Updated: Who Should Be Our Next OC? It's Trestman

[Gordo52]

I would love this but I just don't think Trestman will settle for QB coach. I think he wants an OC job.

Just thinking a little outside the box but I wonder if Todd Heap would consider coaching. I think he would make a great TE coach. He mentored Pitta/ Dickson when they were drafted despite knowing he was basically gone once they developed.

I'm sure he notices the Ravens are a coaching factory...Likely would become OC next year once/if Gase leaves.

I think the extra time on our staff would benefit him long term wise....Help him become a better head coach eventually. Only a Hope he feels the same.

[rmcjacket23]

Neither do I. But at the same time, wasn't his name in the mix of the head coaching carousel? What if he becomes our OC and ends up doing well? I would fear it would be another one-and-done OC. 

 

I fear the same thing.

Yes, he could very likely be one and done.

 

But as I've said before, if we are exclusively in the business of only hiring coaches that we think will stay for a long time, we very likely aren't hiring the best coach we can get, and our offense will likely suffer from it.

 

My general rule of thumb is... the coaches that stay with teams for a long time are often the coaches that you DON'T want to stay here for a long time, or your team simply isn't doing very well.

[757RavensFan]

Everything Im reading tells me even thought Gase is young he will be jumping ship for a HC job when he can.

 

I'm sure that's his ultimate goal. 

[757RavensFan]

What I find surprising is, there's no one currently on the coaching staff worthy of an interview for the OC position?  I know the QB and TE coach are going to DEN, but what about the WR or RB coach?  If they want the position, they at least deserve a shot at an interview.    

[rmcjacket23]

What I find surprising is, there's no one currently on the coaching staff worthy of an interview for the OC position?  I know the QB and TE coach are going to DEN, but what about the WR or RB coach?  If they want the position, they at least deserve a shot at an interview.    

Why do they deserve that though?

 

WR coach is Bobby Engram, he's been with the Ravens for one season, and only has two years coaching experience in the NFL.

 

Thomas Hammock is the RBs coach, and I believe this season was his first season as a coach in the NFL.

 

I mean in the end, for a coordinator job, you've usually got to have at least some sort of resume. I wouldn't say play-calling experience is a requirement, but at least some significant experience/tenure in the NFL or at least as an OC in college would likely be a requirement.

 

Frankly, of any of the internal OC candidates, Castillo and Ver Steeg are the only two with the "credentials" of sort ot even be considered, and it doesn't appear that they are being considered.

[redrum52]

Same.

And lets start a new topic, i hate this topic. The Tool is gone and he took everyone with him.What a P.O.S, ill be honest, i am pretty livid. Dream job or not. This is unreal.

The Pats dont have to deal with this, what are they doing to keep their Coaches. They are more successful then us , arnt they.

We have a Pats DC on our team and the earlier Pats teams were torn apart like hurt gazelles in African plains. Part of the problem with being a successful team.

People complain that this is Flacco's 4 OC, but really, no one liked Cam or Caldwell when they were here so why even complain about that?

I'd personally prefer a younger unknown at this point but we'll see.

Edited January 20, 2015 by redrum52

[RedFire]

Peyton Manning! Make a trade for him and let him backup Flacco/ coordinate the offense.

It would be legendary to have no offensive coordinator. Just Peyton Manning and Flacco coming up with stuff!

[The Mom Gene]

Did you see that he is actually interviewing tonight? Saw that we'd asked permission to interview and that Rapoport stated we plan to interview him "soon". 

Yes...  NFL Network stated first that it was in Phoenix....  but across the bottom bar it stated that it was in Baltimore.

[DomMcRaven]

Yes, he could very likely be one and done.

 

But as I've said before, if we are exclusively in the business of only hiring coaches that we think will stay for a long time, we very likely aren't hiring the best coach we can get, and our offense will likely suffer from it.

 

My general rule of thumb is... the coaches that stay with teams for a long time are often the coaches that you DON'T want to stay here for a long time, or your team simply isn't doing very well.

Good point. I'm at the point where I just want to get SOMEBODY (not named Jim Hostler though).

[757RavensFan]

Yes, he could very likely be one and done.

 

But as I've said before, if we are exclusively in the business of only hiring coaches that we think will stay for a long time, we very likely aren't hiring the best coach we can get, and our offense will likely suffer from it.

 

My general rule of thumb is... the coaches that stay with teams for a long time are often the coaches that you DON'T want to stay here for a long time, or your team simply isn't doing very well.

 

Or coaches who have no desire to be a HC, content in their assistant roles.  There are a few of them out there.

[JoeyFlex5]

I probably wasn't clear in the way I phrased it at first, but I'm in two minds about his system. I agree it sounds like he's great at reading the game and I think he'd give Joe the reigns in the kind of way even Gary Kubiak didn't, but the flip-side is that you have to wonder how much of his success in Denver came as the result of Peyton thriving in the system and having an insane group of receivers to throw to.

