Updated: Who Should Be Our Next OC? It's Trestman

[Pirate88]

Read that NYT article a page or two back.   Apparently Peyton and Gase emailed and texted all week long about strategy and gameplanning and Manning loved having this guy with him.   Just because Manning may have called things at the line doesn't mean he didn't have Gase calling plays in from the side.  

 

Apparently his ability to read defenses and remember tendencies is insane.   Being an OC isn't just about calling plays on Sunday, and if Peyton trusts him that much to put his plan together, I'd have to think he is good.

I totally agree. One strategy to identiy talented coaching candidates is to look at who impresses the big named coaches and experienced elite QBs. When a Peyton Manning who doesn't like coaches meddling with his offense, looks for help, input, ideas and knowledge its evident the guy impresses him. When an elite veteran qb and big name coach looks up to somebody it means a great mind has been impressed. Pretty hard to impress smart peoplepeople, powerful people and geniuses. If Einstein or General MacArthur were impressed by somebody, I would want him on my side. You have to look deep sometimes. Experienced Big name successful coaches are careful not to let anybody know who impresses him.

[Maryland]

Remember the Ravens haven't gotten permission to interview Gase yet. Elway COULD screw us again..wouldn't put it past him.

Might want to call 'em us ASAP because they're probably about done with their interview lol.

[johnmike72]

Remember the Ravens haven't gotten permission to interview Gase yet. Elway COULD screw us again..wouldn't put it past him.

Gase is just finishing up his jumbo crab cake with Ozzie and co.

[Gordo52]

@Ravens_Examiner: From everything I've heard it appears to be Adam Gase's job to lose. #Ravens

[ravensdfan]

Remember the Ravens haven't gotten permission to interview Gase yet. Elway COULD screw us again..wouldn't put it past him.

It was reported that all the coaching staff was given permission to seek new employment. Gase has been taking interviews from other teams so don't see this as an issue.

[balfan23]

Well, I've said before that no one else in the league is angered by us losing Kubiak ... but actually, now that I think about it, there are potentially a number of teams that aren't happy about it and that would be the other teams currently trying to land an OC. Their competition just got real serious. 

 

Now, I've no idea whether or not we'll offer Gase a job, or if we do, whether he'll take it. But I know the fans in the Jags camp were very hopeful to be able to land Gase, but now the odds of that happening took a pretty decent sized hit. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

When Trestman had a QB that wasn't a complete failure his offense was near tops in the league and explosive.

We saw this year what McCown was. Couldn't keep his job over Glennon. His success the previous season in Chicago under Trestman has to be at least partially attributed to trestmans coaching and play-calling.

And if he can do that with a journey man, backup like McCown I'm at least mildly interested in seeing what he could do with someone like Flacco.

The comments about him being "soft" I just don't get. Players are soft, or play soft, you don't coach soft. And we have an established philosophy and style of play, Trestman no doubt would have to agree to cater his offense somewhat to what we do here in baltimore. I'm sure that conversation would take place in any interview, would he be willing to adapt to basing the offense to open the passing game off the run?

We have continuity in personnel. Flacco, the line, at least 2 rbs, FB, rb's coach, and Castillo were all here and learned kubiaks system. That's enough to keep me cautiously optimistic that the success of the run game can carry over. They all contributed to it's success - it's not like Kubiak went out and executed. He taught, they learned and then went out and did it. They hopefully retained enough of it to go out and do it again next year.

I'm more interested in someone who can get our passing game to take off. Someone with a scheme with spacing and timing concepts to get receivers open and our QB in rhythm early. Of Trestman can do that then im all for him.

[Alaska Alaska!]

Remember the Ravens haven't gotten permission to interview Gase yet. Elway COULD screw us again..wouldn't put it past him.

The interview is probably over right now. 

[Greatness]

When Trestman had a QB that wasn't a complete failure his offense was near tops in the league and explosive.

We saw this year what McCown was. Couldn't keep his job over Glennon. His success the previous season in Chicago under Trestman has to be at least partially attributed to trestmans coaching and play-calling.

And if he can do that with a journey man, backup like McCown I'm at least mildly interested in seeing what he could do with someone like Flacco.

The comments about him being "soft" I just don't get. Players are soft, or play soft, you don't coach soft. And we have an established philosophy and style of play, Trestman no doubt would have to agree to cater his offense somewhat to what we do here in baltimore. I'm sure that conversation would take place in any interview, would he be willing to adapt to basing the offense to open the passing game off the run?

We have continuity in personnel. Flacco, the line, at least 2 rbs, FB, rb's coach, and Castillo were all here and learned kubiaks system. That's enough to keep me cautiously optimistic that the success of the run game can carry over. They all contributed to it's success - it's not like Kubiak went out and executed. He taught, they learned and then went out and did it. They hopefully retained enough of it to go out and do it again next year.

I'm more interested in someone who can get our passing game to take off. Someone with a scheme with spacing and timing concepts to get receivers open and our QB in rhythm early. Of Trestman can do that then im all for him.

