, John Harbarugh isn't the great coach we think he is. After all, Ozzie is the one who drafted Flacco and Rice. Ozzie is the one who trade for Washington, and signed Willie Anderson, Neal, Leonard, and Walker. Using your logic, the other 30 coaches in the league don't deserve the credit when their teams are successful either, because they aren't the ones who brought in the players right? So you're saying, Cam, Rex, and the rest of the Ravens coaching staff aren't good play callers and Ozzie is the main reason we're 11-5, not John Harbargh and the rest of the coaching staff right? I didn't think so. So how is Bill Parcels, the main reason the dolphins are successful and not Tony Sparano? See how dumb your logic sounds![/b][/quote]

The bold bit is the bit I didn't Read. The underlined bit is why. Where did I say he deserved all the credit? Nowhere. Learn to read. I said Parcells deserves credit. Which he does. To turn over half of an NFL team then win the next season is a remarkable achievement, for both Sparano and Parcells.

[RavensFanMvp]

[quote name='MKdave' post='114669' date='Dec 30 2008, 05:51 AM']No it's not. There are 29 new players on the roster, more than half the team. Parcells did a great job in Miami, why are you so intent on diminishing his credit?[/quote]


[quote name='MKdave' post='114916' date='Dec 30 2008, 04:54 PM']The bold bit is the bit I didn't Read. The underlined bit is why. Where did I say he deserved all the credit? Nowhere. Learn to read. I said Parcells deserves credit. Which he does. To turn over half of an NFL team then win the next season is a remarkable achievement, for both Sparano and Parcells.[/quote]
And I quote, "Parcells did a great job in Miami." Enough said.

[MKdave]

[quote name='RavensFanMvp' post='114919' date='Dec 30 2008, 10:00 PM']And I quote, "Parcells did a great job in Miami." Enough said.[/quote]

Enough said because you realize you're wrong, or enough said because you genuinely believe you've made a point in that post?

If the latter, what was it?

[neepo13]

[quote name='RavensFanMvp' post='114911' date='Dec 30 2008, 05:44 PM']Ok using your logic, lets say what you're saying is true and Parcels deserves all the credit. Well if that's the case, it didn't matter whether the ravens let Brian Billick go or not then, because Ozzie Newsome is the one who brought in the players this off season. Using your logic, John Harbarugh isn't the great coach we think he is. After all, Ozzie is the one who drafted Flacco and Rice. Ozzie is the one who trade for Washington, and signed Willie Anderson, Neal, Leonard, and Walker. Using your logic, the other 30 coaches in the league don't deserve the credit when their teams are successful either, because they aren't the ones who brought in the players right? So you're saying, Cam, Rex, and the rest of the Ravens coaching staff aren't good play callers and Ozzie is the main reason we're 11-5, not John Harbargh and the rest of the coaching staff right? I didn't think so. So how is Bill Parcels, the main reason the dolphins are successful and not Tony Sparano? See how dumb your logic sounds![/quote]

I think your taking what he said way out of context. Nobody is taking credit away from Sparano, he seems to be a very good coach but he does not deserve the bulk of the credit for turning the Dolphins around so drastically. Parcells is that guy. Parcells bought in the players, Parcells is the guy that hired Sparano, and Parcells is the guy that gave that entire organization an attitude adjustment. His decision making is what helped the Dolphins turn around the most, not just Sparano coaching. Sparano got the most out of his players and for that he deserves credit but Parcells is the brains behind the entire thing.

[RavensFanMvp]

[quote name='neepo13' post='114921' date='Dec 30 2008, 05:02 PM']I think your taking what he said way out of context. Nobody is taking credit away from Sparano, he seems to be a very good coach but he does not deserve the bulk of the credit for turning the Dolphins around so drastically. Parcells is that guy. Parcells bought in the players, Parcells is the guy that hired Sparano, and Parcells is the guy that gave that entire organization an attitude adjustment. His decision making is what helped the Dolphins turn around the most, not just Sparano coaching. Sparano got the most out of his players and for that he deserves credit but Parcells is the brains behind the entire thing.[/quote]
My point is, if you, the media and whoever else thinks that Parcels is the brains behind the dolphins success, that would means that every other GM or whoever brings in the coaches and players are the reason for that team success right? Ok, off the top of your head, name the other playoff teams GM. You can't do it can you? The media has everyone thinking that the dolphins are in the playoffs because of Parcels. Just like they have everyone thinking, the reason the falcons are in the playoffs is because of Matt Ryan. Well, why isn't the Falcons GM getting praised for what the falcons are doing? Could it be because the media is in love with Bill for what he's done as a coach and in some weird way the media and yourself still look as him as the coach of the dolphins? Or is it the fact that most people just talk out the side of their neck, and don't know what they are talking about. The things that make you go... Hmm.