 

Which is probably the first question John Harbaugh will have, so I'd be comfortable deferring to the FO on this.

any OC that gives joe more creative control over the offense is fine with me, joe knows what works for him better than any OC knows, and he has shown time and time again that he performs better when given the freedom to call more shots. 

 

one thing that worries me about that style of offense though, is the tendency to let the play clock run out when we start calling audibles.. why does that happen to us so often? 

 

anyway though, like i said, let joe take that extra step, theres no reason he should be held back in any way, he is a very aggressive but still very smart qb and he can manage the game or completely take it over based on what he sees from the defense, no situation is ever too big for him, so if you think youre putting too much on his plate by telling him to go out there and run the show, you would be wrong. at least thats how i feel about it, i think joe is more than ready to take on that peyton role and step on the field and be a shot caller

[jazz1988]

What I find surprising is, there's no one currently on the coaching staff worthy of an interview for the OC position?  I know the QB and TE coach are going to DEN, but what about the WR or RB coach?  If they want the position, they at least deserve a shot at an interview.    

 

Our Wr and Rb coach just got here. I know it's only been a year but that's really asking too much to consider them as offensive coordinator candidates.

[rmcjacket23]

Or coaches who have no desire to be a HC, content in their assistant roles.  There are a few of them out there.

Very rare... I'd say most are either older (soon to be out of the league) or they just aren't HC material.

 

Even guys like LeBeau, who fans perceive as being with the Steelers for decades, took a HC gig with the Bengals about a decade ago.

 

Frankly, I'd have serious reservations about hiring people who are content with being assistant coaches...

[JoeyFlex5]

I don't disagree.

But I also don't think that with our culture and history - the DNA of the players we have - that any coach could come in and turn them soft. Yanda and Steve smith aren't gonna all the sudden start tip toeing around and playing patty cake.

Were a smashmouth team and we have to the leadership and culture in place for the players to demand that of themselves. It's the way things are run from the bottom of the top of the organization.

I just don't see any validity to the argument that Trestman shouldn't be considered. Even if he is soft or coaches in a soft manner that it would have any effect on our players.

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Off topic but something I just thought of. It's a regularly spoken concern that Joe having had 4 coordinators in as many years may stunt his growth and development especially being in his prime.

Playing devils advocate - could it possibly have a benefit that not many qbs get. He's learning many different schemes from some of the brightest offensive minds in the world. That diversity, these different perspectives, and philosophies joe is soaking up and applying to his game.

He's had success and shown growth across the board. I'd like some continuity and to see him settle in with someone, but there's got to be some benefit to knowing so many offenses and having that adaptability. He can take the positives from all of them and how each of them plays well against certain defenses in specific situations.

Once Joe hits the peak of his mental development which I don't think happens for most until 32 or so - he's gonna have such a wealth of offensive knowledge that not even many veteran coaches can boast to have.

He's overcome the detriment. Soon I think we start seeing serious dividends to the coaching carousel.

ive never looked at it like this, this is a very good point. he has been exposed to so much that if we were to hire a guy like gase who would give joe a lot of input on the offense and let him call all the pre-snap reads that he wants, he has such a wide variety of playstyles that he has experienced first hand, it could help keep the playbook fresh and new so that we dont become predictable.

[GrimCoconut]

I still hope we get Knapp as a QB coach with whoever comes here between Gase or Trestman or Marrone as OC. Trestman really seems like a fan-motivated request over the other two, who have some weight to the rumors considering that they're being reported by the media as options. I'm not sure how I feel about Marrone. Marrone did teach OL & TEs before, so maybe he would come here as a TE coach. That could be an all-star cast if we land Gase as OC, Marrone as TE coach, and Knapp as QB coach. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

I still hope we get Knapp as a QB coach with whoever comes here between Gase or Trestman or Marrone as OC. Trestman really seems like a fan-motivated request over the other two, who have some weight to the rumors considering that they're being reported by the media as options. I'm not sure how I feel about Marrone. Marrone did teach OL & TEs before, so maybe he would come here as a TE coach. That could be an all-star cast if we land Gase as OC, Marrone as TE coach, and Knapp as QB coach. 

 

That would be the best case scenario for sure. That's got my vote - get it done Harbs and Ozzie!

[GrimCoconut]

That would be the best case scenario for sure. That's got my vote - get it done Harbs and Ozzie!

I'd also like to take a look at Clancy Barone if he wants to come here to be our TE coach. He was the previous TE coach for the Broncos and helped develop Orange Julius. I'm not sure what his status is after all of this, but he might be a nice option as well. He's regarded as one of the best OL/TE coaches in the NFL. 

[Dubs]

Marrone just got scooped up by the Jags...I hope we are relatively quick with our decision here

[redlobster]

Marrone just got scooped up by the Jags...I hope we are relatively quick with our decision here

 

 

As offensive line coach and assistant head coach. Was hoping it was for O-Coordinator which would be a benefit to baltimore.