Take your hands off my keyboard and out of my mind right now!

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Yeah I agree. I have no problem with hiring hiim.

But there are plenty of viable questions, such as why the likes of Fox or Del Rio didn't take him with them to their new places. A lot of possible reasons for that, but its still worth pondering as part of the interview process.

Ultimately, gut feeling says we probably hire him in the next day or so.

Fair questions as I'm not sold on Gase either, but it's just as likely that Gase didn't want to go with Fox or Del Rio as it's been reported he was seeking HC opportunities himself. And when those didn't surface fox and del rio likely had filled their positions or maybe Gase is looking to detach himself from them to make a name for himself.

Maybe he they limited him in fully implementing his own system and he's seeking an opportunity to have full control of the offense. And Harbaugh has a reputation of letting coaches do what they do best, plus baltimore in general being a spring board into better opportunities elsewhere.

Just playing devils advocate a bit.

A question I have on Gase - any chance he'd be able to bring Denver's QB coach with him? Didn't he used to work under Kubiak and have familiarity with his offense? That'd be a bonus for sure.

Either way looks like Gase is the front runner. Brought him in right away.

I'd like to see them interview some other candidates, especially Trestman and Marrone. But unfortunately time isn't really on our side. With the number of OC vacancies right now we need to move and move fast.

[Static]

Everything Im reading tells me even thought Gase is young he will be jumping ship for a HC job when he can.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

I don't think Trestman will get another HC gig again. With McCown he was good. Not his fault Cutler was a moron. 

[The Raven]

When Trestman had a QB that wasn't a complete failure his offense was near tops in the league and explosive.

We saw this year what McCown was. Couldn't keep his job over Glennon. His success the previous season in Chicago under Trestman has to be at least partially attributed to trestmans coaching and play-calling.

And if he can do that with a journey man, backup like McCown I'm at least mildly interested in seeing what he could do with someone like Flacco.

The comments about him being "soft" I just don't get. Players are soft, or play soft, you don't coach soft. And we have an established philosophy and style of play, Trestman no doubt would have to agree to cater his offense somewhat to what we do here in baltimore. I'm sure that conversation would take place in any interview, would he be willing to adapt to basing the offense to open the passing game off the run?

We have continuity in personnel. Flacco, the line, at least 2 rbs, FB, rb's coach, and Castillo were all here and learned kubiaks system. That's enough to keep me cautiously optimistic that the success of the run game can carry over. They all contributed to it's success - it's not like Kubiak went out and executed. He taught, they learned and then went out and did it. They hopefully retained enough of it to go out and do it again next year.

I'm more interested in someone who can get our passing game to take off. Someone with a scheme with spacing and timing concepts to get receivers open and our QB in rhythm early. Of Trestman can do that then im all for him.

 

There's a difference. Having had different styled coaches for JV, varsity, and in college, I can tell you that some coaches are indeed soft, and other coaches are tough. 

[BSHU_Miami]

Can we try hiring Trestman as QB coach?

[The Raven]

Can we try hiring Trestman as QB coach?

 

This is something I could get behind, if we get a strong OC and if he's still available. I'd like Trestman in a role where he has less power but still has an influence over the passing game. He's a good QB coach, but I don't like him as anything more than that.

[PerpetuallyBored74]

Gase for OC.

Trestman for QB coach, who can step in as OC if Gase leaves for a HC job (or if Gase is fired because he sucks).

I have no idea for TE coach.

[Dewy101]

Damn. He might be the only one I can think of. Think even Corey Graham fell off this year, though I didn't watch him much.

Graham played better this year than be played 2 seasons with us. I think PFF had him as a top 10 CB this year

[RavensFanMania]

Gase is just finishing up his jumbo crab cake with Ozzie and co.

g&m

[Inqui]

Read that NYT article a page or two back.   Apparently Peyton and Gase emailed and texted all week long about strategy and gameplanning and Manning loved having this guy with him.   Just because Manning may have called things at the line doesn't mean he didn't have Gase calling plays in from the side.  

 

Apparently his ability to read defenses and remember tendencies is insane.   Being an OC isn't just about calling plays on Sunday, and if Peyton trusts him that much to put his plan together, I'd have to think he is good.

I probably wasn't clear in the way I phrased it at first, but I'm in two minds about his system. I agree it sounds like he's great at reading the game and I think he'd give Joe the reigns in the kind of way even Gary Kubiak didn't, but the flip-side is that you have to wonder how much of his success in Denver came as the result of Peyton thriving in the system and having an insane group of receivers to throw to.

 

Which is probably the first question John Harbaugh will have, so I'd be comfortable deferring to the FO on this.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

There's a difference. Having had different styled coaches for JV, varsity, and in college, I can tell you that some coaches are indeed soft, and other coaches are tough.

I don't disagree.

But I also don't think that with our culture and history - the DNA of the players we have - that any coach could come in and turn them soft. Yanda and Steve smith aren't gonna all the sudden start tip toeing around and playing patty cake.