[RaineV1]

I'm warming up to the idea of Gase. Even before he was Denver's OC, he spent time as a WR's coach and a QB coach for them. Seems like a good history to have if you're going to be a long term OC. Also, while it's true Manning doesn't really need much of an OC, if Peyton is coming out and saying how great Gase is to work with and how smart he is with schemes, I'm willing to believe it.

Edited January 20, 2015 by RaineV1

[rafahash]

It would be awesome to have Trestman and Gase in the staff for 2015. I don't see it as possible, but a guy can only dream, right? I just hope we don't get stuck with Knapp, at least not as an OC. I would be ok with him as QBs coach, though.

Edited January 20, 2015 by rafahash

[PeRK82]

We have a Pats DC on our team and the earlier Pats teams were torn apart like hurt gazelles in African plains. Part of the problem with being a successful team.

People complain that this is Flacco's 4 OC, but really, no one liked Cam or Caldwell when they were here so why even complain about that?

I'd personally prefer a younger unknown at this point but we'll see.

You will never see me complain about Losing Cam or Caldwell. Ever.lol. It took forever for the RAVENS to cut ties with Cam.( i think everyone kinda gave up with hoping he would be fired honestly, when they did, to me it was completely out of left field)

 Im talking about Losing Coordinators as a Whole. Lets not forget all the D.C. we lose like clock work. As soon as they show an oz. of genius , they are gone.  I really did like KubiRaT. But i will be happy with Gase, i just hope Gase or who ever doesnt change the off. scheme  completely. I feel that it might be too much for our Offense to even have a chance this next season. Sorry but i really want the RAVENS to actually have a chance next season. When i thought Kubs. was going to be here next season, i was actually thinking S.B. or bust. I cant really say that now. It freaking SuCKS.

Who ever our O.C. will be, i just hope that they are really Aggressive on Offense. I feel that the PATS game should be a template for moving forward.

Edited January 20, 2015 by PeRK82

[PeRK82]

I'm warming up to the idea of Gase. Even before he was Denver's OC, he spent time as a WR's coach and a QB coach for them. Seems like a good history to have if you're going to be a long term OC. Also, while it's true Manning doesn't really need much of an OC, if Peyton is coming out and saying how great Gase is to work with and how smart he is with schemes, I'm willing to believe it.

Keep in mind Peyton said the exact samething about Caldwell. Thats the only thing that makes me a bit nervous. But im with you, im liking the idea about signing Gase. Who ever our O.C. will be, i just hope they are Aggressive. I really want them to Throw first to set up the Run, not Vice Versa, i feel that has hurt us in the past imo.

[lgcs27288]

Keep in mind Peyton said the exact samething about Caldwell. Thats the only thing that makes me a bit nervous. But im with you, im liking the idea about signing Gase. Who ever our O.C. will be, i just hope they are Aggressive. I really want them to Throw first to set up the Run, not Vice Versa, i feel that has hurt us in the past imo.

To be fair, at that point Caldwell had zero experience calling plays too.

[PeRK82]

To be fair, at that point Caldwell had zero experience calling plays too.

I agree , been saying that thee whole time he was here. 

Only experience he had in coaching was the Assi. H.C. before becoming the H.C. for the COLTS.

 

Imo, Caldwell had no clue what he was doing. And dare i say, Cam should have gotten more credit for the S.B. run than Caldwell.

[RaineV1]

Keep in mind Peyton said the exact samething about Caldwell. Thats the only thing that makes me a bit nervous. But im with you, im liking the idea about signing Gase. Who ever our O.C. will be, i just hope they are Aggressive. I really want them to Throw first to set up the Run, not Vice Versa, i feel that has hurt us in the past imo.

To be fair, Peyton largely spoke of Caldwell's ability as a QB coach when we first signed him for that job. And, he was a pretty good QB coach, just not as good of an OC. Granted, he probably would have done better if the Raven's o-line didn't implode that season.

[RaineV1]

I agree , been saying that thee whole time he was here. 

Only experience he had in coaching was the Assi. H.C. before becoming the H.C. for the COLTS.

 

Imo, Caldwell had no clue what he was doing. And dare i say, Cam should have gotten more credit for the S.B. run than Caldwell.

Okay, definitely can't agree with that part. No chance in hell we would have won that Superbow if Cam was still calling the plays.

[The Raven]

Looks like Marrone got hired by Jax to be the OL coach. Scratch one off the list.

[PeRK82]

Okay, definitely can't agree with that part. No chance in hell we would have won that Superbow if Cam was still calling the plays.

We won on Cams system, not Caldwell's.

Maybe the Play calling was diff. but no matter how you spin it, it was Cam's system 100%

[RaineV1]

One other potential bonus for hiring Gase, he might be fired up by getting fired despite having one of the highest scoring offenses in the NFL. He did his job well, and got fired. That could make him want to light up the league just as a screw you to Elway. He'll definitely have something to prove after that.