Were a smashmouth team and we have to the leadership and culture in place for the players to demand that of themselves. It's the way things are run from the bottom of the top of the organization.

I just don't see any validity to the argument that Trestman shouldn't be considered. Even if he is soft or coaches in a soft manner that it would have any effect on our players.

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Off topic but something I just thought of. It's a regularly spoken concern that Joe having had 4 coordinators in as many years may stunt his growth and development especially being in his prime.

Playing devils advocate - could it possibly have a benefit that not many qbs get. He's learning many different schemes from some of the brightest offensive minds in the world. That diversity, these different perspectives, and philosophies joe is soaking up and applying to his game.

He's had success and shown growth across the board. I'd like some continuity and to see him settle in with someone, but there's got to be some benefit to knowing so many offenses and having that adaptability. He can take the positives from all of them and how each of them plays well against certain defenses in specific situations.

Once Joe hits the peak of his mental development which I don't think happens for most until 32 or so - he's gonna have such a wealth of offensive knowledge that not even many veteran coaches can boast to have.

He's overcome the detriment. Soon I think we start seeing serious dividends to the coaching carousel.

[balfan23]

Gase for OC.

Trestman for QB coach, who can step in as OC if Gase leaves for a HC job (or if Gase is fired because he sucks).

I have no idea for TE coach.

With so many OC positions currently open, I will be shocked if Trestman doesn't land one of them. I can't imagine he'd pass on an OC position anywhere to be QB coach here. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

With so many OC positions currently open, I will be shocked if Trestman doesn't land one of them. I can't imagine he'd pass on an OC position anywhere to be QB coach here.

Yea was just going to say the same.

With the high number of oc openings and low number of experienced candidates trestman shouldn't have any trouble getting his pick of the litter once gase is hired.

Gase, trestman, marrone and chud are the only experienced candidates I can think of.

[Bmoreazfan]

We still have people in house that understand Kubiaks system regardless of losing the majority of them. No way I want to see Juan Castillo promoted to OC but point is we can continue the system until we find the right guy. I don't know much about Gase besides Denver fans/media could care less about losing him. Does he know enough about Kubiaks style of west coast offense to continue to build off of what we have in place?

[Tenacious Faulker]

At this point I hope they pull out all the stops for Dennison to stay.  One caveat:  If Harbs thinks Pariani understands Kub's system better then Iet it be him and Kubiak can take Dennison with him.

 

The offense accomplished so much with this offensive system.  A fourth, new system just puts Joe & Co. back another year or more if the new system doesn't "take" in year one.

 

Trestman's offense could be closest to Kubiaks system sso its not a total redo.  If Gase was not going to be a head coach his offense would could be as successful as Kubiak's, BUT we need new faces in order to make it work.  That means Torrey, Forsett, and Daniels might not be back.

[Bmoreazfan]

I think Dennison is all but gone regardless of what we offer at this point. Seems like he would rather follow Kubiak then have his own identity which I can't fault him for if that's the way he wants it...

[PerpetuallyBored74]

With so many OC positions currently open, I will be shocked if Trestman doesn't land one of them. I can't imagine he'd pass on an OC position anywhere to be QB coach here. 

 

Yeah, good point.

Then I have no idea who we can get for QB coach who could step in at OC if Gase leaves or is fired.

Well, this is fine mess the Ravens have on their hands.

Thanks Peyton for choking again, you're the reason Fox got fired which set these wheels in motion (with an assist from Torrey misplaying the game clinching INT).

[DomMcRaven]

Yeah I agree. I have no problem with hiring hiim.

 

But there are plenty of viable questions, such as why the likes of Fox or Del Rio didn't take him with them to their new places. A lot of possible reasons for that, but its still worth pondering as part of the interview process.

 

Ultimately, gut feeling says we probably hire him in the next day or so.

Neither do I. But at the same time, wasn't his name in the mix of the head coaching carousel? What if he becomes our OC and ends up doing well? I would fear it would be another one-and-done OC. 

 

Everything Im reading tells me even thought Gase is young he will be jumping ship for a HC job when he can.

I fear the same thing.

[RaineV1]

The good thing that can come of Gase being hired though is that him and whoever the new QB coach is won't be a packaged deal, like Kubiak and Dennison were. So, if Gase does leave after a season or two, we could promote the new qb coach.

[Gordo52]

Gase for OC.

Trestman for QB coach, who can step in as OC if Gase leaves for a HC job (or if Gase is fired because he sucks).

I have no idea for TE coach.

My dream scenerio

[PurplePassion824]

Gase for OC.

Trestman for QB coach, who can step in as OC if Gase leaves for a HC job (or if Gase is fired because he sucks).

I have no idea for TE coach.

I would love this but I just don't think Trestman will settle for QB coach.  I think he wants an OC job.  

 

Just thinking a little outside the box but I wonder if Todd Heap would consider coaching.  I think he would make a great TE coach.  He mentored Pitta/ Dickson when they were drafted despite knowing he was basically gone once they developed.